Very appropriate. This fits right in with your current conspiracy theories regarding Alberto Gonzales and President Bush.
Posted by nabalzbbfr at May 16, 2007 06:12 PMCorrect Steve. It was none other than Arlen Specter that rammed thru the Lone Gunman Theory, ending the governments "official" look in to JFK's murder. The Oliver Stone movie, JFK, is an excellent primer on this subject and anyone interested in this latest revelation might want to rent it and cozy up for an evening. How appropriate that Specter now sits on evidence of Presidential criminality that could shake the nation in the same way that a "Conspiracy to Assassinate" would have all those years ago. Funny, how the same players keep popping up...Specter with JFK, Rummy and Cheney with Nixon, Gates with Reagan, Bush with...Bush. All GOPers.
Posted by T2 at May 16, 2007 06:24 PMThe truth will eventually come out that he was murdered by people who wanted him out of the Presidency. Knowing what we know now about our Government and it's covert actions and the twisting of the truth, it is very likely the hit was sponsored by people who wanted Kennedy gone, and not some lone person. Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy and Jack Kennedy were not murdered by some nut either. They were murdered for political reasons, plain and simple.
The files that were to be opened 30 years after his murder have yet to see the light of day. Forty seven years later and we still have not seen those files. In fact, we will never see the files.
The Government will kill this story so fast it will make your head spin.
Posted by Judith at May 16, 2007 06:25 PMnabalzbbfr is Benito.
Posted by Judith at May 16, 2007 06:28 PMFurthermore, according to the evidence and the live film, there was more than one assassin. Only a idiot, or someone who was covering up would come to any other conclusion.
Posted by Judith at May 16, 2007 06:32 PMNice Christian values there Scout.
Posted by Judith at May 16, 2007 06:35 PMJudith, he's no more a Christian than Falwell. Just ignore him.
Posted by iamcoyote at May 16, 2007 06:41 PMThe research only says multiple shooters is a possibility, not probable.
My pops was an expert for the military at the time and conducted part of the studies into the Cacarno. Sclubs yanked off of a military rifle range could easily achieve Oswald's rate of fire (3 shots), and Oswald was incredibly familiar with his rifle.
If you've never been to Dallas to see the site, you should go. The distances are much less than they seem to be on film. I could have done real damage with a good slingshot.
The only way this opens up is if someone with unimpeachable proof comes forward. I doubt if that will happen. The bullets will not and have not proven anything.
Posted by phidipides at May 16, 2007 06:47 PMP-dip;
No disrespect to anyone in your family, but the notion that Oswald could fire off 3 direct hits in 6.2 seconds at a moving target with that rifle gives me just as much doubt as it did to better informed people decades ago.
Anyway, I'll respect your dad's findings.
Has anyone seen or read Bugliosi's book to see how many pages he devotes to the science that confirmed the official account?
Posted by Steve Soto at May 16, 2007 07:33 PMPdip: people with unimpeachable proof have come forward, but the disinformation has been so intense over the years that no one believes anyone anymore.
Your best legitimate book to really learn about the case is "Oswald and the CIA" by John Newman, the history professor at the University of Maryland. He's the expert on the most recently declassified materials -- as a former intelligence analyst he has an eye for the right kind of detail.
The lies and deceptions of the present have deep roots.
Posted by Slothrop at May 16, 2007 07:53 PMLee Harvey Oswald flopped out of the agency marksman training.
There's no way one bullet caused all that destruction -- defying the laws of physics and ended up on the gurney next to the late, President John Kennedy, at Parkland Hospital in Dallas, and the yet the bullet had no physical damage.
It's impossible.
Posted by Christopher at May 16, 2007 07:55 PMmoving target
If you've not been to Dallas, it was a receding target at slow speed. Stick your left arm straight-out at about 10:30, your chest pointing at 12:00. That line of fire was held for several seconds.
I'm not taking any offense at all, Steve. My pops would talk about this with anyone, but he didn't take offense if they thought there were still issues. He just knew what he witnessed.
Posted by phidipides at May 16, 2007 07:56 PMhttp://www.jfklancer.com/backes/newman/newman_1.html
Cut and paste. Study and learn.
