Is there a mention of PNAC? Neo-con plans they are still following to this day.
Posted by Seven of Six at July 23, 2007 08:51 AMGreat, great post!!
Nothing to add, really, except it seems a shame that Deadeye Dick's security "obsession" didn't manifest itself in the summer of 2001, when perhaps it might have done us some good.
I suspect that this is the first volley of Rove's messaging on what to say in defense of Deadeye upon impeachment---"All this good, selfless man is tryin' to do, day after day, is protect you, and THIS is the thanks he gets! Demonic, traitorous Dems!" (Numbskull BushAmericans begin weeping.....corporate press takes it all down, etc., etc.)
Posted by euzoius at July 23, 2007 08:55 AMI suspect that this is the first volley of Rove's messaging on what to say in defense of Deadeye upon impeachment---
Or that Rove's gonna be his campaign manager for a "08" presidential run. *chokes on coffee*
Posted by Seven of Six at July 23, 2007 09:09 AMImpeach Cheney; then impeach Bush.
Posted by Christopher at July 23, 2007 09:32 AMAs long as fiction reigns supreme, this country will always be retarded by comparison to other nations that value education and random thought.
If we keep allowing the simple to talk about their intelligent design, we will get what we pay for. I think it is a good indicator of how how little they trust their own judgement. They don't believe the religion nonsense either, but they allow it to rule them?
but hey, what is this world without a religious war running all the time? your answer here:
this book looks like the start of the Cheney 08 campaign to me..
Posted by T2 at July 23, 2007 10:04 AMmy apologies, it looks rather off topic as I erased the first paragraph by accident
Trust in someone fixing your troubles is how you get in to them. If you worry about your troubles instead of worrying how to fix them, they provide you with endless worry and trouble. Reliance on someone incompetent to fix your problems and you have those above troubles, squared and cubed. Everyone in the WH relies on shooter to fix things, as he is the "smart" one that they look up to. Since he is now representing all that is smart to these "followers" that actually look up to him as being intelligent and godlike.
Posted by oldtree at July 23, 2007 10:12 AMLet's not forget the "history" and "credibliity" of the man, Stephen Hayes that Cheney chose to be his official biographer. He's another one Cheney's Judith Miller type characters. An eager and willing member of the press to which Cheneyco leaked erroneous information (in this case bogus Feith produced documents) to knowing full well he would run with this information citing the information via anonymous gov't sources as proof positive....(because Cheney knows full well these friendly stenographers certainly aren't going to get another unbiased source to fact check or confirm what Cheneyco just handed him). The next step in completing the the misinformation loop occurs after these stories, filled with all sorts of misinformation, are written. Cheney goes out into other media circles/venues and points to these "news" articles as confirmation of what Cheney has been saying all along. Yup the master at gov't laundering of false information and misinformation through friendly cherrypicked stenographers.
Anyway, I must admit, I do enjoy reading historical fiction. Although Hayes claims he is no historian. Well another create your own biograph.... eerrrr... reality summer fantasy novel sounds like it will bring a good laugh. Nice post.
Posted by at July 23, 2007 10:52 AMD'oh! ^ post by me.
Posted by emal at July 23, 2007 10:54 AM"Instead of giving Cheney a pass, he should be impeached for failing to defend the country." -(Steve Soto)
-Failing to defend the country is far, far down the list of Cheney's crimes.
Vicious crimes against humanity are probably not impeachable offenses for most Americans and their beloved constitution. We all know that ONLY American deaths matter.
Failure to defend America from the blow back it has so richly deserved, would have to imprison the entire bipartisan coterie of the American Foreign policy elite (including the corporate rich) going back 40, if not 50 years. Putting Cheney away would be meaningless. He would be scapegoated by the system which produced him.
Perhaps he can be parachuted, alone, into a little town called Fallujah, in the evening twilight...
The 9/11 attacks (if they were not self-administered) had been a long, long time coming.
Is that even something remotely arguable?
How to stop such attacks and defend the country?
Americans have to stop acting like Americans.
In fact, they have to stop being Americans.
They have to join the human race, as partners in the international project.
Then you have Hillary.
Posted by Jill Bains at July 23, 2007 11:25 AMSteve,
Excellent post & good first draft of this despicable man's horrific crimes. Also appreciated is the identification of Total Dick as a blundering ignoramus and the numerical tabulation. May successive iterations include the following US Code violations:
0. Coconspirator in US federal election vote fraud ('00,'02,'04&'06) to defy & reverse the electorate's will.
6.1 Coconspirator in waging overt aggressive war, the supreme international crime, against the nation & people of Iraq killing and wounding millions of people.
