I don't know about CA, but they said the same thing about NH. Obama is the Starbucks/wine and cheese candidate while Hillary is the McDonald's/beer candidate. Hillary showed some emotion. Maybe Obama needs to break out his blue jeans and get caught eating a big mac.
Posted by CG at January 16, 2008 09:54 AMI'm more entertained by the Rep party devolving from one that chose their leader based on the guy who they'd most like to have a beer with TO
a Mike Huckabee who thinks he'll entice N Carolina voters with stories about how he ate Fried Squirrel in college, cooked in the popcorn popper...
Posted by mainsailset at January 16, 2008 09:55 AMWas Kerry a wine guy? How did that work out for him?
mainsail: Any mention of fried squirrels in the Bible?
Posted by TIKI AL at January 16, 2008 10:15 AMI would take the story with a grain of salt. Matier and Ross are a couple of "local" columnists in the SF Chronicle who get incredibly incensed about cops or bus drivers getting big overtime pay, but who never met a corporate executive they would criticize. When they range statewide or national, they often function as "concern trolls" playing up divisions among Democrats. While not as egregious as Carla Marinucci, the Chron's right-leaning "political reporter," who refers to unions as "special interests" without quote marks, Matier and Ross reflect the Hearst-owned Chronicle's generally conservative editorial slant over past 10 years or so.
Posted by baked potato at January 16, 2008 10:27 AMWe live in Southern California and are Hillary supporters. We both have advanced degrees and I've published two books (big whoop, I know). We drink Corona in the summer (hey--it's HOT here) and Cabernet in the "winter."
Boozers for Hillary!
Posted by gandalf at January 16, 2008 10:28 AMI love V Sattui Gamay Rouge (the only wine I can stand) and I live in the 4th District which is redder than Idaho and hate beer and I'm still for Edwards.
Posted by dianne at January 16, 2008 10:28 AMMmmmm? Everything is anecdotal so I've got no idea.
Lots of signs in San Francisco for both. Above 35 carpet munchers lean heavily towards Hillary while the younger pissed off crowd seems less pro woman and more anti old folks runnin' shit (they don't seem to know to much about the issues though). Gay dudes seem split over both. Most liberal of the crowd loves edwards. Heck, i don't know. nobody seems to HATE any of the candidates like they hate hillary on the liberal blogs.
TikiAl - A quick Google search led me to the parable of the Roman Emperor Domitian who declared that the Apostle John be BOILED in oil. Apparently that didn't kill John as he continued to preach from the vat...
Now if we could just get Huckabee's squirrels to talk
Posted by mainsailset at January 16, 2008 10:41 AMBoozers for Hillary!
Now THERE'S a movement I can get behind! Except that I'm a wine drinker. Would it be ok if I drank wine out of a box?
Posted by merciless at January 16, 2008 10:43 AMFunny timing on this post. I just called the OC Democratic Party headquarters in order to find out where I could volunteer phone banking for Hillary Clinton and pick up yard signs and a couple of bumper stickers.
I'll be dropping by their office late this afternoon to pick them up.
I like red wine (it's good for the heart, or so I've heard) an occasional beer but wear a Rolex and drive a Ford ranger pickup and live in very high end community and am currently unemployed and am facing the horror of being without health insurance at age 57.
Hope is not a plan. I will be working just as hard to get Clinton elected as I will be to find a new career with some insurance.
Posted by ken at January 16, 2008 10:48 AMThe chronicle is being silly. I think Baked Potato has got these Chronicle writers dead to rights.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 16, 2008 11:02 AMAs someone who has lived in the Bay Area for 8 years, I would say that's about right. I live in San Francisco and work in Palo Alto and the vast majority of my friends and co-workers who are voting are going Obama. That's not to say Hillary doesn't have support here, she does, it's just that Obama's backers, to me, seem more visible here.
If the general idea is that more moderate to (dare I say, conservative) Dems go for Hillary and more progressive types go for Obama, then it makes total sense that the conservative middle of the state (aka the Inland Empire) and the O.C. and San Diego (military) would go to Clinton and the Bay Area, home to Berkley and Free Love, would go Obama. Of course, there's also a very large black population in Oakland and the East Bay up here and a large black population in L.A. (but not large enough to override the Latino population, which for now I think will vote Hillary).
