I couldn't believe this article. A 13 year old boy is arrested for slapping fellow female classmates on the rear. He face the possibility of some jail time or registering for life as a sex offender. In this politically correct society, have we gone fucking crazy?
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/boys-face-trial-over-slapping-charges/20070724153509990001
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:05 AMFORT LEWIS, Wash. — Twenty soldiers deployed to Iraq from this Army base were killed in May, a monthly high. That same month, the base announced a change in how it would honor its dead: instead of units holding services after each death, they would be held collectively once a month.
“As much as we would like to think otherwise, I am afraid that with the number of soldiers we now have in harm’s way, our losses will preclude us from continuing to do individual memorial ceremonies,” Brig. Gen. William Troy, who was the interim commander at Fort Lewis at the time, wrote in an e-mail message announcing the policy in May.
So, the individual soldier no longer needs an individual memorial. Just lump them all together once a month, and move on. I'm sure the veterans of other wars will be happy to know that you are to much of a burden to the military for your own personal memorial. What's next. No flag draped coffin because the expense is too much?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/us/25funeral.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:25 AMJudith,
I realize the outrage machine is in overdrive these days but...
I wonder how many soldiers they could lose a month if all they did was plan and attend memorial services? Think about what you wrote. Who do you think cares more about the dead soldiers than the other soldiers they served with? Stop being outraged for a moment and think.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 03:55 AMHere's another fun story:
GOP fundraiser to feature machine gun shoot
MANCHESTER – City Republicans will be packing some serious firepower at their next party fundraiser.
Tired of the usual chicken dinners, the Manchester Republican Committee is planning to arm supporters next month with Uzis, M-16 rifles and other automatic weapons for a day of target practice at a Pelham firing range.
"The thought just struck me one day: a machine gun shoot. What the heck?" said Jerry Thibodeau, the committee chairman.
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=GOP+fundraiser+to+feature+machine+gun+shoot&articleId=dff9058f-d867-4f10-8894-8ce94d13268b
This story reminds me of my friend Bill, who believes that the one fact that Bush&Co. have forgotten is that this Country is heavily armed.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 04:00 AMSnark, I'm not outraged for beginners. I thought the story was quit sad. I'm not sure I get your point.
"At Fort Lewis, however, tension has been evident; changing a ritual, especially as the death toll is rising, strikes some as disrespectful."
“By reducing it to once a month, I think they’re taking away from us,” said Staff Sgt. Jason Angelle. “Soldiers deserve individual honors.”
It is becoming increasingly clear that all the preaching of “family values” that has provided the votes necessary to send this nation into a Constitutional crisis were just a cover up for the randy behavior of its proponents. Time after time those most vocal about the perils of “loose morals” were themselves diddling strangers and engaging in the very behaviors they were telling others were morally reprehensible. The next time you hear someone telling you how allowing gays to marry each other would threaten your marriage and the very foundations of America, you are probably going to ask yourself “I wonder what he is covering up?” Phil Hoskins/Capitol Hill Blues
That old adage about protesting too much comes to mind. Right Foley?
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 04:59 AMSnark, I'm not outraged for beginners.
Oh no, I understand your outrage is quite beyond the beginner stage.
So, the individual soldier no longer needs an individual memorial. Just lump them all together once a month, and move on. I'm sure the veterans of other wars will be happy to know that you are to much of a burden to the military for your own personal memorial. What's next. No flag draped coffin because the expense is too much?
Sorry I mistook that for outrage. Were you just being funny?
I'm not sure I get your point.
Of course individual soldiers are going to be upset that their buddies aren't getting individual memorials. That's completely understandable. But to conflate the need to unify memorials with a fantasy that flag draped coffins will disappear next has a distinct flavor of agitprop to it. That's my point.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 05:05 AMand are overwhelmingly anti-Osama bin Laden.
But the American MSM refuses to report this.
In George Bush's Murika, Muslims are the bad guys -- they're the Klingons before they joined the Federation. This administration must have an enemy to dangle in-front of the sheeple.
