Let's do it, Obama! The proof will be in the pudding.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 19, 2008 12:28 PMCNN entrance polls say 59% of Dem voters women, and the 60+ group is the highest turnout, while young voters are low.
That would seem to be beneficial to Clinton.
And btw, if you look at the entrance polls at CNN
here, their prediction is (computed from male and female vote percentages): Clinton 48, Obama 33
I'm really dissapointed in Edwards' showing. I've been an Edwards' supporter from way back and I want him to stay viable until I can cast my vote for himon super tuesday at least. I've been hoping Hrc and obama would kind of cancel each other out and we could get a fighting progressive.
this is the weirdest election cycle I've ever seen.
aimai
Posted by aimai at January 19, 2008 12:41 PMOn the republican side, Ron Paul and John McCain are trading places for 2nd and 3rd--around 12% each. The Huckster is way down at 8%
Posted by CG at January 19, 2008 12:43 PMI got the Dem NV page to display for a few seconds before it refreshed again. With over 35% of precincts reporting, HRC is a fraction over 50% (I'm doing memory here), Obama is at @ 44%, and Edwards is not quite up to 5%.
Posted by Fergus at January 19, 2008 12:50 PMI'd be happy to see Clinton win Nevada (I heard some commentator say that if she didn't, there'd be more lawsuits which would just be bad) and Obama win SC to keep this thing going. It would be even better if both were on the same day like they are for the republicans.
Posted by CG at January 19, 2008 12:56 PMNot surprised at the Clinton numbers, nor Obama. Clinton has been in a far lead since mid 2007. Obama's numbers only just picked up after Iowa and NH.
Anyone know if these caucuses are using the same 15% viability rule as Iowa and the national party convention? That would be another reason why Edwards is getting hammered.
Posted by idiosynchronic at January 19, 2008 01:12 PMIt's over. Hillary wins. Truthfully, and disappointedly, I think it's over for Obama. He picks up South Carolina, sure, but that's it. He needed momentum, and the Hispanic vote, for California, but he won't get that.
The Dems have spoken. Hillary's will be the one.
I guess I won't be voting this election, or if I do, it'll be as a Green or something, maybe even -- horrors! -- Republican (and no, I won't vote for Huckabee, McCain, Rudy, or Ron Paul). America is supposed to be based on republican, democratic ideals, not ideals of hereditary monarchy.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 19, 2008 01:14 PMBig win for Hillary today. With Obama capturing the culinary workers union endorsement, some were suggesting he started this morning with a 5% head start.
First diverse state to vote so far, she supposedly got about 65% of the latino vote....big win.
Posted by Jeff Dinelli at January 19, 2008 01:17 PMbrian,
thank you for proving what you're really made of. if you actually gave a damn about the issues, and what happens to the country and the world, you'd take any dem over any repug. people don't vote in monarchies. they're choosing hillary. hope and change, indeed.
Put the hemlock down, Brian. It's not the end of the world. And certainly not the end of the race.
Posted by idiosynchronic at January 19, 2008 01:20 PMBrian should go over to kos. They're wailing and gnashing teeth right now.
Go Hillary!
Posted by merciless at January 19, 2008 01:22 PMThe MSM Talking Heads will now declare Obama dead, so game, set, match Clinton Dynasty. 2008 will devolve into the "crucial issue" of whether Murica wants Clinton II after Bush II.
The Clintons won it fair and square, but I think it's quite clear that many progressives will have no enthusiasm whatever for another round of Clintonism, and this will return the DNC to the DLC for good.
Hopefully all these Clinton caucusers today are ready to do lots of volunteering and dirtywork. Methinks the Repubs are cheerin'.
At least she won't be needing any money from ordinary schmoes....this will also take the wind out of the progressive sails for House races as well.
Posted by euzoius at January 19, 2008 01:39 PMThere were 2 Edwards supporters and 4 undecided in the Caesars Palace caucus room.(watched on CNN)
The big muscular red shirted Obama peeps screamed and intimidated 4 to go with them, 1 brave soul went against the union and red shirt gang and went with Hillary, and one de-registered and went home pouting and sniveling like Brian.
