I all my life I have never witnessed anything as heart-breaking as a parent burying a child. Those of us who have not experienced this unspeakable grief cannot be where Andrew Bacevich is. We cannot share his burden; we can only stand witness to it, in awe of it.
But we can share in his understanding of the truth and recognition of our duty. Despite the perfidy of Bush/Cheney Junta and despite the political cowardice of the Democratic "leadership," we cannot hold ourselves free of responsibility for this disaster. It is our patriotic duty to keep working for what is right.
Posted by James E. Powell at May 27, 2007 02:29 PMI can't wait to hear what Tony Snow has to say about this....
Posted by Flamethrower at May 27, 2007 02:39 PMAdd Mr. Bacevich's son to the almost 1,000 to die since Memorial Day one year ago. Next year, will it be another 1,000?
Posted by Judith at May 27, 2007 04:18 PMOne more decent human being fed into the gaping maw of war. We should have a choice if we want to enter this sick world at birth.
Posted by tempus at May 27, 2007 05:06 PMAndrew Bacevich is directly responsible for his son's death. He should realize that undermining the morale of our fighting men and women and attacking our Commander in Chief encourages our fanatical enemies and prevents us from achieving the victory which is within our grasp.
Posted by nabalzbbfr at May 27, 2007 05:33 PMnabalzbbfr,
I think this post makes clear that you are a parody troll of the highest order but also, whether you are or are not, a deeply sick person. And can you explain how the heartfelt, thoughtful, writings of an honest citizen could delay or prevent a "victory that is almost within our grasp?" If its a victory, and its almost within our grasp, no small thing can prevent it. If something like an op ed can prevent it, its not almost within our grasp, its a fantasy.
aimai
Posted by aimai at May 27, 2007 05:45 PMJudith,
Just a gentle revision: next year there will not be 1000 more deaths.
There will 1200. Perhaps more.
All for a lie.
All for a philosophy.
All for an ego.
Not one required for national security.
Not one needed for defense.
Not one defensible.
Not one.
...boys throw stones at frogs in sport, yet the frogs do not die in sport, but in earnest. -Plutarch
Perhaps we will stop killing our troops "in sport" before next year.
Perhaps - but I doubt it.
And while our leaders "sport"
the troops are dying.
In earnest.
Sensationalist news coverage and defeatist public sermonizing are the terrorists' life blood. If not for that, they would have long ago realized that their cause is hopeless.
Posted by nabalzbbfr at May 27, 2007 06:55 PMnabalzbbf. when was the last, if only time, you even pricked your finger for your country. You are beyond pathetic. Serve, or shut the fuck up, you guyless piece of mouse dropping.
Posted by tempus at May 27, 2007 07:25 PMnabalzbbfr, YOUR MOTHER FUCKER! This is about someone who died, and the nearly 3,500 others who have died. You and your kind are directly responsible for their deaths. How dare you come to this site and spout your lies you fucker. Take it elsewhere. I sure as hell am in no mood to listen to some asshole who would rather celebrate death and destruction, than honor a man who died for his fucking war. Come on brave man, go to Iraq and then come back and post. There are too many veterans here, and anyone of them can take you on. You cheap piece of shit. Am I pissed, you betcha, because it is the small, narrow, limited, uneducated, unpatriotic, pieces of shit like you that are directly responsible for the death of Bacevich's son. Sleep tight traitor.
Posted by Judith at May 27, 2007 09:06 PMSorry to all at TLC for my rant, but I am sick and tired of these people. This is Memorial Day Weekend, to honor those who have served, and this MF comes here to shoot off his mouth. What a despicable excuse for a human being.
Posted by Judith at May 27, 2007 09:12 PMMoney maintains the Republican/Democratic duopoly of trivialized politics. It confines the debate over U.S. policy to well-hewn channels.
This is the heart of the problem. True lobby reform would go a long way toward giving us a real Democracy. The money changing hands between the elected representatives and the military/industrial complex is shameful.
The ethics reform bill that just passed is a big fucking joke, and Pelosi had her hands all over it. If any independent candidate for President promises an Executive Order that ends the massive flow of cash as it occurs with lobbying, that person will get every dime I can muster for their campaign and my vote.
