More on this today from HillaryIs44:
http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=368
Posted by B Merry at December 3, 2007 06:18 AMHere's update material. Obama has launched a new website http://hillaryattacks.barackobama.com/
Posted by B Merry at December 3, 2007 06:33 AMI hope she buries him
Posted by at December 3, 2007 06:49 AMGiven her husbands known exploits, Hillary has seemed quite tolerant of character flaws. I wonder why she went off on Obama?
Posted by T2 at December 3, 2007 06:50 AMFirst time poster here. Your posts are amazing while having a touch of irony and humor. Dailykos posters have some real problem with facts. They selectively cherry pick facts that suit them. Guess who else was cherrypicking facts in 2003 in the lead up to Iraq war?
Posted by rakk12 at December 3, 2007 06:58 AMGiven her husbands known exploits, Hillary has seemed quite tolerant of character flaws. I wonder why she went off on Obama?
That's quite a logic you got there, T2. What you are saying basically is that because of her husbands known exploits she should just keep quiet and let everybody else do character attacks on her. She has no right to question the character of her attacker.
Say you hate her but don't give these twisted explanations.
Posted by rakk12 at December 3, 2007 07:04 AMThe 2008 election will be won and lost in large part during the debates and Obama does not do well in those 30seconds answers.
Secondly, I dont think Obama can survive constant attack from the Republican machine; even Kerry/Edwards ticket failed that test in 2004.
I believe the best chance to win back the White House in 2008 is Hillary, She is the only one out there that is been savagely attack from both sides and she is still standing strong.
What other confirmation do we need?
Posted by New Age at December 3, 2007 07:27 AMpeople who overlook character flaws when it suits them, and jump on perceived ones when it doesn't. If thats what you want in a president, fine.
Posted by T2 at December 3, 2007 07:27 AMpeople who overlook character flaws when it suits them, and jump on perceived ones when it doesn't. If thats what you want in a president, fine.
Where were you when Obama was launching a character attack on Hillary? Your logic is still hilarious. I will keep attacking your character in public and just because your husband was not faithful you, I cannot respond back questioning my attacker's character.
Posted by rakk12 at December 3, 2007 07:32 AMpeople who overlook character flaws when it suits them, and jump on perceived ones when it doesn't. If thats what you want in a president, fine.
Where were you when Obama was launching a character attack on Hillary? Your logic is still hilarious. I will keep attacking your character in public and just because your husband was not faithful you, I cannot respond back by questioning my attacker's character.
Posted by rakk12 at December 3, 2007 07:33 AMYeah, eriposte, we know you like Hilary Clinton...a whole lot. Couldn't you use less words to say that, though?
Posted by Luce Irigary at December 3, 2007 08:31 AMGee, Luce, finding it hard to keep up? Too many words? Or does the search for truth exclude Clinton? I think the worst thing about Hillary running is finding out the the left wing has just as many blind asshole sheep as the right wing. Of course, I knew it all along, but to see them come out of the woodwork like this is off-putting. And you all wonder why most of the populace hates politics.
Posted by iamcoyote at December 3, 2007 08:56 AM"is finding out the the left wing has just as many blind asshole sheep as the right wing."
We agree.
Posted by peter at December 3, 2007 09:25 AMshorter pants pissing peter: baa, baa, baa
Posted by Gay Veteran at December 3, 2007 09:34 AMOf course, the difference between leftie and rightie assholes is that the lefties are on the side of right, while the righties are on the side of authoritarian rule and are therefore wrong about everything that matters.
Posted by iamcoyote at December 3, 2007 09:51 AMeriposte, you are excellent. Keep up the good work.
Posted by Masslib at December 3, 2007 10:00 AMHillary Clinton means business as usual.
The ongoing occupation of Iraq.
Unnecessary saber rattling against Iran.
Perpetuation of the phony 'war on drugs.'
Ridiculous military spending.
No investigations of Bush Administration fraud and corruption.
Etc..
C'mon - let's nominate a progressive candidate for everyone's sake!
Posted by Greenjeans at December 3, 2007 10:25 AMHillary has a ton a baggage that has been quietly ignored, much of it true. You can bet the Rethugs will attack her with zeal.
She seems to be the corporate choice to occupy the WH next, however. And she's got enough skeletons so as to be sufficiently controllable.
My guess is that she will be the nominee and winner in '08. Will that bring a change in corp/gov? Doubtful.
Posted by brisa at December 3, 2007 11:03 AMbrisa, not sure where you've been these past, say, oh, ten or twenty years, but the Clintons have been so thoroughly scrubbed up one side and wiped down the other that's remarkable that they even need to bathe.
Posted by B Merry at December 3, 2007 11:21 AMbrisa, not sure where you've been these past, say, oh, ten or twenty years, but the Clintons have been so thoroughly scrubbed up one side and wiped down the other that it's remarkable that they even need to bathe.
Posted by B Merry at December 3, 2007 11:22 AMHillary Clinton’s Remarks Today on Her Experience and Vision for a New America
Posted by rakk12 at December 3, 2007 12:56 PMHere are some FACTS for you, despite Hillary's disinformation campaign -- with the help of her Emily's List friend:
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The Facts about Attacks and Obama's 100% Pro-Choice Record
by Becky Carroll, National Director, Women for ObamaWednesday, December 05, 2007 at 04:44 PM
The campaign is heating up, and Hillary Clinton is resorting to old-school political attacks in a last-ditch effort to slow Barack Obama’s growing momentum. With new polls in Iowa showing Senator Obama moving into the lead -- and ahead with women voters by 5 points – Senator Clinton and her campaign are shamelessly attacking Barack’s record and his character.
