The really disturbing thing is that he almost certainly believes what he said then.
Madonna is wonderful and all, but she can't drop $100B in the blink of an eye.
Meanwhile, quarantine. . .? How about we declare creationists mentally unfit to serve in any office?
Posted by andgarden at December 8, 2007 01:16 PMThat will take both Carter and Clinton with it as well as the past great Democrats Truman, JFK, and LBJ. Yeah, cast away ALL creationist and we don't have our great Constitution amongst others. That would make a nice place for you. I seem to remember some European that represented the NSDAP that liked that idea.
Meanwhile, this president has been sending HIV/Aids money to Africa to try to contain and alleviate HIV /Aids there. Sure perceptions change. Bill Clinton doesn't believe the same things he did when he ran for the presidency. He's changed over the years, I'd say for the better. I'm sure Mike Huckabee has changed for the better too. We all grow...
Some of you, only to be more bitter.
Posted by peter at December 8, 2007 01:37 PMCongrats on your new (temporary) job on one of the most underappreciated blogs in wwwLand, Turkana.
Posted by Meteor Blades at December 8, 2007 01:51 PM@ Peter:
Clinton is a creationist now? You can go back to your bubble now!
@MB:
Cozy corner, isn't it? Turkana is most worthy.
Posted by andgarden at December 8, 2007 01:59 PMHow about we declare creationists mentally unfit to serve in any office?
No religious tests for office works both ways, andgarden. Everyone's (supposedly) free to believe in whatever silly-ass thing they want to, be it invisible sky wizards, ufos, ghosts or the supremacy of the NY Yankees. By the same token, we are free to point and laugh at them.
Posted by iamcoyote at December 8, 2007 02:05 PMNo religious tests for office works both ways, andgarden.
That was exactly my point.
Posted by andgarden at December 8, 2007 02:11 PMthis president has been sending HIV/Aids money to Africa to try to contain and alleviate HIV /Aids there
Hardly. Care to check in on all the strings attached to said monies? How much of that money is going to big pharma via over priced meds?
Posted by Simp at December 8, 2007 02:15 PMThat was exactly my point.
Oops, I guess I missed your snark tags!
Does Huckabee still believe such obscene garbage?
Probably, but as digby says:
Wingnuts do not vote on creationism and blastocyst worship alone. Huck knows that to close the deal he's got to publicly get some hate on for somebody. Going after the gays is so 2004. This year's designated Republican hate object is teh Mexicans. They just need a little more reassurance that he's one of them. This should do it.
Posted by iamcoyote at December 8, 2007 02:18 PMthanks, mb- and andgarden.
simp and iamcoyote- thanks for your responses. i'm starting to understand that the trolls are well-handled by those of you who already know them.
Posted by Turkana at December 8, 2007 02:19 PMI know that you flatter yourself as to what a smart thinker you are, but what is the point of this post? That a Baptist preacher hated gays in 1992?
Dog bites man. No story.
That you're jumping on the Rightie weekend clusterf**k on Huckabee?
Dog bites dog. No story.
If you were as perspicacious as you feel yourself to be, you might have posted about the sudden dread and fear of Huckabee in the Wingnut media -- which is a man bites dog story.
As it is, this is just an intellectually lazy shot, cribbed from Memeorandum and the "big" story broken on Politico by Mike Allen ... yesterday.
You might have even found it interesting that while half the denizens of Wingnuttia are attacking Huckabee (Pat Toomey of Club for Growth calls him a "big government social liberal" on a weekend radio show), the other half of Wingnuttia are spreading the Nixonian meme that the "MSM" has it in for Huckabee. (cf. Malkin).
That's called having your cake and eating it too.
But, instead, you post this stagnant bit of intellectual detritus. There are, at present, approximately 100 major blog posts that recycle the same fluff you're pitching here.
Think a minute before the knee jerks.
Posted by Hart Williams at December 8, 2007 02:50 PMawwww- sorry, hart. i hurt your feelings, at dk. i feel so mean.
Posted by Turkana at December 8, 2007 03:06 PMIs that what Hart's whining was about? Link me! What'd you say to turn him all concern troll here? Pie fight! Pie fight!
Posted by iamcoyote at December 8, 2007 03:18 PMheheheh. I totally want to know too.
