the stars are aligning in the democratic race for the white house...for a timely entry by al gore..he is the guy
Posted by dennis at November 28, 2007 02:39 AMdennis: If you are seeing stars and dreaming about a Gore run, better check your Nanny-cam.
Someone may be hitting you in the head with a bat while you sleep.
tiki al..if i had a nanny i would check the camera..you may be right..but in the meantime..i am not convinced he is out of it...lets face it he was elected once..i often wonder how he feels about that...that's a big ouch..it is his destiny and i believe he is the right man at the right time
Posted by dennis at November 28, 2007 04:38 AMIn the words of the late Mr. Welk: "Ana one-a more-a time-a":
1. Al picked a Jewish grandmother for VP.
2. Al picked Donna Brain-nil to run his campaign.
3. Al distanced himself from the greatest fundraiser of all time because of a BJ.
Wise choices?
Mary: I'm glad that Google has discovered other uses for the Phoenix sun other than stripping the paint off of a Cadillac in 2 years.
Posted by TIKI AL at November 28, 2007 05:22 AMal gore's entire life has been one of accomplishment and public service...only in the land of republican oz can the measure of a good and decent man be reduced to a soundbite...and as far as bad choices..they are easy to judge in hindsite...you ever made any mistakes tiki..something tells me that you have...
Posted by dennis at November 28, 2007 05:45 AMWhat tipped you off? Yes I have made many mistakes, my latest was responding to your post!
I voted for Al and I voted for John. That's why it hurts when they make blunders and lose elections that they should have won.
And both should have challenged the results kicking and screaming while making multiple trips to the Supreme Thieves if neccessary.
Now excuse me, I have to get some cat food for 2 of my mistakes.
Posted by TIKI AL at November 28, 2007 06:21 AMthey both could have yelled and screamed until hell freezes over..it wouldn't have changed a thing..they both knew that even if others don't..al gore was robbed by thieves and no one was going to beat bush after 9/11..the soccer moms saw to that..you're first line up above did make me laugh though...cats..yuck
Posted by dennis at November 28, 2007 06:49 AMCongress made him do it.
Rove: "Congress Pushed Bush to War in Iraq Prematurely"
You are not going to believe this, well, actually you will... According to Karl Rove (on Charlie Rose), the Bush Administration did not want Congress to vote on the Iraq War resolution in the fall of 2002, because they thought it should not be done within the context of an election. Rove, you see, did not think the war vote should be "political".
Moreover, according to Rove, that "premature vote" led to many of the problems that cropped up in the Iraq War. Had Congress not pushed, he says, Bush could have spent more time assembling a coalition, and provided more time to the inspectors.
Rove is doing his job well in rewritting history and turning Bush into a victim of Congress. It's the legacy thingy you know.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/rove-congress-pushed-bu_b_74039.html
You people trust Al Gore don't you. Didn't he say George W. Bush IS his President. No one was twisting his arms or placing a gun to his or his loved ones heads. This fiction about 'stolen' elections doesn't do anything but cause people not to vote. The ultimate voter suppression comes by telling them their vote doesn't count. "Why show up" comes to mind. Your side seemed to want one vote to count more than another. That just doesn't work period.
Yeah Mary, solar is cool, but its also very expensive. $40,000.00 to run a small three bedroom house! It may be cheaper than it was ten years ago, but it's still too expensive. Google has the money to make it work for them. That's great....for them.
Posted by peter at November 28, 2007 07:39 AMThis fiction about 'stolen' elections doesn't do anything but cause people not to vote. The ultimate voter suppression comes by telling them their vote doesn't count. "Why show up" comes to mind. Your side seemed to want one vote to count more than another. That just doesn't work period.
peter you can stop your lies, (again)! Your side has been up to its neck in 'voter suppression' for years! And using the bully pulpit to accomplish it!
"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
— Radical Right strategist Paul Weyrich, at a 1980 training session for 15,000 conservative preachers in Dallas.
There are two ways to win an election. One is to get a majority of voters to support you. The other is to prevent voters who oppose you from casting their votes.
In the 27 years since Paul Weyrich's astonishingly candid admission, the radical right wing in America has developed an array of subtle and overt methods to suppress voter registration and turnout. The methods are targeted to constituencies most likely to oppose right-wing causes and candidates: low-income families, minorities, senior citizens and citizens for whom English is a second language.
Occasionally, attempts at voter suppression are illegal dirty tricks, such as the phone-jamming scheme carried out by Republican operatives against a Democratic phone bank in New Hampshire in 2004... However, voter suppression today is overwhelmingly achieved through regulatory, legislative and administrative means, resulting in modern-day equivalents of poll taxes and literacy tests that kept Black voters from the ballot box in the Jim Crow era.
Posted by Seven of Six at November 28, 2007 07:57 AMThe last three paragraphs after the quote, should have been blockquoted, they are from the article as well.
Posted by Seven of Six at November 28, 2007 08:04 AMIt amazes me Seven, that I express my personal belief and you say I'm lying. You apply some guy from 1980's pulpit statement as a refuting arguement. I don't doubt your quotes nor its conclusions in your comment. Both side probably use meassures both legal and illegal to gain office. It's a shame. My comment was more general in content. There are a few instances when contesting is neccessary, I would keep those to more local races.