The only other option I can see is to amend the Constitution to stop the selling of our democracy to the highest bidder. Reforming the lobbys is the one way to stop this war and wars in the future. The profits from death must be taken from Congress.
Sensationalist news coverage and defeatist public sermonizing are the terrorists' life blood.
Hmmm. I thought it was a republi-con president who placed an incompetent in the position of National Security Advisor. You know, ignore the intel that says there will be an attack like Condi did...and the Mad King...
Never mind. Republi-con nazi fucktard scum like you wouldn't understand.
Am I pissed, you betcha, because it is the small, narrow, limited, uneducated, unpatriotic, pieces of shit like you that are directly responsible for the death of Bacevich's son.
Remember how the Brownshirts ran around trying to force people to believe exactly as they do, tolerating only a party line exactly as their own? Todays republi-cons are the nazi party. There is no difference.
Posted by phidipides at May 27, 2007 09:15 PMPhidipides, how right you are. These people are the brown shirts of today. Mr. Big Man spouting the Republican Nazi Party line. The biggest threat to these Nazi types are the people who love and believe in a Democracy, freedom of thought, freedom of speech, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and equality. Is it any wonder that we are the enemy. If only we could believe in the survival of the fittest doctrine, torture, spying on others, lying, war, death and destruction for money, they would embrace us as their brothers.
Posted by Judith at May 27, 2007 09:44 PMI have a question. How is it possible that the statements Mr. Bacevich made after his son's death are directly responsible for killing his son in the first place? Was there, like, a time warp or something? I think this nabbaflawhatsis guy's logic is a little off.
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 27, 2007 09:59 PMAndrew Bacevich, despite his unimaginable grief, has rendered his country a profound and enduring service by identifying the narrow corporate commercial interests responsible for the deceitful failed aggression that claimed his son's life. Where do we get such remarkable citizens as this father and son?
Certainly, it's not from the vast tribe of self proclaimed "real Americans" for whom chauvinist kitsch, blinkered obedience and single minded consumption are cheap substitutes for authentic service, critical examination and patriotic sacrifice. Unfortunately, the corporate agenda dictates national leadership reflecting the former while Andrew Bacevich is unmistakably the latter. No wonder feeble minds reflexively attack him as beltway princes politely try to marginalize him.
His son was killed in Iraq, but this grieving father has no illusions who is the real enemy. Neither do we, but more importantly so do a growing majority of angry, merciless and quite talented Americans. Many would find the words, "Follow me.", from Andrew Bacevich hard to resist.
Posted by Pvt. Keepout at May 27, 2007 10:02 PMIf I have to read one more word by you warhawks that that have never served, I will go to Oregon, buy myself a really nasty toy, and look you up in the phone book. Comprede?
Posted by tempus at May 27, 2007 11:40 PMnabalzbbfr does a perfect parody of a mindless wingnut douchebag chickenhawk robotically spouting the rethug talking points du jour. nice work!
Posted by ran at May 28, 2007 12:09 AMI will go to Oregon, buy myself a really nasty toy, and look you up in the phone book.
I don't mean to offend, but I'm unclear on how threats of violence will convince nebbakadohicky that peace is the answer. Seems to me, this kind of testosterone-laden posturing is what got us into the quagmire that killed Mr. Bacevich's son in the first place. And coming from a veteran who only yesterday was bemoaning the bloody cost of war, this outburst is rather ironic. Why stoop to the level of a troll? It's what he wants and you've just surrendered your values to engage someone not worth your time. War's easy; it's keeping the peace that's hard.
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 05:58 AMnabalshitferbrains sounds just like Bendito bot.
Writing incendiary idiotic wingnut commentary and then running away and hiding like a coward. Still want to know why s/he's not serving her/his country over on the front lines?
Needs serious disevowelling....but even more importantly needs to get rid of the hatred and anger that fills this things heart, but I doubt that this thing is capable of the human emotion of empathy and love. Way to lower yourself to the level of thinking of the boogeyman terrorist that you fear so much and that you think you are superior to moran*.
