Tweety kept trying to make everyone agree that Hillary acted like she already had the nomination but there were no takers and one guy openly said Tweety was wrong, which was hilarious. Andrea Mitchell said Clinton wasn't at all "grating" or "strident," not like a castrating bitch at all. Nice of her to point that out. And I was pissed they robbed Obama of his question. I was curious what his real question was going to be. Why wasn't Edwards signing autographs - or did the cameras just not show him? Finally, Tweety needs to go. He's just foaming at the mouth wrong about everything and it's just not funny anymore. Gak!
Posted by iamcoyote at January 15, 2008 08:27 PMWow, I'm not an expert, but watching these two clips I see a very much polished Clinton, one smart lady, and I am impressed!
Thank you, as I didn't watch the debate.
Agreed, Chris Matthews is an embarrassment.
My debate conclusions.
Each of the three candidates in the debate would be such a huge improvement over the current administration that I would end up loving them no matter how I feel about them now.
I am mortified that these candidates are required, apparently, to answer questions from complete shitheads like Russert.
All future debates should feature the candidates asking each other questions. The moderator should moderate, not ask questions.
Posted by James E. Powell at January 15, 2008 09:00 PMFor me, Edwards coming to the front of the pack and bringing up the issue of homeless Veterans, disabled Veterans and how can we as a people treat them that way.
Obama and Clinton jumped on board real quick!
Over all, I have to say Clinton gets the nod on being up on the issues. She had her shit together. Her attacks on bu$h were brilliant! Then pulling Obama into co-sponsoring a bill against bu$h on Iraq! Solid strategy.
Tie the repukes to every bu$h failure each chance we can.
C'mon Edwards!
Posted by Nathan at January 15, 2008 09:11 PMWhat a pathetic question, asking the candidates when they decided to run. Who gives a rats ass!
Posted by Seven of Six at January 15, 2008 09:14 PMHillary was solid. I mean, there's yer president, right there.
Posted by xam at January 15, 2008 09:35 PMEdwards is the only candidate that every time I listen to him I get all teary. He must, absolutely must, stay on the national stage. Even if we have to create a special cabinet post for him his voice and passion and vision for America must not be lost.
Obama does not do well in debates I guess. As I have only seen him give his campaign speach once I will say he is better on the stump than he is with conversing about policy.
Clinton was brilliant. I have never seen a candidate so prepared to be president in my entire life.
As an extra bonus, she was the only one attacking Bush all night long.
Posted by ken at January 15, 2008 10:09 PMHillary just flat knew her shit. Competence and command of issues, up and down the board. And she smacked Chimpy around, which made me very happy.
I was also proud as could be that all of our Dems stood united and absolutely REFUSED to let the smarmy Timmeh play race-baiter, which he so very badly wanted to do, and tried hard to do. Our guys were having none of it. Good for them!
Posted by WMCB at January 15, 2008 10:13 PMIt was good to hear Edwards sternly repudiate 30+ years of bipartisan corporate indulgence and unequivocably denounce nuclear power and new coal fired power plants. He needs to discuss his corporate domestication plans (DOJ/FBI,IRS,SEC,Glass-Steagall,Telecom Act,corporate taxes,fairness doctrine,etc) and promise to expose nuclear power to unlimited accident liability. Obama was also good emphasizimg the priority of energy conservation and efficiency improvements.
They all need to get real about our non-negotiable lifestyle and take a few more delusional options off the table, but they're sounding smarter. Must be reading blogs more.
Edwards is clearly the best candidate and he's getting my $$$ on 1/18.
And not just to hurt Al From's feelings, although that's a good thing too.
Russert & Tweety bring negative value to the product. Maybe after KO takes over they'll do a Saturday AM kid's show or become pages.
I'm a Kucinich fan, then Edwards, but I've got to say Hilary was extremely impressive in this clip. She seems to have indeed found her voice.
I agree that whoever the Democratic candidate is they will put a world of hurt on the right wing scum from the other side.
Posted by woodguy at January 16, 2008 02:25 AMThe democrats will never truly understand the sunk cost fallacy. You'd think W. is up for renomination the way they speak.
And if you reform bankruptcy laws to bail people out, you are slapping the face of everyone that rented for the past 3 years. Next time a bubble starts to build don't expect these people to responsibly sit on the sidelines. They'll be in the mix, because they've been conditioned to believe they are going to get bailed out.
Also anyone who believes a person's wealth should be derived in an undiversified portfolio with a huge overweight in real estate is insane. Then again I keep hearing people tell me that even U.S. treasuries are risk free.
Have any of you heard about Dennis Kucinich's suit against MSNBC for excluding him from the debates in Nevada? He sued and won, then the friggin' network refused to let him on anyway! This is Democracy? I knew this whole Presidential election was staged, and I've been proven right.
I found out about this situation on Democracy Now which is owned by Ford Foundation despite of what Amy maintains, that she's independent.
Sieg Heil Amerika! The corporations own us. This election is shit.
Posted by Teresa in Baghdad at January 16, 2008 05:28 AMTeresa in Baghdad, A supreme court judge in Nevada ruled in favor of NBC about 45 minutes before the debate. That's why Kucinich was not on stage.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 16, 2008 05:39 AMThe Ford Foundation has no ties to the Ford Motor Company. Hasn't for decades.
Posted by snark at January 16, 2008 05:42 AMNBC and ABC have both blocked Kucinich. It is sickening that a judge would go along with them.
