If it weren't so infuriating, it would be heartbreaking. Well, it's both.
Posted by Sharkbabe at April 29, 2007 02:10 PMN, Mry, w cn nt ly S nsnty, crp hgmny nd t's Gdlssnss, pn lttl Bsh ln, s w r LL t blm fr th ttl dstrctn f r cltrl vls fr th lst 100 yrs.
W r hv bcm s Gdlss, tht Sdm lks lk smthng cls t hvn. W nvd thr cntrs, vrtly r cvrtly, nd kll ppl fr thr rw mtrls nd lbr. W r th tr trrrsts; w hv trtrd ppl fr th pst 50 yrs, nd nw trtr pnly. Th pwr lt hv rtnly nd systmtclly dstryd tr Chrstnty, dctn, fmly, th scl stts f wmn, nd th chn f cmmnd s dcttd by Chrst.
W hv bcm s vl, tht th rght wng sml's, pgn s thy r, r fr clsr t th trth f Chrst. W trtr, w hmsxl, w kll r nbrn, w tk wy ll dscpln frm dctrs, w dlz vlnc nd sxl ctvty mng th nmrrd, w gnr Chrst nd th Bbl, w llw wmn t hv thrty vr mn, w mk r mn s fft s r Gdlss wmn, w mk t mpssbl fr r chldrn t mtr d t th dlztn f dvrc; th lst f pgn trcts cn nly b clmntd by pntng t th pr rwlln dbl spk tht w cn nvd thr cntrs, nd CLL THM TRRRSTS. r rhd nt-Chrst vtrs nt nly gnr th trth, bt lv th ls, dct nd dstrtn f th trth.
Dd y xpct m t tll y wht y wntd t hr? Wll, tht's wht y TV s fr.
[Editor: ignore=off]Hi Mary,
I wish what you said was not true, but it most certainly is. Can you imagine why the inmates at Gitmo come out more upset than when they went in? Jeez, I wonder. And why 95% of Middle East is angry with the US? Gawd only knows. Or Dickie Boy.
Posted by tempus at April 29, 2007 02:43 PMFear not, God is coming May 5th.
It must be true this time because Walmart has a special on Ascension Robes.
Posted by TIKI AL at April 29, 2007 03:00 PMwe are ALL to blame for the total destruction of our cultural values for the last 100 years.
Whaddaya mean "we?" Besides, in the US, we've gone from lynching blacks to disenfranchising them, so we've made some progress. Couple hundred years ago, people like you hung women as witches and treated them like chattal - now we only pay them 70% of what a man makes in the workplace; that's progress.
Still, you can take heart in the misogynistic SCOTUS now telling us that, in certain circumstances, women can't be trusted to make our own decisions about our medical care, which in some cases will inevitably lead to death because cultists like you can't deal with a woman unless her throat's firmly under your bootheel.
Sorry, but the middle ages are long gone, they ain't never coming back. Your fire and brimstone may have worked on the illiterate masses a couple centuries ago, but our culture has moved beyond heeding the threats of a vengeful priesthood and the superstitious prattle of their minions. Especially now that we can all read and interpret for ourselves the bible you flail on a streetcorner like an extra in a Monty Python flick.
Today's culture hasn't created new "evil," it's just stopped allowing the religious streetcorner psychos like yourself, scout, to define what "evil" is. Humans have always been violent, and sexually diverse, and altruistic, and conniving and adaptable and optimistic, etc. The only difference between human nature in the beginning and now, is the amount of shame the populace allows dipshits like you to convince us to feel. And it pisses you off to realize: not much. Deal with it, Cotton Mather, your time is over. We've got more important things to discuss than your fetish for the olden days, mmmmkay?
Posted by iamcoyote at April 29, 2007 03:47 PMTiki, you are becoming very, very funny!
Posted by tempus at April 29, 2007 03:48 PMcyt, thr s zr sch thng s th gd ld dys, s sm f yr twstd pnts hv stns f trth, bt nt s y dpct, fr t s yr lk f nsnty tht s qt ncnt.
Why s t tht yr hmnst rlgn, ll spcts, hv n rgnlty? vry sngl Blshvk/Nz pnt f hmnsm hs bn thght f thsnds f yrs g, ncldng th dth f th nbrn. Thr s nthng nw ndr th sn, fr w wr ll brn vl nd d vl. Lk clsly nt th mrrr: tht s psychss.