16. Coconspirator in waging overt aggressive war, the supreme international war crime, against the nation and people of Lebanon killing & wounding thousands of people.
17. Coconspirator in waging covert & to wage overt aggressive war, the supreme international war crime, against the nation and people of Iran killing & wounding hundreds of people.
18. Coconspirator in illegally seeking to influence the Palestinian national parliamentary election ('06) to defy & reverse the electorate's will.
19. Coconspirator in waging covert aggressive war ('06-pres), the supreme international crime, against the people of Palestine killing and wounding hundreds.
20. Coconspirator in violating the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Article 6 by failing to diminish and expanding the US nuclear arsenal's quantity and lethality.
Failing impeachment, these should keep Mr. Other Priorities' sunset years interesting until the clay's finally and irrrevocably put in his mouth. No doubt other TLCers can expand this list to infinity.
He's obsessed with "security" alright - the security AND limitless prosperity and pleasure of about 2000 of his closest friends. Everybody else is expendable.
Posted by semiot at July 23, 2007 11:45 AMcheney - "obsessed with making us more secure"??? To borrow a line from an old TV show, 'gales of derisive laughter'. He/they are obsessed with the power of the current virtual dictatorship. There is no remedy except for the one that they can't ignore = impeachment, followed by prison.
Posted by jwrjr at July 23, 2007 11:47 AMThis book sounds pretty grim.
It should be in the same section as the Grimm Brothers' works.
Posted by TIKI AL at July 23, 2007 12:22 PMStill waiting for Pelosi to put impeachment on the table. Still waitig for Congress to wake up and start playing hard ball with these thugs in the WH. Read this about Peter DeFazio being denied access to DHS document even though he's an HSC memeber with proper security cleatance. I'm afraid we're about to embark from a point of no return.
http://economistsview.typepad.com/
Posted by wd4 at July 23, 2007 12:31 PMIt should be in the same section as the Grimm Brothers' works.
Either that, or under the counter with all the other porn.
Still waiting for Pelosi to put impeachment on the table.
Might want to get on with your life. Before Articles are filed, there has to be an inquiry, and that hasn't happened yet, so it's not gonna happ'n. If Feingold is talking against it, there's not much hope for the rest of them.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 12:53 PMFrom The Atlantic:
Early in 2001, the commission presented a report to the incoming G.W. Bush administration warning that terrorism would be the nation's greatest national security problem, and saying that unless the United States took proper protective measures a terrorist attack was likely within its borders. Neither the president nor the vice president nor any other senior official from the new administration took time to meet with the commission members or hear about their findings.
The commission had 14 members, split 7-7, Republican and Democrat, as is de rigeur for bodies of this type. Today Hart told me that in the first few meetings, commission members would go around the room and volunteer their ideas about the nation's greatest vulnerabilities, most urgent needs, and so on.
At the first meeting, one Republican woman on the commission said that the overwhelming threat was from China. Sooner or later the U.S. would end up in a military showdown with the Chinese Communists. There was no avoiding it, and we would only make ourselves weaker by waiting. No one else spoke up in support.
The same thing happened at the second meeting -- discussion from other commissioners about terrorism, nuclear proliferation, anarchy of failed states, etc, and then this one woman warning about the looming Chinese menace. And the third meeting too. Perhaps more.
Finally, in frustration, this woman left the commission.
"Her name was Lynne Cheney," Hart said. "I am convinced that if it had not been for 9/11, we would be in a military showdown with China today." Not because of what China was doing, threatening, or intending, he made clear, but because of the assumptions the Administration brought with it when taking office. (My impression is that Chinese leaders know this too, which is why there are relatively few complaints from China about the Iraq war. They know that it got the U.S. off China's back!)
Still waiting for Pelosi to put impeachment on the table.
Welcome to the majority opinion of the American people, wd4.
By a margin of 53% to 42%, Americans want Congress to impeach President Bush if he lied about the war in Iraq. It's a no-brainer, except to those dolts who think Russ Feingold is in the US House.
Luckily, their numbers are few.
Posted by Christopher at July 23, 2007 02:00 PM"...and saying that unless the United States took proper protective measures a terrorist attack was likely within its borders."
-(From The Atlantic, cited by cheSF)
But at this time it was already too late. 50 years of a ruthless, criminal bipartisan consensus by the American foreign policy elite could not have stopped anything.
America had to be paid back. Its crimes ran too deep.