Posted by Slothrop at May 16, 2007 07:58 PMP-dip...go and read the findings of Specter's Magic Bullet theory. Trace the trajectory through its flight as Specter claimed it traveled. It is ballistically impossible. period. Forget anyone's ability as a marksman....the movement of a piece of shrapnel could only do what that piece did in a dream. The entire findings of that Commission are based on something that is just... impossible unless the shooting occurred in outer space, not Big D. Add to that the fact that the projectile produced as the "Magic Bullet" was totally intact, not scarred in any manner (see photo) and was found just laying next to the body as if placed there....I don't care if Oswald was the grandson of Davey Crockett, the bullet couldn't have done what the Commission said it did.
Posted by T2 at May 16, 2007 08:03 PMPdip: people with unimpeachable proof have come forward, but the disinformation has been so intense over the years that no one believes anyone anymore.
Yup. You hear all sorts of stuff. "It was a magic bullet that defied physics!" "10 super-duper expert marksmen type shooters couldn't fire that ole"...military designed to kill people..."Mannlicher-Cacarno that fast or accurately!" I assure you, people can cycle it that fast and can hit the target with it. It is a people killing machine. The limo was moving very slow and there was about 11 seconds in the kill zone. The first shot missed and fragments hit a bystander. The next two hit. There was plenty of time and Oswald had the basic skills. There could have been a conspiracy, and Oswald could have been part of it. But everything points to Oswald being the shooter.
The sad thing is everyone watches the Zapruda film and hopes Kennedy makes it past this time. He never does. He always dies.
It is ballistically impossible.
No it's not. Period. It's a reflection of where they were seated in the limo and the downward angle of the shot. If someone says the bullet jogged about in the air, they are wrong. The bullet followed an expected trajectory.
I'm with phidipides on this one. Oswald was the shooter and may or may not have been part of a conspiracy -- although I tend to think that he acted alone because all the alternative conspiracies that have been offered are too deeply flawed to have remained totally hidden for all these years.
Posted by Marie at May 16, 2007 09:47 PM
thank you.
Maybe it was Dick Cheney. Think about it. By misfiring a few years ago he appears to have "bad aim" and turned the FBI eyes elsewhere. Cunning. Very cunning.
Posted by muckdog at May 16, 2007 09:53 PMthank you.
Hmmmm. One always wonders how one should respond.
There are bigger fish to fry. This damn trade deal has me all a twitter. The Dems are getting assloads of money (actually a small amount compared to what they are giving away to the corporations). You know Dems. They never met a lobbyest they wouldn't blow for a dolla.
Posted by phidipides at May 16, 2007 10:08 PMI hate to comment, because this is a gruesome topic, but JFK was shot twice; one in the throat, and once in the back of the head.
Secondly, Oswald shot from the right of Kennedy's back, and the fatal wound indicated the shot came from the left. Lastly, the "magic bullet" also destroyed John Connelly's wrist, a large bone. The bullet would have resembled a mushroom. There is not a chance that the official explanation holds any water at all. Oh, lastly, the surgeons at the hospital where he was taken described a massive wound on the back right side of his head, yet the official autopsy photographs show a very small, neat hole. If that were the case, the exit wound in his frontal area would have been horrific.
Sorry for the gruesome discussion. I hate that sort of shit, but I hate blatant government lies and coverups more.
Posted by tempus at May 16, 2007 10:20 PMTo the commenter who insists that Oswald could have made the shots with the Carcano because he was trained and skilled: Oswald, a former Marine, was trained on the M1 Garand, a self-loading rifle that was (and is) highly regarded. I don't follow the conspiracy trail at all, but it seems to me that he would have used what he was trained on.
Also, rest assured that getting off three shots with a bolt action rifle in 6 seconds is mostly just "blazing away", and has a very low probability of high accuracy, particularly on a very small moving target. I say that based on considerable experience.
I can't say that Oswald did or didn't use the Carcano, but it's a highly improbable choice for several reasons..
Posted by Anonymous Coward at May 16, 2007 10:34 PMAnd I would humbly recommend this little piece by Chalmers Johnson. It is haunting me.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=194902
"None of the Democrats vying to replace President Bush is doing so with the promise of reviving the system of check and balances.... The aim of the party out of power is not to cut the presidency down to size but to seize it, not to reduce the prerogatives of the executive branch but to regain them."
"All of the institutions we thought would protect us -- particularly the press, but also the military, the bureaucracy, the Congress -- they have failed… So all the things that we expect would normally carry us through didn't. The biggest failure, I would argue, is the press, because that's the most glaring…. What can be done to fix the situation? [long pause] You'd have to fire or execute ninety percent of the editors and executives."