Wht s wrs thn y? Hypcrt Chrstns. Thy, lk yr lk f dprvty, crt thr wn gspl, nd wllngly gnr th trth.
T th bv pnt nt my rgnl ssrtn bt mn\'s nhrnt vl, nd prhps y my ntllctlly grsp yr gnrnt fndtn f flshnss.
W r ll shrt tmrs, nd whn th nd cms, mst wll nt lk th trth f th mg n th mrrr pn sght.
[Editor: ignore=off]cyt, ls, dn't knw thng bt SCTS, bt d knw tht thy, jst frm glnng frm yr thght lns, r n vltn f Bblcl Lw.
Th bv s s bcs th rsn th nsnty prvls crss cltrs s bcs mn's vl s NT bng rstrnd by Chrst s n th pst. W r bng st p fr Jdgmnt. T fght pltclly gnst Bbyln s fghtng gnst Chrst.
Th wht s bng sprtd frm th chf.
Dp dwn, vry prnt tht clsly stds hr chld, prnt f tdy, knws tht th nd s sn, s t s rflctd n th vcnt dd ys f thr chldrn, mrrr f thr wn dd sls.
N mnt f tchnlgy wll sv s.
[Editor: ignore=off]scout, please lay off coyote. I am being very polite.
Posted by tempus at April 29, 2007 04:32 PMscout sez:
there is zero such thing as the good old days
But earlier he said:
we are ALL to blame for the total destruction of our cultural values for the last 100 years.
Which would lead one to believe you're hankering for the "cultural values" of at least 100 years ago. But I agree, there are no good old days to go back to. The worst is behind us as our culture evolves.
for it is your ilk of insanity that is quite ancient.
Yeah, the old fallback: "You're crazy to disagree with me." How... original.
Why is it that your humanist religion, all aspects, have no originality... Look closely into the mirror: that is psychosis.
And all this time I thought the guy in the mirror was Candyman. I'm glad it's only psychosis. I hate bees.
Tie the above point into my original assertion about man's inherent evil, and perhaps you may intellectually grasp your ignorant foundation of foolishness.
Nice riff on benditto's turf, if only you could be as brief and scarce as he is.
because man's evil is NOT being restrained by Christ as in the past.
And when, exactly, was "man's evil restrained by Christ?" 100 years ago? 200? In Jesus' time? I don't think so. Humans have always been consistently... human. The only thing different, as I said before, is how much shame people like you can convince the masses to feel about their own humanity in any given epoch, and how much penance they have to do to not feel guilty about the human things they do in their lives.
reflected in the vacant dead eyes of their children, a mirror of their own dead souls.
You know, I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm thinking that the reason you're not getting any converts here is your message is kind of a downer. Perhaps if you spiffed it up a bit, like the Catholic church announcing that the babies go right straight to heaven instead of the limbo they've been floating in for all these years.
Or you could hand out candy. Candy's good as long as you stay away from mirrors.
No amount of technology will save us.
No amount of whining will bring back a value system that never existed in the first place, either. But at least technology is entertaining. Whining's just... boring.
Posted by iamcoyote at April 29, 2007 05:39 PMcoyote, I miss you so much. Gawd I miss you.
Posted by tempus at April 29, 2007 06:45 PMtmp, d y rlly thnk tht cyt nds hlp t rg th 'mrts' f hr hmnstc rlgn? Rd crflly hr wrds, nd d blv tht y wll s tht t s bst fr th snd bx lg t btt t.
cyt, y r crrct bt yr hmn bsrvtn, s tht s th vry pnt. W ntr ths rlm wth twstd prcptn, nd w hv th blty t twst th trth t whtvr w wnt t t bcm. Ths hs bn gng n fr 13k yrs.
Chrst rstrns r vl s tht w wll NT dstry rslvs, s H hs Hs prgrm t nfld. vn th mst vl trsh tht wlks th rth wll ndrstnd tht tchnlgy/scnc hs bn sd t crt svrl dmnsns f kllng nd dstrctn. Hv y nt wndrd, fr nstnc, tht n 1907, mst ppl gt rnd wth hrss? Brly 100 yrs g.
Mn hs NT bcm smrtr. Bt n lss thn 100 yrs, w hv bcm by fr th mst dstrctv gnrtn f hmns t hv wlkd th plnt.