Posted by emal at May 28, 2007 06:40 AMErwin, not one person on this site believes in violence, especially Tempus who fought in a war, and neither do I. But when you read this kind of Republican Right-Wing wacko fundamentalists crap day in and day out for years, it gets really old. Tempus, a man who served his Country has ever right to unload. He has earned it.
Here we are on TLC trying to bring troops home to their families by protesting, writing, calling, and emailing our representatives and senators and we are called everything in the book by these wackos, including traitors by helping the enemy. Tempus (who served in the Gulf War) and Seven of Six and any other veteran on this site deserves respect from those who posts here, regardless of what they believe politically. They have earned the respect. How dare some pussy-whipped wuss come here and write that anyone here is helping the enemy.
Yes, your right, we all should ignore them. Most of the time we do. However, there is something about being told we are helping the enemy on Memorial Day when we have veterans here. They are not the enemy, they are the heros.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 06:49 AM"attacking our Commander in Chief encourages our fanatical enemies and prevents us from achieving the victory which is within our grasp."
What victory might that be? The victory of slaughtering thousands of men, women and children so we can get our hands on their one valuable resource, oil?
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 07:13 AMTempus, I am a child of the 60's. I have known and met too many veterans of VietNam. I have listened to their life-long struggle to find some peace, some forgiveness, some sense of sanity, some justification, and some understanding and compassion. The men and women in Iraq will return to face the same soul torturing questions that those in other wars have faced, and we are the ones who are labeled "not supporting the troops." Andrew Bacevich's name can be added to the list of heros.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 07:33 AMIt's unfortunate, but one day, we will have to choose sides in this patriotic upheavel.
It's obvious the politicians do not understand their constituents.
And yes, it might very well end in violence.
Which side will you be on Erin?
I will be next to tempus covering his back!
That is what soldiers and ex-soldiers do.
The Alabama Department of Homeland Security has taken down a Web site it operated that included gay rights and anti-war organizations in a list of groups that could include terrorists.
The Web site identified different types of terrorists, and included a list of groups it believed could spawn terrorists. The list also included environmentalists, animal rights advocates and abortion opponents.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070528/web-site-terror/
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 07:46 AMEveryone here seems to have a somewhat abstract view of War. Aside from mustering the courage to actually position oneself in harm's way, heroics consist, mainly, of self-preservation. War is ugly, loud, frightening, soul-destroying, smells bad and is best left to someone else. "Victory", to a combatant, is staying alive...going home. Those who suffer War most grievously are civilians and innocents caught in the middle.
Think about that when you gas up the Bulgemobile for your return trip from an extended weekend of petroleum-based recreation. Perhaps, wish Messieurs Bush and Cheney slow and painful deaths for what they've wrought.
Posted by godspeed, asteroid itokawa at May 28, 2007 07:50 AMbendejo, The war continues because we have an inept "Commander Guy". There was no strategy for exit, that was never the Administration's plan. Occupation, stall the public, make people like you hate another religion was their goal.
I can see it is still working.
Do me a favor, enlist!
Here is what Bracevich's son died for:
With allies in enemy ranks, GIs in Iraq are no longer true believers.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/27/news/delta.php
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 08:06 AM7 of 6, your right. Sounds like Benito
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 08:17 AMI realize I lost it when I made the comment about ""going to Oregon". I was simply thinking of friends I had met and lost, and friends I have met, and know that I could depend on when the shit hits the fan.
It was wrong, I know, but sometimes you just look at the larger situation, the reasons for young men and women dying, and you cannot help but be angry. Dying for Bush or Cheney? Good Gawd, is that ludicrous.
Please forgive me for being so crude. I did a great disservice to my brothers and sisters in arms. Incidentally, war is no way to settle any dispute. Ask anyone who's been in one. Seven and Tiki have kept their cool, but I had to be the asshole. I’m truly sorry.
Thank you, Judith and Seven. You're the best. I'm sorry I embarrassed you with my outburst. I guess I pulled a John McEnroe.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 08:40 AMI'm sorry, Erin. It just spewed out...