Posted by andgarden at December 8, 2007 03:29 PMit wasn't actually that big a deal, but:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/8/162651/679
Posted by Turkana at December 8, 2007 03:41 PMHeehee! Excitable little bugger, isn't he?
Posted by iamcoyote at December 8, 2007 03:49 PMThat is pretty stupid.
Posted by andgarden at December 8, 2007 03:50 PMSo does Goober Godbot admit that the aids virus evolved, or does he think it was one of the intellajunt deeziner's science projects that the devil pissed in?
Posted by TIKI AL at December 8, 2007 04:56 PMThis whole "AIDS" thing is bogus. Go to the library and read Peter Duesberg's book, "Inventing the AIDS Virus." Or go clusty or google “rethinking Aids.” Or go to my website, www.bottlebrushpress.com, click on personal links and go to medical section and read a few short essays on the subject. It all began back in the 1980s when some doctors at the Center for Disease Control (CDC) could not figure out why seemingly healthy young gay men were coming down with diseases typically associated with elderly junkies... Unfortunately, the doctors were too squeamish to ask the gay men about their sexual practices, and the drugs they took to facilitate said, and so, instead, their used their new scanning microscopes and discovered a tiny retrovirus, which they called HIV and then they went on to claim that said virus "caused" some two dozen traditional diseases associated with weakened immune systems. You inherit HIV from your mother; it is not transmitted sexually or any other way from person to person. There will never be a “cure” or a vaccine for “Aids” because one little benign retro-virus does not cause twenty-something traditional stand-alone diseases.., This CDC notion is absurd on the face of it. These diseases are caused by the taking of massive quantities of toxic recreational drugs, which depress the body’s natural immune system, which opens the door to said diseases.
This is the biggest medical fraud in history. Billions of dollars have been wasted and hardly anyone in the medical/corporate/government complex wants to admit it...
And the leaders of the African countries realized that if many of their traditional tropical diseases could be put under the "AIDS umbrella" that they could then get billions of dollars in aid from European countries and America. Pretty smart, huh?
Cheers.
Posted by james k. sayre at December 8, 2007 05:37 PMAwwww. Don't flatter yourself, Jerkana.
You didn't hurt my feelings. You just reminded me that Nugent and Malkin aren't the only ignorant bigots that need to be challenged. Some, like you, pretend to be "progressive."
Now, the fact that I gave you some pretty good leads for writing a real (as opposed to merely reactive and mindless) post with some "intellectual" meat to it, and your casual dismissal basically pounds the last nail in your troglodyte's coffin.
Some of us have been paid for their writing, and it clearly ain't you. And, like any amateur, you blow off good advice because you're too dumb to know better. (Which is WHY you're an amateur.)
[That Huckabee hates gays (or, rather, hated them in the early 90s) is not only unsurprising, but his base doesn't care NOW. NEWSFLASH: Earth round, rotates around sun! Film at Eleven.]
Nothing progressive about you, atall. You're just pissed off, and think that being a smartass is compensation for a dismal life, I suppose.
It isn't.
And, of course, I'm not afraid to post under my real name. Like some.
Posted by Hart Williams at December 8, 2007 08:36 PMawww, hart- the sweet, high school melodies you sing.
Posted by Turkana at December 8, 2007 08:46 PMHigh school? I was thinking more like third grade. Jerkana, indeed.
Posted by iamcoyote at December 8, 2007 09:24 PM"perspicacious"? wow, shades of Willaim F. Buckley
Posted by gay veteran at December 9, 2007 12:17 PMAww Turkie, not able to respond intellectually, you fall back to your more familiar roots in the kindergarten recess.
What a piece of work you are!
Posted by Hart Williams at December 9, 2007 01:56 PMTo expand and clarify my thoughts on the alleged Aids - Hiv connection
Here is the introduction from www.rethinkingaids.com web site:
Welcome From Etienne de Harven, MD, President of Rethinking AIDS 

I am very pleased to welcome all the visitors of the new Rethinking AIDS (RA) website!
As many of you are probably aware, RA has been re-activated and re-organized since late 2005. Thanks to the expertise and dedication of the thirteen highly motivated Members of RA Board of Directors, new bylaws have been drafted and recently approved, and a President, a Treasurer (David Crowe) and a Webmaster (Bryan Owen) have been appointed. The goals and purpose of RA have been defined, and its involvement has been stressed in a world-wide effort to 1) eradicate the dogma according to which an elusive retrovirus is the cause of the syndrome, and 2) support research and public awareness on possible alternative causes of the disease. These topics were the central focus of an important meeting of the RA Board of Directors that took place in New York City, on June 10-11, 2006.