Posted by Christopher at July 25, 2007 05:07 AMStop being outraged for a moment and think. - snark
Who the hell do you think you are, snark? Judith happens to be one of the most thoughtful and engaged regulars on TLC. Her comments are always on the money. You, on the otherhand, are one of the dimmest.
Posted by Christopher at July 25, 2007 05:12 AMHaving been in the military myself, I know that snark's right. Remember, this is just the military memorial at the base chapel; the soldier will get an individual funeral when the family takes custody of the body. No military honors are lost, no funeral is lumped together. Ft. Lewis is the home of Stryker Brigade; they've sustained high numbers of casualties consistently over the occupation. This action is normal; it also allows people to gather together in grief all at once rather than smatterings being able to attend every day during lunch. There's enough outrage out there already, do you really need to manufacture it for this?
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 05:43 AMI see the Manchester Union Leader & NH Republicans are maintaining their normal paths of lunatic wingnuttery. Scary thing is, that could be quite a successful little event in terms of getting warm bodies. But since most gun fans are small-scale donors, they're not going to pick up much in return. I know that if they had a similar shoot in my new county, they'd get tons of enthusiasts out for the chance to shoot a "banned or endandgered" automatic weapon. (and you may think of all the sexual references you want, from prick size to passing around the hooker).
Posted by idiosynchronic at July 25, 2007 06:17 AMCan we stop the violence here and have some fun? Can we IMAGINE what the cleanup will be like once this Bush and Cheney are (a)impeached (SURE)!! (b)Leave office after another eight years? (c)Leave office peacefully in 2008.
Will shit like them ever happen again? We had Nixon, and Reagan was elected; we had Reagan, and Bush One was elected. Do we ever learn? Do we ENJOY suffering under despots?
Gimme some examples of countries coming back after darkness fell. Germany? Japan? Will we come back like them, still pretty cool, but with that awful, nagging feeling that we are really shitty people to allow despots to rule in the first place, in other words: TARNISHED!
I have NO SUCH HOPE for a clean start. Bush and Cheney have damaged so fearfull we have nowhere to go but deeper into the hole and we wind up mirroring the population illustrated in the movie "Children of Men."
Posted by Mal Feasance at July 25, 2007 06:33 AMBesides sounding like an overemotional turd, here's another thott: Which Dem candidate has suggested reversing Bush's tax cuts for the rich?
Thanks Christopher. I am sorry I even mentioned the whole thing. I guess the only people who have a right to comment on this decision are the people it affects, and they don't seem to be happy about it.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 06:37 AM"Snark, I'm not outraged for beginners."
Judith
"Oh no, I understand your outrage is quite beyond the beginner stage."
Snark
Now that was funny (laughing).
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 06:40 AM"Uzis, M-16 rifles and other automatic weapons for a day of target practice."
Woo Hoo, I get to shoot me an Uzis. Is this Country great or what!
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 06:45 AM"Muslims have come out against suicide bombings against civilians and are overwhelmingly anti-Osama bin Laden."
Well, that's a news story that you will never hear about on the MSM. Got to keep hate alive.
"Judith happens to be one of the most thoughtful..."
Christopher, sorry to say, but recently a new troll has joined TLC and I haven't been exactly "thoughtful." Oh well, I shall do better in the future.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 07:25 AMJudith, you have a right to comment on anything you like; and we all know how much you care for the soldiers. I think it was the person writing the article that tried to gin up a controversy where none existed. WA State is pretty liberal, at least west of the mountains, where most of the population lives - there are protests in front of Ft. Lewis all the time. I can understand the Staff Sgt wanting to honor all his troops, he's probably had many of his men die - but the only memorial I've been to for an individual has been when one troop died; the rest were collective - like for the entire flight crew of a downed plane.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 07:28 AMIamcoyote, thanks for the couragement. Yes, I do care very much about the troops and want them home, period. War, since I was a child, was something that I never understood. I was raised in a home that taught me to love ALL of humanity, not just the ones who looked like you are thought like you.