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 08:44 AMThe surge is working! The surge is working!! We're training them right and left! Good job, No Balls Be Freer! Your Mad King, idiot son of George, is fighting terror by increasing it. How inscrutable he must be in his wisdom. I bet you have real diffiuclty keeping up with his wisdom.
I’m truly sorry.
You spit in the face of republi-con nazi terror, tempus. There is nothing that needs to be forgiven.
Posted by phidipides at May 28, 2007 08:46 AMJudith, I admire your loyalty and your fervor in sticking up for your friend. Believe me, I know what TLC stands for and I admire the community here. I've followed it for a long time, though I've only just had the nerve to post. FYI, I've been spending this weekend writing letters of disappointment to all the democrats who voted for the capitualtion bill, telling them that they're going to have to earn back my support if they expect to get one more red cent or vote out of my family. I have family in Iraq doing what they must to survive, believe me I understand the sentiment behind tempus' outburst. I just don't agree that threats of violence are the way to go when dealing with brain-dead trolls.
And yes, it might very well end in violence.
Which side will you be on Erin?
I'll be right behind you with guns a-blazing the moment civil war breaks out in America, but until that happens, I'm going to advocate for peace in any way I can. The wingnuts are the ones who want to kill people just because they don't like what we say; I thought we were better than that.
I'm sorry, Erin. It just spewed out...
There's no need for apologies, just a little more self-awareness. If we're going to show we're better than the war-mongers and hate groups, we're going to have to be smarter, or it will end up in a civil war. They're itching for it, spurred on by the vile radio show cowards and vicious tv pundits. I don't know about you, but I'm not looking forward to it, because it will be ten times worse than Iraq or Rwanda, and this country will never recover from such a thing. Thank you, though, tempus, for understanding where I was coming from. Don't beat yourself up over it; we all get furious and feel out of control every once in a while. You're very lucky to have such good friends at your back. It certainly helps, doesn't it?
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 09:23 AMYou spit in the face of republi-con nazi terror, tempus. There is nothing that needs to be forgiven.
Phidipides, I second that.
Tempus you have absolutely nothing to apologize for, as my outbrust was certainly not very Christian was it? There isn't one person here who does not understand. Erin was saying what we all have said at one time or another, but anger got the best of both of us, but hey, we are entitled now and then. We all know your heart Tempus.
Erin, welcome TLC.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 09:36 AMYou're very lucky to have such good friends at your back. It certainly helps, doesn't it?
Erin, do you know I have never met anyone from either TLC or Low and Left (a sister blog, which sadly, no longer exists). Yet the friends I have been fortunate enough to converse with are the soul of America. Not the fundies, not the neo-cons, just beautiful people.
One day, we're going to have a huge barbeque, and you, Erin, are most certainly welcome. Please write whenever you want to. We will listen, I assure you. To my dear friends, thank you for making my day, as always.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 10:00 AMThanks, Judith and tempus, you don't know how much I appreciate your welcome here. Though I don't worship any deity, I'm more of a "Way of Peace" kind of person, I think your forgiveness shows you are a truer Christian than any of the idiots out there preaching their gospel of hate. If we don't get angry sometimes, we're not really human, are we? And anger in the defense of a friend warms my heart.
Still, Judith, you won't mind if I stand well behind you when the shooting starts? I get the feeling you'd be a berzerker in battle! ;)
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 10:04 AMphidipides, how could I forget to thank you! My mind is swiss cheese these days. Come to think of it, it's always been that way. No wonder I attract mice.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 10:19 AMStill, Judith, you won't mind if I stand well behind you when the shooting starts? I get the feeling you'd be a berzerker in battle! ;)
Erin, lmao. What can I say. I have the temper of my Irish ancestors and the stubbornness of my German heritage. Bad combination when I am on the war path. :)
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 10:21 AM"One day, we're going to have a huge barbeque, and you, Erin, are most certainly welcome."
Tempus, I hope someday we will have that barbeque. I have a wonder place here where we could all meet and it wouldn't cost anything. I would like very much to meet the people who have told me I am not crazy, while being out-of-step with the rest of the world.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 10:29 AM
Judith, looks like we have a lot in common, maybe even some ancestors! Woe betide the enemy that threatens the way of peace!
