Tuesday :: Aug 1, 2006

Pro-Israeli Qana Talking Points Fall Apart Today


by Steve

Thanks to a tip from reader Euzious and Laura Rozen’s fine War and Piece blog, and in a bit of redemption after a day-and-a-half of Israeli-coordinated counterattacks from trolls spewing right wing talking points in support of the IDF, it now turns out that the IDF’s justification for bombing Qana and the killings of dozens of women and children were lies. Haaretz reported today that as the government investigates what happened, the Air Force has changed its story:

It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.
The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.
The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike.

In other words, hitting that building was “in the plan”, and not done in response to a recent attack.

As for those right wing talking points about Hezbollah bringing the building down hours after the IDF attack, that appears to be a lie also:

The IDF account and those of survivors present contradictory versions of the Qana deaths. The IDF said that there is an unexplained gap of about seven hours between the IAF strike and the first report that the building had collapsed. Residents' accounts say only 10 minutes went by between the strike and the collapse.
The survivors say rescue teams arrived only in the morning, as night conditions made the rescue mission difficult. The Red Cross in Tyre received a call for help only in the morning, explaining their late arrival.
Sami Yazbek, chief of the Tyre department of the Red Cross, said his office received a call only at 7 A.M. The ambulances were further slowed by the bombed roads leading to Qana.
The media first heard of the bombing at 8 A.M. The foreign press quoted Lebanese sources explaining the late announcement, saying the electricity and phones in the village of Qana were almost entirely cut-off by IAF attacks.
[snip]
The IAF admits the village was struck three times between Saturday night and Sunday morning. Two bombs were dropped on the building in the first strike. Channel 10, however, said on Monday that the initial investigation shows the bombs did not immediately explode, and an explosion in the early morning caused the casualties.

In other words, you can’t trust a thing the IDF says, or any crap from the pro-Israeli right wing talking points. I want to remind you of the pushback we got here from some of these trolls who showed up to spew these talking points:

See Australia's newspaper, the Herald Sun. It shows Hizbullah rocket launchers exactly ADJACENT to apartment buildings. 150 rockets have been launched from Qana, all of which were aimed at and fell on Israeli civilians. To say that Israel cannot strike rocket launchers because they are hidden among Lebanese civilians, is to say that the lives of Lebanese civilians is more important than the lives of Israeli civilians. Israel is obligated to protect its civilians -- the problem is not Israel, but Hizbullah placing ITS civilians intentionally in the line of fire.
Posted by Lenore at July 31, 2006 06:58 AM

And this:

You people are so deluded. I can't believe I actually read here that Hezbollah only responded to Israel. It's been firing rockets into northern Israel for years, while Israel didn't fire a single one back. Where was your outrage about "proportionality" then? Hezbollah think of women and children as "shahids." They kept them there in that building while the "men" were out firing rockets from right next door to it.
Posted by BS meter at July 31, 2006 07:43 AM

And this:

Hi. I'm one of those GIYUS propaganda mobilization RSS feed people. Your refusal to recognize the implications of this war indicate that you really have no clue about the dynamics involved. A few small points first: The IAF do not conduct "random" bombing runs. The IAF wait until rockets are fired, and then go after the launchers. As it happens, the building in Qana that was bombed was actually a place where Hezbollah rocket launchers sheltered between volleys. The building was also struck ~7 hr before it collapsed. Also, IAF planes dropped leaflets there 48 hr previously warning the residents to leave. Qana is a known launch site for Katyushas that have hit - and killed - Jews in Nahariya, Tzefat, and Tveriyah, and Arabs in Nazareth, just as Tyre is a known launch site for missile volleys that have hit - and killed - Jews in Haifa. Last, the IAF had NO KNOWLEDGE of civilians taking refuge in the apartment building that was hit.
Posted by Jay Shayevitz at July 31, 2006 08:37 AM

And this classic from John:

Israel should not appologize nor should the US. We should continue mass bombings. When and only when the radical Arabs and Muslims decide to fight by following the Geneva convention should we begin to even care about who dies. Women and children? So what! Their husband or father was out firing rockets so they are legit targets. TO win a war you destroy the opposition. This means the population. If they don't want to die then surrender.
All you libs are the same. Just a bunch of crybabies who only want to see the US and Israel punished. Not once in this article was it mentioned that the enemy hides near these houses. They refuse towear uniforms and hide behind a child. And since when should grown woem be spared anyway? They pull triggers and wear suicide bomb vests. When they surrender then we should stop.
And by the way, cut the satan, hell and other religious crap. Since when do you belive in God or religion anyway? You would be the first person to prevent me from saying God in a school yet you bring it up when you want.
If it is the US and Israel against the world then I hope you leave to join the enemy. We are in WW3 and you better realize this or you'll end up dead.
Posted by John at July 31, 2006 11:07 AM
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