I didn't know you were in the military. Then you understand better than I do about what that story means to the families. I think you are right, the individual writing the story "tried to gin up a controversy where none existed." If it hadn't been 3:25 in the morning, I probably would not have posted the story. It's those early morning hours that fuzzy-up the brain. Actually, Mal and I should have been together drinking at that hour.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 08:04 AMThe word is "encouragement." Gads!
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 08:05 AMHee hee, I figured as much. And I understand. Pretty much each base commander sets the policies of their base, so it's not the same all around, but, as I said, Ft. Lewis has had a large proportion of the casualties because of the Strykers. Sad sad sad.
I've shot an AK47 before (my ex got it for Valentine's Day just before the ban in CA), it was nothing special, just raking the side of a hill - not very accurate. I was really good with a 22, much more fun when you can hit what you're shooting at. But boy, some of them guys on the range - my ex and his bro almost took down another shooter when his laser sight showed up on my back as I was setting up targets - I didn't know 'til later. Fookin' A! There are some dangerous critters on the range, I'll tell ya.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 08:16 AMFuckin' A! W finally found a guy with a lower approval rating than him.
No wonder he's not that concerned about killing Osama.
Posted by God Of War at July 25, 2007 08:39 AMActually what Judith is talking about is a change in policy at Army bases around the country. That same month, the base announced a change in how it would honor its dead: instead of units holding services after each death, they would be held collectively once a month. It's not only Ft. Lewis, it's also Ft. Carson (twice a month), Ft. Benning, Ft. Stewart, Ft. Hood, etc.
The real point is that they are too many funeral services to have individual services anymore. It's called a high casualty rate. Each ceremony requires significant planning and coordination by the rear detachments of the deployed units, particularly if a soldier’s family comes to the post for the event. It takes a lot of time and soldiers to conduct military honor guard details.
What the outrage to me is, is that it's kind of an assembly line funeral now. Let's line em' up, fold the flags up and hand em' out. Gotta get back to work, no time for grieving (on base time), get your mind off of being down, takes away from training and getting the real work done. And don't forget the donuts and coffee Specialist Smith!
And unfortunately, this is the first time this has happened probably since the Vietnam War. So I have to disagree about this action is normal.
Remember folks, it goes back to the bu$h administration's plan. On the eve of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Pentagon issued a directive to the media forbidding any coverage of returning American coffins. No coffins, no funerals, no wounds, no tears. We've been deprived of the opportunity to check in with our consciences and our compassion.
So yeah, the outrage is still there. Just one of the many against the bu$h administration.
Posted by Seven of Six at July 25, 2007 09:26 AMI am sorry I even mentioned the whole thing. I guess the only people who have a right to comment on this decision are the people it affects, and they don't seem to be happy about it.
Judith,
If you don't want a response to the things you post then fine, I won't respond. But your "I guess only those affected have the right to comment" comment is BS. Because if it's not then I have as much right to critique your commentary as you have to post it here. I didn't tell you to not comment. I responded. Again, if you'd rather I don't I'll happily oblige.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 09:36 AMThe real point is that they are too many funeral services to have individual services anymore. It's called a high casualty rate. Each ceremony requires significant planning and coordination by the rear detachments of the deployed units, particularly if a soldier’s family comes to the post for the event. It takes a lot of time and soldiers to conduct military honor guard details.
Hence my apparently dim comment about soldiers spending all their time memorializing other soldiers taking away from the work needed to be done to try and keep as many of the living alive as possible.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 09:38 AMSoS, as you say, it's a change due to the high casualty rate because of war - that change is normal - what's abnormal is the reason for the high casualty rate. And while they may do the flag ceremony, I don't think it is the official funeral, these are memorials to give the command a chance to honor the soldiers. The funerals are a separate, family thing, unless they choose to have the whole shebang in the command, in which case, one would think the family understands the logistics and accepts how it's done.