Just weeks after Senator Clinton promised not to attack her Democratic opponents, yesterday she announced that she would enter a new period of daily attacks on Barack, going so far as to say this is "the fun part" of campaigning for the presidency.The problem with Hillary’s attacks is that they’re filled with false charges and desperate rhetoric.
First, she falsely claims that Barack Obama doesn't support universal health care, even though he has a detailed plan that would provide affordable health insurance for every single American and do more to cut the cost of health care than any other plan in this race. Then her campaign attacked our youth empowerment efforts and tried to intimidate Iowa college students who plan to participate in the caucus. They even published an article on their website attacking Barack for telling his kindergarten teacher he wanted to be president when he grew up. Now they’re trying to attack Barack Obama’s 100% pro-choice record.
Yesterday's attack was delivered by Ellen Malcolm, President of EMILY’s List – which has endorsed Senator Clinton and is spending millions on an Independent Expenditure campaign to try to get her elected. Malcolm called into question Barack’s commitment to protect women’s rights by pointing to old votes on a few politically motivated bills in the Illinois Senate. What Malcolm failed to point out was that Barack cast these votes as part of a strategy employed by pro-choice leaders in Illinois. That’s why so many top pro-choice leaders were outraged by the attack and immediately defended Barack’s record of leadership on this important issue.
Not only is Senator Clinton’s claim another baseless, desperate attempt on her campaign’s part to distort Barack’s record, but this tactic does nothing more than divide the pro-choice community at a time when we need to work together to elect a pro-choice candidate for president. But don’t take our word for it. Read what leaders in the pro-choice community – who have worked side by side with Senator Obama – had to say about the latest Clinton attacks:
“I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton and an EMILY’s List donor, but this line of attack is unacceptable. While I was the president of Chicago National Organization for Women, Senator Obama worked closely with us, could not have been more supportive of a woman¹s right to choose, and there was no bigger champion in Illinois on our issues. What¹s important is that the candidates do not cannibalize each other on issues we all agree about because we need to win in November.” Lorna Brett, former president of Chicago NOW
"During his years in the state legislature, Barack Obama was a strong and consistent supporter of women's reproductive rights. He worked hand-in-hand with Planned Parenthood in developing and executing strategies to make sure that women had access to reproductive health care. I also want to thank him for standing up with us in the effort to open the Aurora clinic and for his introduction of legislation guaranteeing access to low-cost birth control. Planned Parenthood/Chicago Area has proudly endorsed Barack throughout his entire political career." Steve Trombley, CEO & President, Planned Parenthood/Chicago Action
"The present votes Obama took at that time, along with many other pro-choice legislators, were 'no' votes to bad bills being used for political gain. We asked Senator Obama and other strong supporters of choice to vote present to encourage Senators facing tough re-elections to make the right choice by voting present, instead of caving to political pressure and voting for these bad bills. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama showed leadership, compassion and a true commitment to reproductive health care. The Republican Senate President at the time constantly used anti-abortion bills to pigeon-hole Democrats so that he could target them with misleading mailers during campaign season. It was a tactic that was about politics, not policy - and Obama didn't let them get away with it." Pam Sutherland, President & CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council
“Senator Obama is one of America’s strongest and most loyal defenders of women’s rights on issues of reproductive health care. I’ve contributed to EMILY’s List in the past but I never will again, because I¹m so disappointed in their decision to launch these unfair, false attacks on behalf of Senator Clinton¹s campaign.” Libby Slappey, a former 13-year board member of Planned Parenthood of East Central Iowa.
Even Ellen Malcolm has praised Barack as recently as last year, after Barack gave the keynote speech at the annual Emily’s List Luncheon. In a letter to Barack, Malcolm writes:
Senator Obama,
Thank you so much for helping to make the 2006 EMILY’s List Majority Council Conference such a great success. Our Majority Council members told me again and again how energized they were to hear directly from you and how much they appreciated your spending time with us. You truly inspired our members and reminded them why they support our work to elect dynamic pro-choice Democratic women especially after hearing you speak about how you’re fighting to make change happen. I appreciate your commitment to EMILY’s List. Here’s to victory in November!Warmest regards, Ellen R. Malcolm, President
Handwritten: “You were terrific and really lit a fire with our members! Thanks so much!!”
These attacks are not going away any time soon. Let’s be sure to remind ourselves and our friends about what a fighter Senator Obama has been for the pro-choice community.
* Barack has a 100% pro-choice vote rating with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America.
* He was the ONLY U.S. Senator who helped raise funds in 2006 to successfully repeal a South Dakota law that banned abortions. Senator Clinton refused to help in the effort. In fact, even EMILY’S List refused to help repeal the ban in South Dakota.
* Senator Obama is the only candidate for President who rose in support of Illinois Planned Parenthood when their new Aurora clinic faced a threatened shut-down.
* When Congress failed to pass a law to require insurance plans to cover FDA-approved contraceptives, Obama supported a successful law to provide that requirement in Illinois.
* He recently co-sponsored a bill with Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) to make birth control more affordable for low-income and college age women after changes in federal law led to skyrocketing new costs.