Unquestionably, AIDS is a dramatic aspect of human pathology, first recognized in 1981, in the Los Angeles area, among a small group of gay men. The definition of the syndrome has been changed several times, and considerable differences exist between what is called AIDS in North America and Europe, and what is called AIDS in Africa. Despite these differences, research aimed at curing and hopefully preventing the syndrome has been, for the past 23 years, exclusively and dramatically restricted to one single, totally unproven hypothesis; i.e., the hypothetical role of a retrovirus identified as 'HIV' in 1984. Stubborn dogmatic adherence, by the entire academic community, to this unreasonable hypothesis can only be explained by a desperate effort to salvage the reputation of many cancer research laboratories that had been highly biased, between 1960 and 1980, in large programs aimed at demonstrating that retroviruses are involved in the causation of human cancer.
Hypothesizing, without any trace of scientific evidence, that a retrovirus was the cause of AIDS permitted the perpetuation of retroviral research highly profitable for the pharmaceutical business, and avoided embarrassing closures of many retrovirus oriented laboratories.
The retrovirus hypothesis was presented 23 years ago, and the entire, world-wide research effort on AIDS has been restricted to that unique hypothesis ever since. Most dramatically, the clear evidence, in 2007, is that this hypothesis totally failed to help. Based on that single and scientifically unproven hypothesis, AIDS research failed to deliver any curative AIDS therapy, it never permitted scientists to prepare a reliable vaccine, and it never led to verifiable epidemiologic predictions. As early as 1987, Peter Duesberg had the courage and scientific authority to ring the alarm bell. In doing so, he has been the scientific founder of the Rethinking AIDS movement of 'Dissidents' ('The Group'), that was crystallized in 1991 by the historic statement that has been supported and signed by more than 2,300 concerned scientists (including two Nobel laureates) and innumerable attentive rethinkers from other fields. Cancer research had been put on the wrong track by placing emphasis on an enzyme 'marker' of cancer cells in 1970; AIDS research has been put on the wrong track by hypothesizing retroviral causation in 1984.
In order to accelerate general awareness of this disastrous situation, Rethinking AIDS (RA) has been, recently, setting up several mechanisms. It has created the website you are currently visiting, it has appointed a Public Relations task force for the presentation of professionally formatted messages to the media, it is organizing one annual Board of Directors general meeting, and it is currently reactivating contact with our 2,300 signatories of the 1991 statement. This shall soon permit us to start a fundraising program. The money raised will be used for setting up dissident conferences, publishing dissident books and lectures, creating dissident films and videos, advising the victims of the HIV fear campaign paradigm, educating the public on matters related to alternative, non toxic protocols for consolidating immune responses, and educating the public on the unacceptable toxicity of so-called antiretroviral drugs as well as on the total lack of specificity of so-called seropositivity tests. The ambition of RA is to lead this struggle on a world-wide basis. RA’s ultimate goal is to rapidly contribute to the final implosion of the HIV=AIDS=Death paradigm. Nothing less!
The RA Board of Directors is the main operational body supporting this ambitious and urgent program (see the Board section on this website for all names and short CVs). The strength of the Board is in the diverse background of its members. Some are academic scientists; some are highly dedicated rethinkers, for many years, in the dissident movement. You shall find many documents written by them at this website. Obviously, they don’t all share identical views on some detailed points of the HIV debate. They are, however, forming a strongly united group. United because they all share the scientifically based opinion according to which: a) AIDS is not an infectious disease; b) AIDS is not caused by a retrovirus; c) serological and viral load tests are not reliable for the diagnosis of AIDS; d) HAART drugs do more harm than good; e) adequate public hygiene and sanitation, well balanced nutrition, and curtailing the use of recreational drugs can prevent and control AIDS much better than all the toxic ARV therapeutic regimens; and f) several alternative and non-viral factors can explain the occurrence of most acquired immuno deficiencies in humans. This is a lot to agree about!
"AIDS is not an infectious disease"
well james k. sayre I propose a very simple test: inject you with HIV and find out what happens
Posted by Gay Veteran at December 10, 2007 10:43 AM