Really, I don't believe this is meant as an assembly line thing, it's a reaction to the high casualty rate, which is the real outrage here. I don't believe base commanders would do anything to dishonor their fallen comrades; their job is keep the mission going as efficiently as the military is able to do. I wish it weren't so, but it's the way things are done. I very much doubt anyone there sees it as an attempt to downplay the grieving, SoS, though that kind of "butch up, hide your pain" attitude is already part of military culture, as you well know, which is why it's difficult for soldiers to admit to needing counseling, and are stigmatized when they seek it!
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 10:06 AMSeven, you are so very right. The bastards.
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 10:13 AM"But only 34% thought that suicide bombings against civilians were sometimes or often justified -- down from 74% ... Support for Bin Laden plummeted from 20% to 1% ..." -(Mary)
-If one is a poll believer the key statistics here are the 74% and the 20% figures respectively, the high readings.
That at one time so many assented to suicide bombings is what is significant, not the diminishment, disparity or the flux in the percentile over time.
That at one time, allegedly, so many assented to or supported suicide bombings to even allow themselves to be polled as such is a grim figure, and is all telling; the reduction in the percentile is scant comfort.
Similarly this is analogous to the poll numbers of George W. Bush, both at the summit of his popularity, and the relative lows he now enjoys.
What is obvious, in both cases, is that if they ever once supported suicide bombing or George W. Bush, they could easily do so again.
What is important is that HIS POPULARITY WAS ONCE SO HIGH WHERE SOME 9 OUT OF 10, 90%. would support him. This simply says that given the circumstances, they could easily reach these highs again. 90% is ominous and extremely terrifying.
And that even now, as much as 25% CONTINUE TO SUPPORT HIM, is not only disturbing, but scandalous.
Really, I don't believe this is meant as an assembly line thing...
It's sad that Honor Guard Details have come to group sessions. It never used to be that way. For the soldier working in the motorpool or in the offices, it's probably a disappointment.
As a soldier who has participated in the Honor Guard Details at Military Funerals, it's the pride of the individual ceremony. Details are usually for a week at a time. Sometimes I would do 10 a week. Getting orders for the ceremony, cleaning your dress uniforms, the marching, the 21 gun salute, lowering the flag, folding the flag, etc. The whole tribute to the individual who has fallen, is part of soldiering. Part of what you train for.
That has fallen by the wayside, the command is making it less significant. Maybe not intentional but it is. Now every death for the soldier in Iraq is grouped together.
This doesn't happen to WWII or Korean vets who have died and requested individual ceremonies.
I really think it should be up to the families. If they want an individual ceremony, it should be granted.
It's good that this was brought up by Judith. I needed to talk about it. Thanks Judith.
Posted by Seven of Six at July 25, 2007 10:54 AMYou can add your support for Censure here.
Russ is the best and should be our next prez. He gets it.
I think that Censure is only the first step and once the Congress sees how much support there is for it they will jump on the impeachment train.
Posted by Anjha at July 25, 2007 11:05 AMHey Anjha! Good to see ya.
SoS, I'm glad Judith brought it up, too - I know it's a painful subject for ya, but it should be out in the open. It is a part of the simultaneous putting up on a pedestal, yet sweeping under the rug soldiers' lot that's gotten little press under this admin. And thanks for your perspective; all my memorials were peacetime accidents, and definitely not the same kind of service.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 11:17 AMHey Anjha! Good to see ya.
'Tis good to be seen.
I am late getting into the office. We are almost all settled up with the insurance company. This whole year of upheaval should be over soon and then we should be able to finish putting our house together.
Housewarming party in August I think.
Maybe we will have some normalcy soon. You should see the house though, now that it is pretty much done.
Beeeuuutiful. Truly.
Posted by Anjha at July 25, 2007 11:29 AM"But your "I guess only those affected have the right to comment" comment is BS. Because if it's not then I have as much right to critique your commentary as you have to post it here. I didn't tell you to not comment." -(snark)
-Snark, you have stumbled upon one of Judith's fascistic obsessions, to be the 'Homeland security' chieftain of this blog.