Nationally, contesting only seem to create doubt. As a result of Florida 2000, we saw a record number come out to make sure their vote counted, that their side triumphed. I wouldn't say that's the best outcome from the 2000 vote. We marshalled more votes than yourside, but, it was more a winning motive than to correct the 2000 vote. Sure, we had record turnout, but was it all new voters.
How many 2000 voters were turned off from the antics of Florida 2000 and stayed home? That's the tragedy from contesting Florida in 2000. Did people give up on the process. I think many did. I blame Al Gore for those people giving up their vote and staying home. Spoiled votes happen all the time. Ask our friend Ga6thdem, Georgia had more spoiled votes than Florida. Did anyone pay any attention to them, nope. California had many more spoiled votes than either Florida and Georgia. What was done for them? All we did was change the method, not fix the system. Punch cards had the lowest error rate, with scan system in between and touch, the highest error rate. Seems touch won out. All this was testified to in the Grey Davis recall court appearances before the CA Supremes.
I'm all for fair voting practices. I believe these poll workers try their hardest to get things right. I accepted the 2006 vote with the same regard as the 2000 and 2004 vote. Poll workers working very hard to give us an acurate vote. Florida 2000 seemed to disregard these people and their efforts. I'm glad they returned for the next vote. I wouldn't have blamed them if they stayed home. Truely dedicated to a fair vote count.
What do you want to do, keep contesting every vote till the people lose all confidence in our systems?
Posted by peter at November 28, 2007 09:41 AMBoth side probably use meassures both legal and illegal to gain office.
The republi-cons do it overtly, then like you, claim the Democrats are doing it, when this is blatantly false.
Just remember the antics (mostly illegal) of (R-FL) Sec. of State, Katherine Harris. Something about blacks being taken off voter rolls, oh yeah, major suppression of the vote! This wasn't done by a Democrat!
And then there is touch screens made by Diebold whose corporate leaders are bu$h cronies, etc...
What do you want to do, keep contesting every vote till the people lose all confidence in our systems?
We have to! The republi-cons cannot win an election unless they cheat.
You just want the Democrats to give up trying to fix the 'voting system'! It's easier for you to blame Democrats for the current system because it works so well for you and the republi-con way of life!
I blame Al Gore for those people giving up their vote and staying home.
Huh? Al Gore won the popular vote!
"You people trust Al Gore don't you. Didn't he say George W. Bush IS his President."
poor pants pissing peter, he doesn't understand that Gore (and most people who comment here) place COUNTRY above party
Posted by Gay Veteran at November 28, 2007 12:06 PMpants pissing peter: "What do you want to do, keep contesting every vote till the people lose all confidence in our systems?"
you mean like the Republican candidate Rossi in the 2004 governor's race in Washington?
Posted by Gay Veteran at November 28, 2007 12:11 PMDunno why you're bothering, SoS. It's a troll. You're not gonna change his "mind." You're not going to get him to admit he's wrong. You can't teach or shame a sociopath into feeling empathy (anyone who defends this admin either is one or condones torture and may as well be one). Trolls can't reason, don't believe in history or science, they don't care about anything but themselves and the woody they get when someone responds to them. They're not about learning the truth, they're about disrupting us, pissing us off, and basically, being assholes.
So really, why bother? If you're bored, I'll chat with you.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 28, 2007 12:14 PMI know coyote, my hackles are up. It's these fucking scheming, lying, degenerate 'pukes' that try to change history.
Posted by Seven of Six at November 28, 2007 05:40 PMYeah, SoS, I totally understand. It's aggravating. And the impulse is to try to teach - but with wingnuts, they don't want to learn, so there's no sense in wasting emotion on them. There's no fixin' what's broken in wingnuts.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 28, 2007 06:35 PMYour gayness, Rossi didn't contest the vote the first two times. He was leading until some votes were kinda found somewhere in a warehouse on Baker Street. Funny thing in Washington, this time he's going to win going away. Two wrong headed Governors, funny that they are/were both women and both over their heads trying to learn how to govern. Whereas the Governor of Alaska is a shining example of knowing how to govern correctly.
Posted by peter at November 28, 2007 07:12 PMCoyote: I'm trying to swear off debating the hopelessly brainwashed, myself.
Godbots and trolls. Douh! That damned redundancy keeps creeping up on me!
Posted by TIKI AL at November 28, 2007 07:36 PMTIKI, it seems to me that the louder one yells about their god, the less they actually listen to it. If gods can hear thoughts, why all the yelling?
Posted by iamcoyote at November 29, 2007 05:15 AMThe Holy Ghost Whisperer is more effective?
Posted by TIKI AL at November 29, 2007 08:51 AMDunno, TIKI; but certainly less annoying!
Posted by iamcoyote at November 29, 2007 08:54 AMshorter pants pissing peter: it's OK if you're a Republican
Posted by Gay Veteran at November 29, 2007 09:37 AM