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 10:32 AMIn Soccerdad's post about cynical democrats, soccerdad wrote, "Let,s be clear, the Deocratic leadership is in no way interested in ending the ocupation of Iraq. Even the "antiwar" measures or ammendments advanced by Democrats would have left major troop commitments in Iraq for the forseeable future. What the Demopublicans want is the Iraqi government to pass the oil law and end the violence so that the oil business can get established."
From the perspective of the Demopublicans, this war was, is, and continues to be a rading success. The Military Establishment has been able greatly to extend its membership and power. The industries that supply the military are booming. There seems to be an unlimited supply of volunteers enthusiastically seeking to enlist to get into the glorious action. (If you read milblogs, you will observe that a large number of the posters really enjoy war fighting. The price of oil is kept at an artificially high leve due to the war risk. The American People continue idolize the military and rush to surrender their personal freedoms. The armchair warriers posture with the pride of the big American phallus being projected in the world. For many, this war is both fun and profitable. The Congress gets lots of attention lying about their support of the troops. And---
the war is fought without any real or measurable risk of physical danger to any of the leaders or to the great majority of Americans. To most of us, it is just a large video induced high. The supporters and the critics can enjoy getting worked up and excited about their positions. Great entertainment!
This is so different from earlier wars such as the Civil War, the Second World War, and the Cold war. The Iraqis simply pose us, here in the US, no risk whatsoever.
Certainly we have lost thousands of volunteers who have been killed and wounded. Those are celebrated with patriotic and glorius music and flag waving. But the number is really very small in relation to a population of 300 million. Few personally know anyone who has been killed or wounded. To most, the war is no more real than the local tv news about killings at the corner gas station. In fact, more have been killed in burglaries and local mayhem than have been killed or wounded in the war. More teens have died driving drunk or wrecklessly. is 10% higher than for similar non-holiday periods? According to National Safety Council estimates, as many as 548 traffic fatalities and 28,500 disabling injuries will occur this holiday weekend. Our nation has had almost as many Memorial Day traffic fatailities and disabling injuries since 2003 as we have in the whole war in Iraq. If you throw in the Fourth of July fatalities, we, Americans, kill more celebrating our patriotic heritage than we do fighting this war.
None of this is meant to denigrate the importance of the contribution of our service members and the tragedy of the war. It is to place the smallness of the risk of the war to the individual American. The size of the risk allows us to deal with the war in terms of our own fantasies and prejudices instead of in terms of real, existential fear that would engage us. Few have any existential fear of a trip to the beach or mountains, though it poses a far greater risk than this war. Unlike Vietnam, the fact that the war is fought with volunteers, makes it unreal to the non-warriers and armchair generals. No one fears a draft that would involuntarily set themselves at risk.
Until and unless the war generates a real, palpable risk to the average American, Congress and the Executive will be able to continue the war, paying only lip service to peace. The war is good for business and for those who dream of tightening the noose of authoritarian power over US.
Sadly, however, for the Iraqis, the war is a deadly demise. Of course, our media does not show us the blood and guts of the hundred and hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children slaughtered for our entertainment and profit.
I hate to be so cynical, but until we have a Tet Offensive we will not leave. The war is just too profitable and entertaining. It is enriching the war profiteers. If there is another 911, it will only stimulate the current military orgasm.
Sadly, on this Memorial Day, the prospects for peace are more slim than ever. Our nation is too full of guys like nabalzbbfr who have no ability to see the criminality of the enterprise where we are entertained by actions that earnestly lead to the death of hundreds of thousands and the destruction of an entire culture.
The war will continue for a long time. It will not end until we perfect the genocide of the Iraqi people and the theft of the oil or until the blowback kills a whole lot of us so that we can have an existential fear of continuing the atrocity.
Today's Memorial Day should be dedicated not only to our heroic fallen (many of whom are innocents who believed in the big lies of military patriotism abused by power hungry old men of the criminal ilk of Bush?Cheney), but also to the thousand-fold more innocents who have died as a result of our intoxication with military glory and power.
Erin, I am an atheist. Well, maybe a Deist. At any rate, it doesn't matter. All that does is a common cause, and friendship. Judith will chew my head off for the atheist bit, of course, but that's all right.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 10:38 AMThis guy nails it.