Seeking to enforce an overweening standard of an almost proprietary dullness she has succeeded in enforcing an all pervasive intellectual dishonesty of a very low quality.
This self appointed duty she performs with an obscene 'blog specific' patriotism, were it not so laughable in its mule headed stupidity, perhaps a higher quality of commentator would populate the blog.
Most serious people, seeing the hide bound provinciality she seeks to impose, along with censorious tendencies, just won't make the effort. Why bother to engage a mule headed den mother?
She is one of that species of American who have so internalized this characteristic of the national fascism, they have allowed the 'opposition' to Bushian fascism to assume, the same qualities as the opponent.
Turning the blog into a private club of supplicants, the public forum aspects are destroyed or ground into a permanent, hardened mediocrity.
"Doctors, cut, burn and torture the sick, and then demand from them an undeserved fee for such services."
-(Plotinus,The Enneads)
"Donkeys would prefer straw to gold."
-(Heraclitus, Fragment 102)
"Is that not flames, the conflagration of the Green Zone blazing into the horizon...as all humanity comes together in joy..."
Posted by Jill Bains at July 25, 2007 11:38 AMAnjha, I can't wait to see it, I'm so envious of your kitchen, now mine will never do.
Judith, don't take the bait, pleeeease!
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 11:43 AMBlah, blah, blahblahblah...
Posted by Jill Bains at July 25, 2007 11:38 AM
Oy.
What a waste of three-syllable-words.
"Intellectual dishonesty" is using one's ability to make use of a thesaurus to tear someone to shreds.
"Open Thread" is not automatic permission to spew hatred and judgment.
Me thinks that "a higher quality of commentator would populate the blog" if they were not subjected to the vileness of one's "self-appointed" authority to analyze the posts and the people who posted them.
Then again, I never thought that there was any problem with the quality of the people who comment here....
until reading the crap posted at 11:38 am.
Posted by Anjha at July 25, 2007 12:24 PMAnd In the News:
(Vice)President Dick Cheney has just announced that according to his scientists, we are approaching another ice-age. No evidence was provided, but he stated in on Fox News, so it must be true.
General David H. Petraeus was quoted this morning as being a Progressive, who intends to vote Dem in the 2008 election, and pull all of the US troops out of Iraq “before the leaves fall”.
Senior political advisor Karl Rove admitted that “he is not from this solar system.” He didn’t elaborate.
G.W. Bush has won a Boy Scout badge for cutting brush. He failed his bicycle license, however.
Attorney General Gonzales has been arrested for having “illegal sex” with a former White House reporter. He has stated “I don’t remember the incident, but my doctor apparently does.”
Former White House council Harriet Ellan Miers has been arrested for prostitution in Bingo, Texas. She claims she needed the money for legal defence, and that “I haven’t got it for years”, whatever that means.
Gald to have you back in rare form tempus!
It truly was missed!
Posted by Seven of Six at July 25, 2007 01:41 PMSeven, I'll believe that when they stop building Camp Renegade, between Mosul and Kirkuk. Gee, I wonder why they would build an 'enduring' base there? There is nothing there but sand and oil...
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 01:47 PMP.S.: Thank you Seven, I just got out of the hospital, and discovered my van was stolen. Good Gawd! I hope everyone is well and happy!
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 01:51 PMI just got out of the hospital, and discovered my van was stolen.
You don't live in it DOWN BY THE RIVER do you?
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 02:01 PMsnark, I'm lucky I'm not living with the fishes. How have you been?
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 02:06 PMI'm good.
But a bit dim some would say.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 02:12 PM"living with the fish". Sorry. Poor grammar. Too many codeine pills...however, I still have the Beatles, and even Zep. And no, I have a decent place, not a van, snark, although if I think about it… I mean, you live in NCY!
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 02:18 PMMary, ban me! I meant NYC.
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 02:20 PMAnd no, I have a decent place, not a van, snark,
Not a Chris Farley/SNL fan then? ;)
although if I think about it… I mean, you live in NCY!
