Boy Paradox, you did come back too soon.
Rep Murtha now says, "I think the 'surge' is working." Does he get thrown under the bus now? Is he now a corporate slut like the many others that take a contrary view to yours. The narative keeps changing, our world continues to change. Politics must grow with the changes, the message changes. We continue to move the bar, take HIV/Aids, since the president is talking about it today, from 50K to 1.4 million getting the drugs needed to help people live with this afliction.
Paradox, go find your inner peace, take care of yourself, and come back to the fight renewed.
Posted by peter at November 30, 2007 08:53 AMWell, paradox, despite the 24/7 cheerleading from the tv pundits, the country has turned against this admin and the Republicans, so I guess all is not lost yet. Oh sure, there are those who believe everything on tv, but you can't get them to recognize truth from fiction anyhow, or get them to actually read and research, so why bother worrying about them?
But you are right, the tv does set the narrative because it's quick, easy and in everyone's homes. Dems really do need to learn how to use it to their advantage, I'm sure there's ways to do it, if only they'd try. It'd help if democratic supporters weren't so diverse in their pet issues and so prone to fight amongst themselves, but hey, that's what a respect for diversity over lockstep dittoheadism will get ya.
Posted by iamcoyote at November 30, 2007 09:25 AMpoor pants pissing peter, the American people smell the overpowering stench of Bush's repeated failures (especially now that the economy is going down the toilet)
the god you worhip has feet of clay
Posted by Gay Veteran at November 30, 2007 11:00 AMwhen Bush admits he doesn’t care about Osama and the next day’s narrative is how Kerry outed a lesbian
Not to mention a lesbian who was already out!!
This TV "news" monster is THE problem. Not only can I not endure one second of corporate tv "news" (harder and harder to escape in any public space), it almost makes me physically ill. Maybe my future is to be a modern-day Carry Nation, smashing the goddamn things which have done more to ruin minds and human happiness than any other scourge in the history of the planet.
paradox is right the fuck on as far as i am concerned. the corporate /repiglican media is owned in total by five corporations..read that again: corporations. and they hire who they want to hire in order to accomplish their corporate agenda. thus we have repiglican cumsluts like pig eyes matthews spluttering all his propaganda just as he is paid to do: ditto for corporate pigs russert and williams. no more than GE hit men..little corporate monkey's with their stupid ge hats on, tied to a rope attached to an organ, and dancing to the tunes written by GE. and if any one doubts the affects of this corporate propaganda just reflect on what pig shit matthews did to gore for over two fucking years when he ran for president, not to mention the rest of the corporate media. during one of the debates with shitstain bush all the 'reporters' who were there covering it, in some room, were heard to be booing and hissing every time he opened his mouth. IS THAT THE ROLE OF A SUPPOSEDLY FREE MEDIA ? these corporate scum bags did all they could to benefit the very corporations that hired them in the first place. paradox is also right it that many can see thru this this bullshit: gore actually won the election until the very same repiglican scum .. now called the supreme court .. decided to ignore all existing precedents called state rights and install the fuhrer ... fuck'um all ..
Posted by stormskies at November 30, 2007 12:12 PMPerhaps lying television propaganda only works for a certain period of time, say enabling Bush through the 2004 election, until the flying limbs and screaming blood-splattered children force humans to admit they’ve been lied to by a murderer, the President. Perhaps television narratives were always given too much credit for their power, they weren’t meant to be dominant, just enough of a push to sway enough to win. Whatever the case, it certainly is true that in this time and place concerning Bush and the Republicans television propaganda narratives have failed.
If they were successful the GOP would have been victorious in 2006, instead of getting their asses righteously whipped. To what extent no one can say, but it bears repeating that right now television narratives simply aren’t that effective, the approval and wrong track numbers tell us Americans aren’t fooled by the bullshit.
That's basically correct -- we've been at roughly a 50/50 split in the electorate for a long time, despite the right wing tilt of the media. Now that the effectiveness of the MSM BS has broken down, we've reached a more honest 70/30 split.
As the election nears, the MSM narrative will close the gap -- but not enough to turn the tide. A 5 point recovery is reasonable, but that still means a Democratic tidal wave. Of course, Rahm's wing nut wannabe prescriptions could still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Posted by -ck- at November 30, 2007 12:38 PMpara, please continue thinking/posting/being pissed on this subject.
Posted by Sharkbabe at November 30, 2007 08:36 PMoh, and what stormskies said ... maybe more Rude Pundits are springing up lol ... good
Posted by Sharkbabe at November 30, 2007 08:39 PM