More American exceptionalism at its worst. No matter whether left or right, Americans can't believe that anything that happens to them is without a deeper significance.
Your Camelot King was taken out by a loner loser with a cheap rifle. Get over it.
(PS: Kennedy was as establishment as they come, and had oodles of blackmail material in his private life. Why on earth would the Illuminati, or whoever it is this iteration, need to kill him? And don't come back with that tired drivel that he was about to pull the US out of Vietnam. Even if he had wanted to, a quiet talk by someone carrying a few photos of Marilyn giving him head would have changed his mind pronto.)
Posted by sagesource at May 16, 2007 10:46 PMOswald, a former Marine, was trained on the M1 Garand, a self-loading rifle that was (and is) highly regarded.
And he ordered the Cacarno many months before shooting Kennedy, and had practiced with it. And you were saying?
but it seems to me that he would have used what he was trained on.
He used what was within his budget.
Also, rest assured that getting off three shots with a bolt action rifle in 6 seconds is mostly just "blazing away",
No, it is not. Besides, there was an 11 second window. Maybe he could have done it in 12 minutes? "No one can operate a bolt action rifle too damned fast!" Except maybe those guys who can do it in the alloted time frame, which is mostly anyone who has shot a bolt action.
Secondly, Oswald shot from the right of Kennedy's back, and the fatal wound indicated the shot came from the left.
I have no clue why you would say this. All of the analyses show the shots came from the schoolbook depository window. There is no "right" I have ever seen from any source. Maybe it was top-down? Okay. "Experts say the shots came from below." I guess saying anything I wish has it's merits. I'll just add experts. "Experts say the shooter was in the sewers." There. Now isn't that tidy?
Posted by phidipides at May 16, 2007 10:54 PMP-dip:
Thanks for the back-and-forth on this. I don't like talking about it because it forces me to confront the doubts I still have to this day.
And yes, the trade deal that Emanuel seemingly wants to keep secret a few days longer is far more relevant right now. I haven't had time to dig into what David Sirota has uncovered the last few days, but perhaps I can get a post up on that tomorrow.
Posted by Steve Soto at May 16, 2007 11:00 PMActually, yes it is blazing away. You can work the bolt that fast but you can't reacquire the target well enough each time. I know you will insist that it's possible and you'll call up some meager day on the range as proof, but it's not possible by anybody but maybe - and only maybe on a good day - one or two of the very best in the world.
The time-window was not the span of time in which the shots were made. Again, I don't follow the conspiracy trail so I don't know what the span was, but I've seen the Zapruder film a couple of times and it sure was not 11 seconds (or even 6).
Posted by Anonymous Coward at May 16, 2007 11:06 PMbut perhaps I can get a post up on that tomorrow.
It's an enjoyable lark to revisit the past, Steve. But even if we discover that Kennedy was murdered by some Orwellian plot, it changes nothing. There are thicker plots to unweave, and more dastardly deeds to enveil that are occurring under our noses. We stand at least some little chance of unweaving the current doings. We surely cannot change the past.
Anonymous Coward
Why would you post under this pseudonym? I will call you Sir Argyle, because your feet seem to be stuck in the clay.
Sir Argyle. You are wrong. Dead fucking wrong.
Posted by phidipides at May 16, 2007 11:16 PMit is so sad that after all these years, so few want to confront the reality of the "hit".
what should always be confronted is that the target was traveling towards the "shooter". that was the easy shot.
shooting at a target moving away, downhill, was an almost impossibility. just ask any sniper.
the aspect of the "hit" that has been obscured is the the trees, in full leaf, were removed almost immediately after the "hit".
you have to understand, with the trees removed, the "hit" appears easy. but, with the trees in leaf that day, the "hit" from the school book depository was virtually impossible.
i am always astonished by those who believe in the "official" story. these are the same mental midgets who believe that short-term kerosene fires brought down wtc 1,2. who believe that wtc 6 was hollowed out by falling debris. who believe that wtx 7 just decided to self-destruct as if the seattle kingdome.
prefrontal lobotomies are de rigeur for those who care to sustain the bushit fiction. the warren commission fictions.
disturbing that anyone still believes all those lies. d
45 years later and we're still discussing and debating that terrible event. It's fascinating.