Not technically. I did live in Manhattan and I do work in Manhattan but we moved to the burbs when we decided that life with two kids and a dog was a bit much in a broom closet.
Hope you see better days ahead.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 02:24 PMActually, a Jon and Stephen fan. Occasionally, Jay Leno. I work on contract at home these days (aside from the trauma ward, which limits my computer access), so I may stay up late once in a while.
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 02:33 PMIf you don't want a response to the things you post then fine, I won't respond. But your "I guess only those affected have the right to comment" comment is BS. Because if it's not then I have as much right to critique your commentary as you have to post it here. I didn't tell you to not comment. I responded. Again, if you'd rather I don't I'll happily oblige.
Oh God, this has gotten so out of hand. No Snark, I didn't mean that only those who are affected have the right to comment. What I meant was no one can understand better than those affected, and therefore have more of a right than I do to comment. It came out ALL wrong. Snark, I don't mind anyone commenting on anything I post. So comment away.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 02:34 PMSo comment away.
And I'll try not to be too dim while doing it. But it's a struggle.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 02:37 PM
I woulda laughed at a van down by the river, but I was stuck in a meeting. I'm laughing now, though!
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 02:48 PMI'm laughing now, though!
Yeah, but you're me...or I'm you...or we're both Steve Soto...so it doesn't really count.
But thanks.
Posted by snark at July 25, 2007 02:51 PMAnjha, welcome back. Have missed your postings. Glad things are settling for you. It's always good to welcome back friends.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 02:54 PMYeah, but you're me...or I'm you...
You mean I'm dancing with myself? (ohohohoh)
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 02:57 PMIamcoyote, you shot an AK47? Now, that impresses me, as I am leery of guns.
"my ex and his bro almost took down another shooter when his laser sight showed up on my back as I was setting up targets - I didn't know 'til later. Fookin' A! There are some dangerous critters on the range, I'll tell ya."
I think I may have some insight into why he is your X.
Don't worry, I am not going to comment. It's not worth my energy.
Tempus, glad your out of the hospital and hope you are doing well. Van stolen? What a bummer.
Seven of Six, your comment makes my posting that article worth it. If it helps you in anyway by talking about it, then I won't regret posting it.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:04 PMOh, and Tempus, thanks for the laugh today. We needed it.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:07 PM"And I'll try not to be too dim while doing it. But it's a struggle"
Snark, I know you can do it.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:13 PMWell, guess who is back. Did anyone else here about this?
Last week Henry Kissinger led a delegation of US political big-hitters on an extremely low-profile mission to Russia, where they met with Vladimir Putin and an equally matched Russian delegation - led by former Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov - to discuss some of the more pressing issues in US-Russia relations.
Make no mistake about it - this was a serious, high level meeting. Just take a look at this list of delegates:
In attendence with Kissinger were: Former Secretary of State George Schultz, former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, former Special Representative for Arms Control, Nonproliferation and Disarmament Ambassador Thomas Graham Jr., former Senator Sam Nunn and Chevron Chairman and Chief Executive Officer David O’Reilly.
With Primakov were: Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, former Ambassador to Washington Yuly Vorontsov, Deputy Board Chairman of UES Russia Leonid Drachevsky, UC Rusal Deputy Chief Executive Officer Alexander Livshits and former Soviet Armed Forces Chief of Staff Mikhail Moiseyev.
You’d think that a meeting like this would be widely reported, especially as it comes slap bang in the middle of an international spat between Russia and the UK which is gaining massive media attention. But the meeting has been virtually ignored by the world’s media.
A quick search of Google News for “Kissinger” and “Putin” brings up a measly 45 news stories. One in the Guardian, another in the Moscow Times, and that’s about it.
I know that the participants in the meeting didn’t necessarily want to draw attention to themselves, but in today’s media obsessed (and Russia obsessed) age - how on earth did they get away with that??
http://www.siberianlight.net/2007/07/24/henry-kissinger-in-talks-with-putin/
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 03:31 PMJudith, everyone needs a laugh. It's good for the soul. But thank you.