Obama has had a few massive rallies here in S.F. and Oakland. I think Hillary has been doing smaller events with high level donors. Also, I wonder what Edwards does to Obama's Bay Area support. He's running the furtherest left of all 3, but some of the truly hard core lefties might vote for Dennis K.
Hollywood is going to be really key. Not that they have a lot of votes, but they do have a lot of power and Clinton has a lot of long standing support there, but I think some is going to peel off to Obama as well.
Posted by Mike P at January 16, 2008 11:35 AMAmerica picks a president!
Make mine vodka. A double.
Posted by euzoius at January 16, 2008 11:38 AMWould it be ok if I drank wine out of a box?
What a sexist comment!
SoS! You cad! *smirk*
Posted by iamcoyote at January 16, 2008 12:28 PMWhat a sexist comment!
My bad. It was a totally innocent comment. Next time I'll ask the box first...
hahaha!
Posted by merciless at January 16, 2008 12:55 PMI live in San Francisco, and would much rather see Obama than Clinton.
I have a BA from a top University.
I occasionally drink wine.
Mostly, however, I drink beer. Specifically, Anchor Liberty Ale.
It's local, and delicious.
I hate Corona.
While there are plenty of cork dorks throughout the Bay Area, craft beer is also huge here, too. The San Francisco area is easily the second most important region for craft beer in the country (with Portland being the first). I write about beer for a living, so I'm somewhat biased, but most of the craft beer drinkers I know are younger, as liberal as all get-out and highly educated, too. But I suspect that pollster is falling into the trap that all beer is beer from the big three mega-brewers and ignoring that craft beer sales in the Bay Area are well above the national average.
J
P.S. - curiously, a regular column I write for an east-coast based brewspaper is called "The Left Coaster."
Posted by Jay Brooks at January 16, 2008 01:35 PMThey say that the younger voters support Obama, while the older voters support Hillary. If Hillary wins will we see another November where young people don't vote? Seems to me that Hillary gives the Republicans the best chance to win by naturally suppressing the young vote.
Posted by OHB at January 16, 2008 02:13 PMcraft beer drinkers
Dear God! That's about the most snobish comment I've ever read about beer.
Posted by snark at January 16, 2008 02:23 PMI guess those blue collar folk want Hillary to make like her hubby and get those pesky jobs shipped overseas.
Posted by RAM at January 16, 2008 02:27 PMBeer's beer, innit?
Posted by iamcoyote at January 16, 2008 02:50 PMnothing "snobish" (sic) about craft brewing
it involves using only grain, hops, yeast and water,
not all the crap the big breweries add,
and it means supporting local businesses in many cases,
but to each their own- if you want to drink bland bud or flavorless coors, fine with me
doesn't mean i'm a snob for drinking craft brews
jeez, liberals are supposed to be open-minded and tolerant, aren't they?
Posted by Olie at January 16, 2008 03:48 PMIf you listen to talk radio in the Bay Area, you'll find the callers seem heavily weighted towards Obama - young and old, , male and female, black and white. One 60-year old nurse who's raised three kids said she started out pro-Hillary but Obama changed her mind. I've talked to young people who will vote in their first primary for Obama.
Don't know what they drink, however.
Posted by at January 16, 2008 05:04 PMnothing "snobish" (sic) about craft brewing
Nor about highlighting typos by others? But it's telling that you're acquainted with the proper spelling of snobbish. Pointing out typos is a rather odd preoccupation for a person seemingly less than rigorous about capitalization and punctuation though.
In any event, I didn't say there was anything snobbish about craft brewing. I said it was a snobbish comment. Spelling? Check. Reading comprehension? Keep working.
It was the "cork dorks" comment juxtaposed with the "craft beer drinkers" that rubbed me the wrong way.
and it means supporting local businesses in many cases,
Isn't there another beverage industry in Northern California that one could make a similiar case for? Hmmmm? I seem to recall...
but to each their own- if you want to drink bland bud or flavorless coors, fine with me
Did I say I prefer to drink either of those? I don't believe I did. You know what happens when you assume, right?
doesn't mean i'm a snob for drinking craft brews
No one called you a snob. But perhaps there's something you'd like to get off your chest?
jeez, liberals are supposed to be open-minded and tolerant, aren't they?
Indeed. And 'cork dorks' is a term of respect or affection I suppose.
Posted by snark at January 16, 2008 07:02 PM