Posted by Christopher at May 17, 2007 03:22 AMWow, minus one "benito like" comment at the beginning this thread actually has some nice discussion back and forth here....what a pleasure for a change.
Posted by emal at May 17, 2007 04:30 AMI meant absolutely no offence P-dip. I was simply pointing out what many other "experts" have mentioned that directly contradict the Warren Commission findings that make no sense in terms of physics or the physical injuries whatsoever. Sorry if I offended.
Posted by tempus at May 17, 2007 06:20 AMHere is what we do know. The Warren Commission started with the premise that Oswald was the lone shooter, and threw out anything that didn't back up that theory. Ask yourself, why?
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 06:33 AMRead Rush to Judgement and Whitewash.
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 06:36 AMforgetting the bizarre trajectory of the Magic Bullet, there is no evidence denying that it encountered bone on its path (the reason ususally given for it's irratic path). How, then, does it appear virtually unmarked? And how convenient that it popped out of Gov. Connolly and landed perfectly visible at his side in the hospital. Sure, easy to conclude that that bullet was simply placed there to make the story work. But we won't go there. A simple explanation of how it could do what it did and remain unmarked is today, and was then, totally lacking. That is as much why its referred to as The Magic Bullet as it's preposterous and unproven trajectory. Remember P-dip, the trajectory of that bullet doesn't exist in Fact, only on a drawing prepared by the Warren Commission. There is no proof at all that it moved in that manner, just conjecture. I direct your attention to the very document you directed mine to: "In the end, the medical evidence alone cannot prove, nor disprove, that the bullet changed course after striking JBC in the back." period. And if it didn't change course......there goes the Warren Commission judgement.
Posted by T2 at May 17, 2007 06:38 AMTo Clarify: I don't know if a lone gunman shot JFK, whether it was Oswald or somebody else, or if it was 2-3-4 other shooters. Smoke puffs, echos, expert marksman/men, lucky shots, mafia,commies, kooks? All I'm saying here is that no one else knows these answers either, despite the fact that the Warren Comm. was set up to provide them using the investigative powers of the US Gov't. After all this time, we still have only arguments, no proof. The only thing most everyone can agree on: Lots of people didn't like JFK, for lots of reasons.
Posted by T2 at May 17, 2007 07:10 AMDid anyone see Seinfeld's magic bullet episode? What a riot.
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 07:22 AMT2, I read the Warren Commission Report. It is now years later and my memory has faded, but there is one thing that I do remember. The Report did little to anwer blaring questions, and if you believed that a lone nut shot Kennedy, after reading the report you changed your mind. In other words, the Warren Commission Report did little to put the Kennedy Assassination to rest.
"Oh, lastly, the surgeons at the hospital where he was taken described a massive wound on the back right side of his head, yet the official autopsy photographs show a very small, neat hole. If that were the case, the exit wound in his frontal area would have been horrific."
Tempus, there are offical pictures on the Internet of Kennedy at the hospital. They are gruesome to say the least, but they do show the wounds very vividly. The back of his head had exploded.
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 07:37 AMWarning: These are difficult to view.
http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 07:40 AMDiagram of Magic Bullet.
http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 07:45 AMYou all need to read 'Fatal Error'. The book is by ballistics expert & the only guy in a group of marksmen hired by CBS to test the Warren report that not only fires three shots but hit all three in a moving simulation.
Years later he went back & reviewed the actual evidence. and what he found was pretty convincing.
1 - Kennedy had copper spall on the outside of the back of his head. Not something that can happen from any bullet hitting its target.
2 - if you look at the actual seating locations Connelly was inboard and lower. The bullet did not need to do anything unusual to travel through both men.
3 - there was copper spalling on the inside front of Kennedys head. Not something Oswalds round could do but very common with 7.62 & would indicate entry from the rear.
4 - Oswalds round would not have caused the head to explode as it does.
5 - all wounds enter from rear exit to the front.
6 - Kennedy does not grab his throat, he is 'posturing' very common with spinal cord being severed.
His conclusion is the Oswalds first shot hit the road with copper jacket bits flying up & hitting Kennedy. Second shot severs his spine & is fatal, it also wounds Connelly. Third shot came from an agent riding in the chase car - they lied about their M-15 being loaded during the investigation but later admitted it was but did not have a round chambered. The author believes it that shot was an acident caused by nerves & the chase car sudden acceleration but that the shot did not matter as JFK was already dead.