Coyote, have you forgiven me? I am so sorry.
Posted by tempus at July 25, 2007 03:38 PM"Intellectual dishonesty" is using one's ability to make use of a thesaurus to tear someone to shreds." -(Anjah)
-I don't need to use a thesaurus. It is all off the top. I write quickly. No spelling checker either. You only wish I was using a thesaurus. I don't own a thesaurus.
"...one's "self-appointed" authority to analyze the posts and the people who posted them." -(Anjah)
-No need to 'analyze' posts or people here.They do that well enough for themselves.
It is all primus facies here. As obvious as day follows night.
The case for mulishness makes and closes itself automatically.
As if it were a done deal before it even began. Which it was.
"Thus therefore, are those also who do not know what is true, yet hold some appearance of knowledge, and do many evil things as if they were good, and hasten to destruction as if it were salvation." -(The Clementine Recognitions, Book V.)
"Then he was silent and his lips still kept trembling. "Father," he said. "what a horrid town this is."
-Dostoyevsky, ("The Brothers Karamazov.")
Posted by Jill Bains at July 25, 2007 04:52 PMIamcoyote, you shot an AK47?
Heck yeah, a long time ago, though. It was interesting, but not nearly as fun as aiming at, and hitting the targets. I also got to shoot another guy's 357, and it nearly took my arm off. I know the 22 is just a peashooter, but what the hell. Always shot targets; never went hunting except to sit in the lodge and get sloshed. Don't like to see the critters hurt.
tempus, you're going to have to let it go, mmkay? 'Nuff said.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 05:15 PMGod, I want Scout back.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 08:35 PMBite your tongue, Judith! Now throw a pinch of salt over your shoulder.
Posted by iamcoyote at July 25, 2007 08:42 PMJill you are a complete idiot.
First and foremost none of the soldiers WANT to be there. They are just as sick and tired of this as we are of hearing about it.
But to say that US Military Soldiers are terrorists is beyond stupid. Most of them are kids who joined to better their situation and got caught up in this.
Please Jill do me a favor, come to my town this weekend. There is a Memorial Day service there. Look for me, I will be in the old style "chocalate chip" Desert Battle Dress Uniform. Please approach me, spit in my face, and call me a "Terrorist / Baby Killer". I promise you it will be the last thing you ever do on this Earth.
Posted by: Dave | May 25, 2007 at 02:10 PM
Said it once,will say it again, with pride:
"Perhaps these redneck, imperial ,racist murderers called 'the troops' can pay some respects to a decent culture, one not busy manufacturing fascist cluster bombs."
I really don't see much of a problem with that at all-a simple statement of fact. Perhaps you are the site's resident Neo fascist? Since I'm new, here I haven't yet picked up on the varied personna.
A little truth, hits nail on head. Hard. You seemingly can't take it.
http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2007/05/insurgents_cut_.html
Posted by at July 25, 2007 09:11 PMLMAO, well someone else has Googled too and I sure don't blame them for not leaving their name.
"Bite your tongue, Judith! Now throw a pinch of salt over your shoulder."
Iamcoyote, I can't believe I said that. I've crossed myself a dozen times since uttering those words. Seems you and I are favorite targets of the crazies.
Posted by Judith at July 25, 2007 10:33 PMJudith,
I think that comment previous to your was posted by Jill Bains. Must have forgotten to type her name. The fact that "Dave" threatened her she apparently found to be a prime example of a soldier behaving like a "redneck, imperial ,racist murderer". That's why she posted the link to her own comment at Majikthise. Now I don't agree with Ms. Bains' commentary in general but the threat of deadly physical violence as a response to verbal insults doesn't do much to prove her wrong in this instance. I think we all reserve the right to freely speak our mind in this country. And to do it without facing the threat of death as a result.
Posted by snark at July 26, 2007 06:25 AM"I think we all reserve the right to freely speak our mind in this country. And to do it without facing the threat of death as a result."
Snark, AMEN!
Posted by Judith at July 26, 2007 07:55 AM