Th bv s jst mnr llstrtn tht Chrst rmvd fw mntl nhbtrs nblng s t sprl frthr n vl, nd n jst fw shrt yrs. Th bv rflcts thr spcts f th dstrctn f ll scl nstttns, lrdy frgmntd, ldng t th scl cnstrctn f psychss tht s s prvlnt tdy. nd, n tr rwlln styl, psychss f dstrctn lbld th ppst: 'lv.' W kll, t gv dmcrcy; w kll r bbs, t wrd slfshnss nd fls prd; w kll r crtcl thnkng v th crp mss md, nd cll ths frdm. Th lst f vl s ndlss, nd grwng fstr vry dy.
n mr thng, jckl, stp plyng th tmp crd. :) fl
[Editor: ignore=off]We enter this realm with twisted perception, and we have the ability to twist the truth to whatever we want it to become. This has been going on for 13k years.
And the emergence of Christianity falls right into that middle of that time period. Twisted before. Twisted afterward. And who's to say that Christ himself has not been twisted by even you scout to suit what YOU want him to be? Just one more episode in a twisted history of depravity.
Christ restrains our evil so that we will NOT destroy ourselves...
The above is just a minor illustration that Christ removed a few mental inhibitors enabling us to spiral further in evil, and in just a few short years.
I wish He'd make up his mind already. Or is He just as twisted as his creations. Or is it just your interpretation that is twisted? How can you trust your own perception scout?
Better yet, who's the creator and who's the creation?
Posted by snark at April 30, 2007 06:49 AMScout- you may or may not be aware of a growing movement around the world. It is comprised of people who have no use for your religion, or any religion for that matter. We identify ourselves as "non-religious", not atheist nor agnostic since those are labels bestowed upon us by the followers of religion, we are "non-religious". We are silent observers of what organized religion has done to the human society. We see the harm, violence, and sheer cruelty forced upon society through the ages by organized religion including the Crusades, the Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Northern Ireland, and Israel-Palestine. We have taken responsibility for ourselves, have placed faith in our friends, family, and community and do not rely on an invisible cloud being to guide our hand and excuse our actions. We chuckle when we pass one of your mega churches on Sunday morning and see all the religious folk huddled in their dark sanctuaries learning how to denigrate gays, women, minorities, or any other group you deem beneath you. Wouldn't you rather be out in the sunshine, improving yourself and those around you, rather than feeding that anger inside you?
All I hear in your messages is hate and intolerance. Why is there so much anger in you? Do you think it might be that you are having a hard time rationalizing the years of religious indoctrination with your own sense of responsibility, fairness, and peace?
You may want to come join the "non-religious" folk. We are happy, productive, raise wonderful families, contribute to our communities, and have our Sunday mornings free to sleep in, go for a long run, eat some pancakes, play with the dog, our just drink in the wonder of it all.
Posted by Trieatalot at April 30, 2007 09:05 AMLet me lay out scout's response for you Trieatalot;
All those evil things throughout history done in the name of God were done by hypocrites. The mega-churches are populated by nothing but hypocrites. They are not true Christians. (Only scout seems to be a true Christian.)
Your perception of your own happiness is simply a matter of your pre-conditioning by our corporate overlords. You aren't really happy. The corps just want you to think you're happy.
And there'll undoubtedly be some reference to whores and whoremongers.
And you shouldn't take any of it personally because scout is simply pointing out hard Biblical truths that it's impossible, since you are one of the many unsaved, for you to comprehend.
Posted by snark at April 30, 2007 09:28 AMThanks for the insight Snark. I'm not sure the Corporate Overlords have much use for me and my family. We are not much into consumerism, we try to live a small footprint lifestyle, maybe purchasing a new pair of running shoes every few months. I suppose the Asics or Mizuno Overlords (preferred brands of shoes) may have me in a database somewhere, but my purchase frequency is too low to merit any concentrated thought control.
I was just commenting to my fellow travelers the other day about our lack of comprehension of the invisible cloud being and how he/she/it manipulates all of our actions. But since we have no free will and our actions are guided by the cloud being, why would we be discussing our lack of comprehension. I'm so confused.
Posted by Trieatalot at April 30, 2007 09:49 AM(Only scout seems to be a true Christian.)