Posted by JohnT at January 16, 2008 05:50 AMI thought it was a very romantic evening. Everyone was seated, nobody was rushed, the questions (at least until the commercial break, when I quit watching) were lobbed wiffle balls that each candidate took a boomer bat to and then segued it into a 2 minute campaign speech.
The MSM lit the candles and romanced us into loving our final three suitors.
Luckily Kucinich wasn't there to talk about civil liberties, ending the war, and demanding recounts on rigged primaries. It would've ruined the moment.
By the way, Edwards grew up in a poor mining community, just in case anybody missed the three or four times he said that.
Posted by MaskedVigilante at January 16, 2008 07:01 AMThe MSM lit the candles and romanced us into loving our... suitors.
Like they have been doing for each repbuli-con debate.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 16, 2008 07:09 AMLike they have been doing for each repbuli-con debate.
I couldn't say, SoS. I can't watch those (some of them scare me too much) so I read the transcripts the next day.
The transcripts don't include set design.
Posted by MaskedVigilante at January 16, 2008 07:17 AMMV's just bummed that Ron Paul support in MI is hovering around Thompson/Rudy numbers. There, there, dear, maybe next time they'll debate in a thunderdome - just for you.
Three candidates enter! One candidate leaves!
Hey, I might even tune in for that one...
Posted by iamcoyote at January 16, 2008 07:22 AMI ended up seeing about an hour of it on the cspan re-run this morning. It was good to see them all playing nice, though it looked like that took great effort on Edwards' part. I was glad they got a chance to explain some of their votes (Obama on energy, Edwards on nuclear energy). That's the peril of senators running. Their voting records get picked apart and that's why they rarely win.
Posted by CG at January 16, 2008 07:30 AMDr. Paul came in 4th! Didn't he?
Oh wait. I forgot. These things are rigged.
Posted by MaskedVigilante at January 16, 2008 07:34 AMisn't it funny how things happen? Six weeks ago Thompson was the guy who was going to take Rudy's place as the Conservative's frontrunner. Neither guy has shown a pulse, and in Thompson's case it may be because he is embalmed. Does anyone really believe that if Rudy=Bush pulls out a squeaker in FL he's back on the road to the nomination? I can't see him getting back in the race, but in the Southern states, it could get nasty between him and Huckleberry....something to look forward to.
Posted by T2 at January 16, 2008 07:53 AMHow about the Obama highlights?
I will just add that I've been listening to talk radio out here in CA on KGO (a great station with libertarians, progressives and moderates as hosts) and I was very surprised to hear the callers weigh in yesterday. I thought Hillary would be doing much better with these voters, but out of 15 calls she got 1 and Obama got 14.
She may pull it out with Superdelegates, but Obama will do very well in CA, from all appearances.
Posted by nyc at January 16, 2008 08:15 AMTake my word for it MV. You described it exactly, "lobbed whiffle balls"... the thing is, republi-cons even miss those.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 16, 2008 08:16 AMOh man, some guys at KOS have lost it. There's a thread going about how Hillary calling Bush 'pathetic' was insulting to them as men. She likes to emasculate men etc. Wow! Where left meets right- Hillary Derangement Syndrome.
Posted by sarahfdavis at January 16, 2008 08:33 AMTo comply with MSNBC's disclaimer policy, Tweety and Timmeh! should be required to wear suits made from condoms.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 16, 2008 09:03 AM"Hillary calling Bush 'pathetic' was insulting to them as men. She likes to emasculate men."
Sarah, here we go again. That's two weeks worth of news on faux news and for Tweetie.
Posted by Judith at January 16, 2008 09:03 AMsarah, I saw some of the silliness at dKos last night during the debate - everyone was going nuts about something Hillary said that echoed what all the blogs were saying only months before. Best to just stay away from the comment threads, they've all gone bonkers. I clicked on a diary for the last time this morning: "I watched a child die." And it was about a puppy hit by a car. Sad that a puppy died, but JHFC, it ain't a kid! And when someone neutrally pointed out it wasn't a kid, everyone got violent! Just silly.
How about the Obama highlights?
I watched the whole thing and frankly, there weren't any. Debates really aren't his forte, are they? He wasn't awful, but he didn't really stand out. Like I said earlier, it was stupid of Brian Williams to deny him his question - he and Russert were jerks for doing that.
Posted by iamcoyote at January 16, 2008 09:06 AMIf Hillary becomes President will her salary be cut 25% to keep the rest of the women in the country who are making 75 cents on the male chauvenist dollar in line?
Posted by TIKI AL at January 16, 2008 09:33 AMHillary was solid. I mean, there's yer president, right there.
That about sums it up. Agree or disagree with her on policy but she's ready to be POTUS.
I just read on rawstory why NBC went to such lengths to keep Kucinich off. He is opposed to the Yucca Mtn burial site and the other three are for it. Since GE owns NBC it all makes sense to me. They certainly don't want Dennis on national TV discussing why he opposes Yucca Mtn.
Posted by JohnT at January 16, 2008 10:38 AMI actually thought all three candidates did pretty well! But yeah, Hillary was quite awesome. To me, she is quite clearly the leader of the pack.
Obama did have one advantage; he got several laughs! :)
Posted by lima beans at January 16, 2008 10:41 AMJohnT, all three candidates said they were against Yucca Mtn. Don't know what you're talking about. Got a link?
Posted by iamcoyote at January 16, 2008 11:17 AM