The only way to stop future attacks was to stop BEING America.
America would rather have endless world wars than try to modify its rapaciousness and death driven demiurge than voluntarily succumb to a more humble role.
*Hello Che, welcome from Digby.
-Jill B.
Yeah, what idiot would think Feingold's in the House? He's a Senator, as we all know; a real American Patriot. If he's against impeachment, then impeachment is truly off the table, innit? Maybe someone's just got a little reading comprehension problem, and was conflating things looking to gotcha someone, huh?
cheSF - Maybe the Iran rush is an attempt to get at China by proxy, since they've been doing deals while the admin's been distracted with trying to steal Iraq's oil?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 02:16 PMMaybe someone's just got a little reading comprehension problem, and was conflating things looking to gotcha someone, huh?
Who would be so petty!?
Posted by snark at July 23, 2007 02:20 PMAh, the sound of the echo chamber! LMAO!
Posted by Christopher at July 23, 2007 02:23 PMWho would be so petty!?
I can't imagine. But I've heard impeachment talk makes some folks wakidoodle. They start commenting in outdated acronyms and too-forced frivolity. Not a pretty sight, really.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 02:33 PMAll this talk about whether there will be impeachment or will not be impeachment; whether to impeach Cheney or whether to impeach Bush- and in which order- are taking on the all the grey dullness of an armchair parlor game populated by grannies, which is exactly what they are.
Perhaps if you tendered arguments reconsidering one's position on the death penalty for mass murder crimes of an awful, ongoing vileness...
Would that be more apropos?
As it is, the discussion resembles nothing except perhaps the high drama experienced by one looking forward to brushing his teeth.
Posted by Jill Bains at July 23, 2007 02:43 PMIt's a no-brainer, except to those dolts who think Russ Feingold is in the US House.
Luckily, their numbers are few.
Posted by Christopher at July 23, 2007 02:00 PM
Outside of Madison, Feingold is an embarrassment to the State Of Wisconsin. Really does not make a difference what or where he is.
But seriously, Steve, who's going to buy this book? And who (besides the wingnuts impressed with power) believes he's got an altruistic bone in his cyborg body? This garbage is just an excuse for people like Hannity to point at a book and say "see, he only wanted to protect us!" Cheney's never polled well, even before 9-11; no book pointing's going to fix it now.
Outside of Madison, Feingold is an embarrassment
Hmm. O'Reilly says the devil lives in Madison, and the people love them some Satan there. Are you saying Feingold is Satan, then?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 03:19 PM"Yeah, what idiot would think Feingold's in the House? He's a Senator, as we all know; a real American Patriot." (Coyoyte)
-Feingold is a good guy for the most part. But sadly, perhaps, Americans with the highest intelligence don't know if he is in the Senate or the House.
Showing an excessive concern for such minutiae only shows that one has already bought in too deeply into the American system to think clearly about something from which no good can ever come.
Keeping up on the coming and goings of the American electoral personae is to risk believing what they actually say to be true, and diminishing one's intelligence.
And worse, to think that what they actually do matters at all precludes one from ever being able to understand America.
Calling anyone "a real American Patriot" is insulting at best except in strictly fascist company; one could easily have substituted 'war criminal' for the sake of clarity.
America has forever given the term 'patriot' a martial connotation, reeking of death and war, a meaning which can no longer ever be rescued from evil, if it ever could.
The sooner all belief in patriotism, and its baleful twin nationalism are stamped out, the better we will all be.
Russ Feingold deserves better than to be affronted, despite being a U.S. Senator.
Posted by Jill Bains at July 23, 2007 03:55 PMand the people love them some Satan there. Are you saying Feingold is Satan, then?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 03:19 PM
No. just a wannabe Wellstone joke.
Well, Hoke, if you wanna be someone, it might as well be Wellstone, eh? Better than wanting to emulate Darth Cheney, don't you think?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 05:40 PMWell, Hoke, if you wanna be someone, it might as well be Wellstone, eh? Better than wanting to emulate Darth Cheney, don't you think?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 23, 2007 05:40 PM
No
Steve right on with this post. I really hope we can see justice done. It will take all of us yelling screaming and of course disagreeing and getting it a little wrong. but acting like Americans used to act, and not afraid of our own shadows!! Impeach!!
Posted by LarkinsJapn at July 24, 2007 06:13 AMJ(H)oke, you're not exactly a master of witty byplay and clever exchanges, are you?
"No"
Back to Freeperville.
Posted by euzoius at July 24, 2007 06:36 AM