Except he's not, since he said Jesus hates all humans (you know, like the Phelps clan that says they're glad soldiers are dying 'cos of gays or something stupid like that). I am interested in Brain-Surgery Christ, though; the one that "removed a few mental inhibitors enabling us to spiral further in evil" just so he could watch humans circle the drain and laugh maniacally with Zeus and Buddha over Mai Tais in Hawaii. I couldn't find anything like that in the bible, and I looked hard, thinking that a Jesus with laser-beam eyes slicing into people's brains just to watch them die might be pretty cool. Alas, scout's ramblings aren't based on any bible any real human has ever seen. Personally, I think he watches too much American Idol - it's warped his already warped belief system. I imagine being saved by scout's god is kinda like Iraqis being "liberated" by Bushco. Thanks but no thanks!
Posted by iamcoyote at April 30, 2007 09:58 AMsnrky, s sl, y r crrct.
Tr, y r rlgs, yr rlgn s hmnsm, mn-md pgn stff f th ncnts. Whrs th ncnts smply mn thr gds f wd nd gld, n th mg f mn, yr lk crt gdly mgs f mn sng tchnlgy, whch dfs mn qt smlr t wht th ncnt Grks rgnzd drng th 6th Cntry.
snrk's pnts bt th hypcrsy f rgnzd rlgn, ys, Chrstn, fll nt ths sm fllcy: tht mn cn chs t fnd Chrst. W cn nt, s w r smply t vl, nd s vl, tht w r wtht th blty t dfn 'gd.'
Cyt s crrct tht Chrst ds ht ll vl, thrfr mn, yt H lvd th wrld ngh t sv fw frm th cmng dstrctn. Th frst t g wll b th hypcrt Chrstns, thn, fr shrt tm, th hthn pgns wll knw th trth f rlty, bt t lt.
Th smplcty f Chrst's prgrm lcks cmplxty t sch n xtnt, tht t cnfss th vl mnd-st f s ll. W, crss cltrs, thnk tht w mst rn rspct f whtvr gd w nvnt, ncldng mn's nt-Chrst f slf dlztn, nd ncldng, n th cs f hypcrt Chrstnty, Chrst Hmslf. Th lttr hypcrts nsst tht mn 'cn ccpt Chrst,' nd g thrgh th crmnl mtns f wtr bptsm nd cmmnn, mng thr thngs.
snrk, bt Fsk, m n bt pg 890, rght ftr th fghns lmst bt hm t dth. Th wknss f Fsky s tht hs rrgnc, rlgn f hmnst flshnss, vr-shdws hs ndrstndng th slm. Ths s qt typcl f ths fls/pgn rlgn: rlgs cntrsm, wth twst f nt-rlgn s cvr, crtng nthr dcptn tht th pwr lt cn dstrt.
Nvrthlss, h ds hv sm nsghts, mch s sy, drn, Frd's stdnt, r Frtz Prls, rgrdng tny lttl nsghts, ll tkn t f th cntxt f scl trth.
[Editor: ignore=off]Tr, ls, w hv fr wll n r dmnsn, bt zr sprtl fr wll. Ths s th mnng f nt knwng gd, th gd f Chrst. B dvsd tht hypcrt Chrstnty twsts th bv frcng thmslvs nt blvng tht thy HV sprtl fr wll, jst s ny thr pgn rlgn.
[Editor: ignore=off]snark, about Fisk, I am on about page 890,
Didn't pick it up once this weekend. Garden and children occupied me fully.
right after the Afghans almost beat him to death.
Thanks for the spoiler!
The weakness of Fisky is that his arrogance, religion of humanist foolishness, over-shadows his understanding the Islam. This is quite typical of this false/pagan religion: religious centrism, with a twist of anti-religion as cover, creating another deception that the power elite can distort.
So it seems your warning to me was misplaced. It was you who read something you didn't want to know.
You make me laugh scout.
Posted by snark at April 30, 2007 11:58 AMyh, snrky, thght y wld lk tht; stll, whn y gt rnd pg 850 r s, m crs bt yr rctn t hs thghts, nd t mn.
H gts knd trcky n tht h bgns t rn th mtnl rng frm prcptv t flsh, bt hs tr flngs bt hs rlgs-cntrsm k t clrly.