Posted by frankly at May 17, 2007 07:56 AMJudith, not the "official" autopsy photos released by the Warren Commission. They are quite, quite different.
Perhaps the photos you have seen were taken by actual hospital coroners, and not by government employees. But then, who knows? Who will ever know? Those who are still alive haven't said a word since Nov 22, 1963, and I doubt they're about to now!
Posted by tempus at May 17, 2007 07:56 AMAfter all these years, all we ever get is one set of "experts" saying "no way" and another set saying "no mystery." The former always discount the fact that every uniuqe event will contain anomolies -- plus crime scene forensics in 1963 weren't what they are today.
Judith, agree that the Warren Commission gave the appearance of being squirrly by locking up the evidence. However, can't agree that they didn't use what they had which was that Oswald was the shooter. What they and nobody since then has been able to get at was if anyone facilitated Oswald. (How about all those books and articles that speculated on the identity of Deep Throat -- how many got it right? None.) For me, it doesn't add up that the Warren Commission would suppress evidence that pointed to the FBI, CIA, the mafia, the Cuban mafia, Castro, Nixon or any other Republican. LBJ would have been more than pleased to go after any of those groups. My guess is that their fears (baseless as it most likely was) drove them to sealed the evidence and quickly close the case.
Posted by Marie at May 17, 2007 08:18 AMI meant absolutely no offence P-dip.
I took no offense, temp. It was a nice exchange! This subject gets lots of people thinking and talking, and there is not a damn thing wrong with that.
Posted by phidipides at May 17, 2007 08:38 AM"people thinking and talking, and there is not a damn thing wrong with that."
...what if it's neocon people and the subject is invading Iraq?
Posted by TIKI AL at May 17, 2007 08:55 AMFrom The "Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives"
(QUOTE)Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
(END QUOTE)
How about that? All the conspiracy deniers-what can you say to this investigation?
The House report further concludes that the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, and Warren Commission were deficient in their conduct and did not investigate the possibility of a conspiracy sufficiently to knowledgeably report on it.
And, questions about Oswald remain unanswered. I am curious on how the first Marine to defect to the USSR during the Cold War (with the stated intent of disclosing secret information on the U2 spy plane program) is allowed to return to live in the USA after a couple years with his Russian wife, whereupon he immediately begins working openly for pro-Castro organizations (does anyone remember the missile crisis or the Bay of Pigs).
There is surely more here than meets the eye.
...what if it's neocon people and the subject is invading Iraq?
Muzzle the fuckers. I was referring to rational people thinking and talking, not republi-cons.
Posted by phidipides at May 17, 2007 09:25 AMMichael Ledeen of Italian intelligence/Niger forgery fame is an old colleague of Ted Shackley.
Just for fun, try a Google search for "Ted Shackley, JM Wave" and see where it takes it you.
See how it all ties in?
Posted by Slothrop at May 17, 2007 02:22 PMJFK was assassinated as the result of a conspiracy.
The shot that went through his neck came from the front. The doctors who attended to him at Parkland had mostly been medics and battlefield surgeons who had served their country in combat conditions and who damned well knew the difference between wounds of entry and exit.
Anyway, Ruby's murder of Oswald proves there was a conspiracy. So there.
Posted by Toby Petzold at May 17, 2007 02:51 PMI was in Germany in 1992 and I heard this from a fellow about JFK's assasination: Jackie did it. She knew he was fooling around on her so she took a pistol from her purse and shot him dead, five times and shot the governor in front, shot him in the arm.
The most amazing theory I'd ever heard! The fellow who told me that was an American Army officer, and he was sober and very serious.
You see? Education and communication and just plain thought always fails us.
Posted by Mal Feasance at May 17, 2007 07:46 PMLone gunman or several, there is no evidence that Oswald was the shooter. He was seen in the lunch room (15?) minutes before the assassination, and 90 seconds after -- with no evidence that he ever left.
Most of the evidence inplicating Oswald (including the rifle photo) came out of the garage of the couple that had befriended Marina -- a couple that were friends with Allen Dulles, with links to the Agency and United Fruit.
The only thing that seems certain -- Oswald's statment that he was "a patsy".
See the JFKMurderSolved.com website -- they feature information from James Files, who claims to be the grassy knoll shooter. Files describes his weapon, and biting on one of the shell casings -- which matches a shell casing found on the site.