For in the neocon ideology, democracy is but a hindrance, an obstacle to be eliminated, for the will of the people interferes with the decisions of those in power. Democracy, therefore, must become a charade, an illusion designed to convey in the masses the feeling that their votes count, that their voice is heard.
Tempus, I hope someday we will have that barbeque.
Oh, just great! The last time we decided to have the barbequed lobsters down in Ensenada, Judith got hammered on Margueritas and decided the guy grilling the lobsters was "Just too damned cute!" What ensued is a blur, but the poor man got second degree burns unrelated to the fire that took out half of the resort and most of the dock. The only saving grace was iac doing her Carmen Miranda impression with a fruit bowel duct taped to her head.
Posted by phidipides at May 28, 2007 10:57 AMP-Dip, laugh out loud and roll on the floor! I almost choked on a Cheerio! What a pair!
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 11:44 AMErin: My Gawd is John Lennon.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 11:48 AMFruit bowel? As I recall, it was p-dip who thought it would be fun to try the kiwi enema. Surprisingly, no one else thought it was a good idea. And the money stuffed into my grass skirt paid for the fire damage, so don't knock it, baby!
Posted by iamcoyote at May 28, 2007 11:52 AMI wish I could write a response, coyote, but I know I can't.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 12:07 PMErin: My Gawd is John Lennon.
While his peace activism was and still is a light in dark times, I never was a big fan. Does that mean my welcome is rescinded?
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 12:10 PMNot at all, Erin. With your name, I suspect you like Bono or perhaps Enya. Irish, no? As long as you don't like Tom Jones, you are more than welcome.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 12:25 PMWith your name, I suspect you like Bono or perhaps Enya.
Sorry, your suspicions are wrong. If I bother with music at all, it's reggae or classical, and then only as background noise.
And before you say it, no, I won't be voting for Hillary because we're both women. I like to think that the decisions I make and the attitudes I take are based on thoughtful considerations of merit, rather than blind allegience to gender, race, creed or political affiliation. I can't say I always succeed, but I try. I'm sure that sounds snooty, and I apologize for it, but there it is.
I also apologize to soccerdad for straying from the topic of the post...
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 01:12 PMErin, I've always been fond of the Irish. Did you know that both John Lennon and Paul McCartney were Irish, though they were both born and raised in Liverpool (Liddypool to the locals).
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 01:32 PMErin, as long as you don't vote Republican, you are more than encouraged to vote for Jon Stewart, with Stephen Colbert as VP. Just a suggestion, mind you...
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 01:44 PMOh, just great! The last time we decided to have the barbequed lobsters down in Ensenada, Judith got hammered on Margueritas and decided the guy grilling the lobsters was "Just too damned cute!" What ensued is a blur, but the poor man got second degree burns unrelated to the fire that took out half of the resort and most of the dock. The only saving grace was iac doing her Carmen Miranda impression with a fruit bowel duct taped to her head.
Oh give me a break Phidipides. You are always blaming me for chasing some young stud, and meanwhile, your hut was busier than a five ring circus. I remember the fire that destoyed the resort story a little differently my dea., Iamcoyote and I both tried to warn you that you weren't a fire eater, but you just had to try it, didn't you?
The lobster griller was kinda cute, wasn't he.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 04:00 PM7 of 6, I've got a job for you and your friendly veterans. Many of these families have a need for counciling after their loss or injury from our war effort. This people need your experience and I'm sure you could use your compassion to help many of these people through it. Think about it.
Thank you 7 of 6 for your service to our country. It still is the United States of America. Our republic is still alive and well and you've had a lot to do with that. Thanks!
Posted by peter at May 28, 2007 04:06 PMTempus, now you know I wouldn't "chew your head off." Lucky for you, I am not a fundamentalist or Scout. (small smile)
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 04:09 PMPeter, I think Seven of Six is very involved with veterans groups.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 04:12 PMJudith and Coyote, you two are hilarious!!!