[Editor: ignore=off]Coyote is correct that Christ does hate all evil, therefore man,
I didn't say that; you did. I know that nowhere in the bible does it say that Christ hates man. You apparently have never read that book. You even twist the quote that "god so loved the world..." that proves you wrong. Didn't Jesus say "god is love?" I know that all the real Christians I've met say that.
Of course, in the same way your "spiritual" brethren interpret that phrase to mean love the little boys behind the confessional, you've interpreted love as really meaning hate, right? If you think about it, you're doing exactly what Jesus said the Devil does - twist his words to mean the opposite. Which would make you Satan's buttboy, wouldn't it? Makes as much sense as any of the other fairy tales you push like meth at a Republican "policy meeting." You're a fraud, scout; like Falwell and Robertson, you push a religion you know nothing about just to pretend superiority over people much smarter, more interesting, and a hell of a lot more worthy of praise than a batty old fart like yourself, looking for attention. You should be ashamed of yourself - but as we all know, you have no shame.
Posted by iamcoyote at April 30, 2007 12:43 PMNo, scout, you are incorrect. You and your "ilk" choose to define non-religious people as humanists, pagans, or some other divisive descripter. I take a very simple view of it. Let's use bowlers as a proxy for religious folk. Bowlers have their rituals, meetings, icons, rules, guidelines, and shared histories. I do not bowl, nor do I subscribe to the bowler belief system. That puts me into the "non-bowler" camp. Bowling does not have any direct influence on my life or the lives of my family and community (we have no bowling alleys in our town). You are a bowler and I am a non-bowler. It is that simple.
Please do not insult me again by saying that I do not know that I am a closet bowling humanist. I have as much interest in playing with big black balls as I have in listening to your religious messages of hate, division, and intolerance.
And please do tell me, if many religions preceeded Christiany, have co-existed with Christianity, and there will undoubtably be new religions succeeding Christianity, how do you know you chose the right religion to follow? Seems to me that I would want to follow one that has been around longer like Hinduism or Buddhism.
Posted by Trieatalot at April 30, 2007 04:00 PMcyt, y'll hv t rd Rmns chptr 1-3, nd Jrmh, 23, thnk, nd Pslms 59, whr w nt mn's vl ntr frm cncptn. f ths r wrng, lt m knw nd 'll chck. dn't wnt t wst tm t fnd thm fr y, nlss y r srs. Gd s lv, s Sprt, s ht, s jls, s prfct, s mlln thngs. Chrst s lv n tht H dcdd t st sd fw ppl frm th cmng dstrctn. Lv, s dfnd by th Bbl, s KPNG CHRST'S CMMNDMNTS, whch s th ntr Bbl. Lv s NT scrwng, :).
Tr, th ldst rlgn s Chrstnty, s th ncnt Jws wr prt f Chrstnty. Whl th T ws wrttn n bt 1450 BC, th stry bgn t crtn, bt 13k yrs g. Th Vds r ldr nly n thr wrttn mtrl, nd r pgn kknss.
N nslt ntndd, bt th sclgy f knwldg dctts tht y r hmnst/Blshvk/n-Nz pgnst. Th ltr n tht y fndmntlly gr wth Rmntc/rgnc gntc thry f th dlztn f mn, whch ls hs t's slly rts n th ncnt Gk crp f glrfyng whtvr mn dms mprtnt: bty, ntllgnc, tc.
Y mst qstn yr ssmptns. Dd y thnk ws gng t tll y wht y wntd t hr? Y hv yr stpd TV fr tht! :)
[Editor: ignore=off]You must question your assumptions.
Yes Trieatalot, you must question your assumptions until you arrive at the same conclusions that scout has arrived at. Got it?
Posted by snark at April 30, 2007 06:46 PMYeah, Trieatalot! Ya humanist/Bolshevik/neo-Nazi paganist, which, by the way is too long to be a good name for a band.
So far, Romans is only a list of things that make scout go "ick." Doesn't say anything about God hating humans, but it does resemble a lot of scout's grumbling about how the rest of the world seems to be having fun, the bastids, they must be evil. No mention of Bolsheviks or Nazis that I can tell. And I wonder, can a humanist be a paganist? Is that even a word? I thought it was pagan.
Posted by iamcoyote at April 30, 2007 07:15 PMMan made God in his own image.
Posted by TIKI AL at May 2, 2007 01:07 PM