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/index.htm
LBJ's nephew showed up on the set of JFK, and told the film crew that LBJ told him in 1962 that JFK would not survive his first term. Nixon was in Dallas on 11/22/63, but lied to the Warren Comission -- he made false statements about advanced booking for the Frito Lay/Pepsi merger.
What I have read convinces me that the hit was carried out by members of Operation 40, the CIA Miami Station assassination team. It was made up of Bay of Pigs veterans -- including GHW Bush, E Howard Hunt, and Nixon's Cubans.
When Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany, two Americans were present -- John Foster and Allen Dulles. They were Wall Street Lawyers, who were involved in every deal between American Capitalists and the Third Reich. After the war, a Naval Intelligence Officer named Richard Nixon deep sixed a report that linked Allen Dulles with a Nazi Industrialist. After this, Dulles and Prescott Bush launched Nixon's political career.
Allen Dulles built up Nazi Germany before the war, and installed Gestapo agents in the CIA afterwards. For Americans on the wrong side of WWII, killing an American President was nothing.
Posted by -ck- at May 17, 2007 07:55 PMI rejected the conspiracy theories until I accidentally watched the British production "The Men who Killed Kennedy." And started to do research on my own.
In the Zapruder film, right after the final shot, we see huge chunks of Kennedy's head fly backwards. Some landed on the trunk of the limousine. We see Jaqueline get our of her seat and scramble to fetch some of them. It is a tragic, pathetic sight.
As Judith notes, the doctors at the Dallas hospital testify that the wound is consistent with this observation, large and open. But the photo in the autopsy report included in the Warren Commission report depicts tiny, neat bullet holes. I forget the source, but I think it was according to the hearings in the mid 1970's - the marksings on the negative of that photo prove that it was taken with a camera that was not in the possession of any member of the hospital that did the autopsy. It was never located.
The head used for the Warren Report has different wounds from the head that was in the Zapruder film and in the Dallas hospital. And the head in the autopsy report was photographed with a camera that was not available to the people who did the autopsy. How did that happen?
I think we also have to wonder which head those bullet fragments came from. Why the examining doctor incinerated his examination notes the next day... and so on.
There are at least half a dozen major issues like this and probably hundreds of minor ones involving treatment of evidence, motive, means, and so on. The standard theory just makes no sense in light of these.
Sorry about the ramble...
Posted by steve at May 17, 2007 08:19 PM
sagesource said:
More American exceptionalism at its worst. No matter whether left or right, Americans can't believe that anything that happens to them is without a deeper significance.
Your Camelot King was taken out by a loner loser with a cheap rifle. Get over it.
Except, Oswald wasn't really a loner. He did have at least a couple very, very interesting friends, and he led a very, very interesting life. This is where I think the evidence for conspiracy really rears its ugly head. I think too often people focus on the incomplete forensics, distorted by lots of disinformation, like Posner's book, instead of looking at Oswald and his bizarro connections, which don't make any sense unless there was a conspiracy.
Look at Oswald's life:
* At the very least, has indirect Mafia connections through a childhood friend, David Ferrie, who also was involved like Oswald was in anti-Cuban activites at the same time and in the same place Oswald was during the summer of 1963, New Orleans. It should be noted that the pro-Cuban version of Oswald shared office space with a former FBI agent who was running an anti-Castro organization. It should be noted, too, Oswald was participating in anti-Castro things simultaneously with participating in pro-Castro things.
* Worked in signals intelligence at the only Asian U2 base during that time of the Cold War.
* Was best friends with a guy named Kerry Thornley at the U2 base, who while a complete nut also happened to found a cult which played some small role in the counter-culture movement, and who wrote a book about Oswald years before he allegedly killed JFK.
* Immigrated into and out of the Iron Curtain in the middle of the Cold War, without debriefing by the U.S. government, despite the signals intelligence background at the Asian U2 base.
* Participated in anti-Cuban and pro-Cuban groups after his time in the Soviet Union, including one he basically founded a chapter for, which was by the way later proven to be a CIA front at that organization's "national" level.
* Later, at the time of JFK's assassination, he was best friends with a guy named George de Mohrenschildt, who was on a first-name basis with the future director of the CIA, future Vice President and President, George H.W. Bush; and worked for the Bush's during WWII; whose brother founded a CIA institution (Radio Free Europe); and who also was on a first name basis with Jackie Bouvier! Think about THAT. Oswald's bestest friend in the whole world at the time of JFK's assassination personally knew the First Frickin' Lady!
