Will Clinton and Obama filibuster any bill that gives retroactive immunity for illegal wiretapping?
Posted by gay veteran at October 13, 2007 12:56 PM"can we finally admit that 9/11 and Al Qaeda were simply a means to an end for the PNAC kooks, and stop dismissing those who believe this as conspiracy freaks?"
Thank you Steve Soto. Now the only question is how envolved the Bush Administration was. If you know you've hired a killer to shoot your wife, you might not look so surprised when someone walks in and tells you she's just been shot. You might just keep reading your book.
Obviously, I second T2's THANK YOU.
Six months before 9/11. Are we really gonna cling to this theory that 9/11 was a coincidence?
can we finally admit that 9/11 and Al Qaeda were simply a means to an end
C'mon, Steve. Take that last step. You know you want to. You know it in your heart.
We didn't ignore the warnings. We didn't intentionally stand down. We orchestrated it.
We have to open our eyes before we can bring these bastards into the light.
Steve Soto is obviously correct. Obviously? Remember when bush said that things would be easier if this was a dictatorship ... and he was the dictator? Too bad few took him seriously. And the people who need to read what Steve has to say will never see it.
Posted by jwrjr at October 13, 2007 03:20 PMWow.
Most important Steve Soto post ever.
Posted by Sharkbabe at October 13, 2007 03:36 PMDitto: WOW. Great post.
Posted by ann at October 13, 2007 04:09 PMcan we finally admit that 9/11 and Al Qaeda were simply a means to an end for the PNAC kooks
Who didn't know this? Of course they used 9-11 to implement the PNAC. The whole thing hinged on a catalytic event, didn't it? Still doesn't mean they made 9-11 happen, it just means they were ready to take advantage of it, having already started the legwork. How else could they have produced the Patriot Act seemingly out of thin air days after the event.
This story's been brewing for a couple days now, I'm glad you brought it up, Steve! Spread it far and wide, because people need to know that going after Saddam and creating chaos in the Middle East was Cheney's plan from the moment they took office.
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Excellent post, Steve. At this point we know our country is in more trouble than we have previously imagined.
Posted by Copeland at October 13, 2007 05:57 PMAnybody taking bets on how certain Dems are going to vote on retroactive immunity? Let's face it, we weren't the only ones who were the intended victims of this snooping--I'm sure that among the several principal reasons for the snooping prior to 9/11 were knowing what the political opponents and the media were up to, gathering poop. And maybe some corporate spying, as well.
As for 9/11 itself, I knew something was up when I saw the list of the usual suspects and their conflicts of interests admitted to the 9/11 commission, whether Repub or Dem. Commissions are useless organizations for finding truth, but good for burying it. And that's what will happen with this retroactive immunity. I will be paying very close attention to those who vote for it.
Posted by Julie at October 13, 2007 06:04 PMI won't be surprised a bit to see Democrats voting for immunity for telecoms; but, even if they don't, the real point is that they've made zero (even negative) progress reversing the worst abuses of what should be rights to privacy of every citizen regardless of their race, color, or creed.
Posted by Tampa Student at October 13, 2007 06:58 PMThe real point, Tampa, will be WHO votes for immunity.
Posted by Julie at October 13, 2007 07:03 PMQuoted from the Bloomberg article...
"The Senate is drafting its own revision of a surveillance law that now authorizes spy agencies to intercept, without a warrant, communications between terrorist suspects overseas and people in the U.S. "
So, the 'illegal' warrantless wiretapping of American citizens will now become 'legal' under a Democratic-Majority-Led Congress...
...and you people still want to vote for Hillary and Obama?
Posted by Tampa Student at October 13, 2007 07:05 PMShit, I knew 9/11 was an inside job for years, and yet when I posed this as fact, many LC'rs shrugged and said, W wasn't smart enuf to plan anything as foul.
Down the road, who is right? Oh, and y'all dispose of your cookies after you blog. U NO WHO is watching every move, listening to every word...we say in DISSENT!!!!
Why, I'd purchased a copy of Robert Redford's movie, All the President's Men, deeply critical of Richard Nixon, at a video store. I realized later I couldn't transport it my suitcase from here in Seattle to back home in Virginia, knowing airport TSA shits as I do. So I watched it twice, took it back to the store for a refund. When I get back home, I'll purchase a copy again to enjoy. We have to think like this now...it's called getting along in the police state.
Posted by Mal Feasance at October 13, 2007 09:01 PMIf this QWest info is correct, then BushCo was meeting telecommunication company executives in early 2001 (to work out the "bugs" concerning BushCo's illegal domestic spying campaign) at the same time that Dick Cheney was holding his secret Energy Task Force meetings (to collude with oil company executives on how best BushCo could help them boost their profits through BushCo helping them seize control of the world's oil resources).
This QWest report indicates that the criminals in the Bush administration started implementing their evil, anti-democracy, un-American schemes immediately after they slithered into the White House.
The outgoing Clinton administration finally determined that al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were behind the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, information they gave to the incoming Bush administration...which proceeded to do nothing.
We now know that BushCo was too busy planning their war against Iraq (for the oil companies) and plotting a Nixon-like domestic surveillance program (with the help of compliant and complicit telecommunications companies).
Saving U.S. citizens from right-wing religious fundamentalist fanatics was not part of BushCo's criminally incompetent game plan for the New American Century. Profits and power...that is all that matters to the neo-con Republicans who have done so much damage to our democracy.
Posted by The Oracle at October 13, 2007 10:02 PMWho perpetrated 9/11? Saudi terrorists related to the Saudi royal family, best friends with Bush and thick with Cheney.
Who financed 9/11? The Saudi royal family (among others), best friends with Bush and thick with Cheney.
Who benefited from 9/11? Two months after the invasion of Iraq, all American troops were removed from Saudi Arabia, something the royal family (best friends with Bush and thick with Cheney) wanted badly because they were a rallying point for the fundamentalists who want to overthrow them.
Can't anyone do the math?
Posted by dalloway at October 14, 2007 05:50 AMThe Democrats will do nothing to ease the surveillance state they have helped BushCo erect. They know that as of January 2009 they will control both the presidency and the congress. They will need these tools to protect the state. All we need to hear is Hillary saying "I am the state."
I look forward to the lame-duck GOP in congress frantically try to undo what they advertised as essential tools in the war on terror.
Posted by skeptic at October 14, 2007 01:54 PMnothing surprises me anymore.
I too, have all along maintained that these criminals knew about that attacks were planned on or about Septemeber 11, 2001. And they knew whi=o it was too.
I understand that the current law already has an escape clause in it, a "good faith" clause, so the data-mining and wiretaps must be so wide-ranging that no one could possibly have allowed government access to their customers' messages in "good faith."
So the 'secrecy' involved is merely in how intrusive the program really is, and the fact that it started before 9/11 just ices the cake.
And it didn't work -- 9/11 wasn't even phased by the data they were capturing. Since Islamic terrorists weren't on their radar, I wonder WHAT INFORMATION THEY WERE REALLY GATHERING that early.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Ed