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 04:20 PMPeter, I've got a job for you, don't ever vote Republican again, and we won't have the wounded at Walter Reed, Bethesda, and other military hospitals around the world because of stupid Republican ideology. Think about it, you moron.
Posted by tempus at May 28, 2007 07:15 PMTempus, well Phidipides always starts it. It's his fault.
Posted by Judith at May 28, 2007 07:32 PM7 of 6, I've got a job for you and your friendly veterans.
If you knew anything about SoS you would know he serves Veterans as we speak. Beyond all he does, he's trying to keep individual Veterans alive when they wish to fulfill thanatos (that's post-Freudian, look it up so I don't have to say it). You'll find he doesn't much need to sing his own praises. So even your attempt at impugning him in this fashion is misguided. So sadly, once again, you have insulted one of the best amongst us.
I'm not surprised. You are the same type of person who would call Max Cleland a non-hero, or disabled Vets lazy fucks who should just stop bitching.
Iamcoyote and I both tried to warn you that you weren't a fire eater, but you just had to try it, didn't you?
As if you would know. The last thing I saw was that grill guy trying to escape over the plaster wall with you chasing after him like a Greyhound after a stuffed rabbit, all the time yelling "I got your Z-Visa right here, baby!" You were a hurdler on the track and field team in college, correct? I don't think he appreciated it when you made him stand against the wall, grabbed the skewered shrimp, and claimed you had been a knife thrower in the circus. On the other hand, it was a cheap vasectomy.
And the money stuffed into my grass skirt paid for the fire damage, so don't knock it, baby!
Acapulco Gold! That ain't fire damage!
Don't let these guys fool you. Erin. It's generally not this bad at our Left Coaster Conventions. It's much much worse.
Tempus, well Phidipides always starts it. It's his fault.
And Judith is not loyal at all...unless you have the Polaroids!
Posted by phidipides at May 28, 2007 07:45 PMIt's generally not this bad at our Left Coaster Conventions.
It sounds like Sunday dinner at my parents' house. I'll have to sign up for the next one, won't I?
Posted by Erin Alecto at May 28, 2007 07:51 PMPhid, no impugning there, all heartfelt. ABC did a story the other day about vets, Vietnam vets helping the survivor families out. That's all I was suggesting. If an insult was thrown, it wasn't by me. Find a disparaging remark from this person on Senator Cleland. Not going to find it. Find a disparaging remark about vets from me. Not going to find it.
Voting is not a job, it's a privilege. I enjoy my privileges often. My children enjoy their privileges too.
Posted by peter at May 28, 2007 08:58 PMIt sounds like Sunday dinner at my parents' house. I'll have to sign up for the next one, won't I?
Erins buying the first round!!!!
Posted by phidipides at May 28, 2007 09:27 PMIs it possible that Peter is not the troll Peter? If it is the same Peter, then his attitude has changed considerably. Perhaps an 'awakening?'
Phidipides, the lobster griller just wasn't cooperating, what can I say. Oh, by-the-way, that was no vasectomy.
Phid, no impugning there, all heartfelt.
I was in a rage. If you sincerely mean that no insult or slight was intended, I will accept that and stand corrected.
Republi-cons still suck.
Posted by phidipides at May 28, 2007 09:34 PMphid, Once again, you humble me.
peter, I feel that by working to make the Government uphold it's promises to the soldier is the best way we can serve them. They are being fucked by bu$h and this Administration. Past Republi-con committee leaders, Rep. Steve Buyer and Senator Larry Craig did bu$h'$ bidding and have done more damage when they were in charge than any other committee leaders.
I have stood in the soup serving lines at homeless Vet shelters, given them money, volunteered at the VA Hospital here in Phoenix, handed out cold water to the homeless Vets in the heat, at the same time trying to keep my own health and sanity strong.
If you believe so strongly in bu$h'$ occupation, I suggest you urge your sons and daughters to sign up. Have them prove their honor if it's such a noble cause and privilege!
Posted by Seven of Six at May 28, 2007 09:55 PMSeven, no wonder I think so much of you. One of the "greatest of them all." And knowing you are at my back lets me sleep nights. Thank you, and you know I mean that.
Posted by tempus at May 29, 2007 03:44 AM