[sarcasm]Oh, well, doesn't everybody have friends in high places? Isn't everybody's best friend on a first name basis with the First Lady?[/sarcarsm] Jesus Christ, I don't know how much more obvious it is, but I'm going to state this clearly. Oswald was NOT just a nut. Nobody, NOBODY ordinary, especially not a loner nutcase, has these kinds of connections. UNLESS, it is thru their job. So, who was Oswald working for? C'mon, he was a CIA asset. It is screamingly obvious. If I had to bet, De Mohrenschildt was his handler.
Here's De Mohrenschildt's story.
When Oswald returns to the U.S. from the U.S.S.R., who does Oswald hook up with? One George de Mohrenschildt, Oswald's new "best" friend. What's so special about George? Where to begin. Born in Czarist Russia to a wealthy family, George de Mohrenschildt escapes through Poland in the '20s. During and before WWII, he is engaged in either pro-Nazi activites or anti-Nazi activities, although it is hard to determine which, exactly. He goes to Work for -- get ready for it -- Humble Oil and Prescott Bush in 1939. His stated occupation is a petroleum geologist. Who is he really working for, though? Well, in 1942, he was deported from Mexico because he was supposedly engaging in pro-Nazi-related activities. But, he was carrying a $6,000 letter of credit from Chase Manhattan, Nelson Rockefeller's bank, the same Rockefeller and bank that worked closely with Allied intelligence during the war to deny Nazi access to oil in Latin America. George's brother worked with the OSS during and after the war, and was later a co-founder of the CIA's Radio Free Europe. Following that war-time strangeness, he was friends with -- ugh, get ready for this -- Jacklyn Bouvier. He also had a nephew who went to Andover, and that nephew's roommate -- get ready, again -- was George Herbert Walker Bush, future head of the CIA, U.S. Vice President and President. Incidentally, or not so incidentally, a letter in the '70s from then CIA Director George Bush to George de Mohrenschildt, about de Mohrenschildt being pestered about Oswald around the time of the House investigation of the assassination, makes perfectly clear that they knew each other more than well enough, with personal references by Bush to personal things going on in de Mohrenschildt's family. How did Oswald and De Mohrenschildt become friends? De Mohrenschildt said that he was encouraged to get to know Oswald by J. Walton Moore, a CIA agent in Dallas, and that it was De Mohrenschildt who suggested to Oswald that he move to Dallas. De Mohrenschildt's wife and daughter claim he helped Oswald get a job with a graphics company, too. Following the assassination of JFK in the '70s, he worked in Haiti and spent a lot of time attempting to get to know Papa Doc, with whom he was certainly acquainted with as well. De Mohrenschildt later killed himself, just before he could speak to a House assassination investigator, but he didn't leave a suicide note. His wife later said of the alleged suicide: "They may get me too, but I'm not afraid." His address book contained the personal, Texas address of George H.W. Bush.
Any affirmative statement of fact in that, above, not the speculation or alleged parts, that's ALL fact. Oswald's best friend was friends with the Bushes and Jackie O. You all think about that. Lone gunman my ass. How about CIA asset?
And that's just ONE of Oswald's connections and ONE of the pieces of weirdness around Oswald and the assassination. There's much more. And there's Ruby, too. It just goes on and on and on. Oswald didn't act alone.
Posted by Brian Bell at May 17, 2007 08:29 PMPerhaps the photos you have seen were taken by actual hospital coroners
Tempus, the pictures I linked are by the coroner, the only official pictures. There were other pictures, but they were doctored, shall we say.
Posted by Judith at May 17, 2007 09:03 PMWhat Brian Bell said about Oswald and de Mohrenschildt is a good lead in to Oswald's relationship with the Agency.
In addition, a recently released document confirms that Oswald was a CIA asset.
The reason Oswald was chosen as the patsy was his connection to the Soviet Union. From Day One after the assassinaton, the Johnson Administration made it clear to Earl Warren that if Oswald were part of a conspiracy, it would mean Nuclear War with the Soviets. That was unacceptable, so the lone gunman narrative became the imperative conclusion.
Posted by -ck- at May 18, 2007 10:21 AM