The whole process would have looked right at home in any banana republic in the world.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 19, 2008 01:46 PMTurkana, I do care about the issues.
And one of the issues is the following.
4 years of a Bush (and we could add in his 8 years of veep).
Followed by 8 years of a Clinton.
Followed by 8 years of another Bush.
And, now, perhaps, another 4 to 8 years of another Clinton.
Somewhere between a quarter to half century (depending on what Hillary does, of course, and depending on when you count Bush I's ascent to power) of American politics controlled by 2 families? I think that's a big issue.
As for how liberal she is, based on the record and promises, she's no more for or against touch button issues like health care, gay rights, Iraq, and global warming than at least one of the Republican candidates (Romney). So, whatever. I may just take that big 'R' hemlock, idiosynchronic, and gnash my teeth, merciless. Or maybe I vote Green. I could almost feel good about that.
But, congratulations to Hillary. Our corporate masters will be pleased.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 19, 2008 01:48 PMPeople who simply refer to Hillary candidacy as just another Clinton Dynasty are beeing dishonest, if she wins, Hillary will be the first woman to be elected US President and frankly speaking, she is the best candidate out there.
Posted by New Age at January 19, 2008 01:56 PMbrian,
you're flat wrong. to give one huge example, on global warming, she meets the scientific gold standard by calling for 80% emissions reductions by 2050. romney doesn't. i don't think someone should be rewarded for coming from a political family, but i don't think someone should be punished, either. unless you're playing the bullshit tweety game, you need to come to terms with the reality that hillary has had a long career in public service, from her early days working for the senate and the children's defense fund, right up through the last seven years.
Posted by Turkana at January 19, 2008 01:57 PMIt's my understanding that Edwards just didn't have many people on the ground in Nevada, and for caucuses you need people to organize and get bodies to attend. About a week ago polls saw a statistical deadheat among the three, but Clinton and Obama were trending upward in the last few days, so that may have been a blip.
I agree with aimai that I'd like to see Edwards stick around long enough to make a difference at the convention. Well, touchscreens in South Carolina, then on to Super Tuesday.
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at January 19, 2008 02:04 PMHuh. Whaddaya know. I'm sorry to see Edwards did so poorly, myself. Another good showing for Dems in particular, though the bridge burning by the Obamans seemed a bit premature last night and even more so today. Luckily, the public at large doesn't find the prospect of a Clinton nomination nearly as gloomy as some here do; I'm not as afraid of Hillary as I used to be, either, thanks to eriposte's research and Clinton's performance at the debates. But it isn't over yet, lots more states to go.
Bill and Chelsey went around shaking hands on the strip in the 11th hour and certainly didn't hurt the cause.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 19, 2008 02:39 PMDon't bail out Brian. This thing is not over.
Posted by Daryl at January 19, 2008 02:52 PMDaryl, the race is over for Obama, as far as I can see, sorry. Turkana, look at what Romney did in Mass. in regards to carbon emissions. Don't listen to everything he says, look at what he does. There's a reason the other Repubs hate him, and it's not just the mormon thing. That said, the more I think about it, the more I think I'll go Green. Boy, and I used to bash the Naderites hard. Then again, if Hillary makes Obama or Kucinich her VeeP, which I doubt, then I'd have reason to vote for her. Otherwise, I think Green may be my color in '08.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 19, 2008 03:42 PMBrian, hope you don't live in a swing state. I just don't understand people who hate Hillary Clinton so much. Voting for someone else just because she's a Clinton? Yeah, that makes sense.
Posted by CG at January 19, 2008 04:43 PMCG, I live in Michigan, definitely a swing state. LOL! We've gone blue the last few times, but only just by a hair. We can go red pretty easy -- done it in the past -- and nearly have the last two elections. Don't worry, I'm sure the Clintons and their people have thought these kinds of things through and everything will be fine for her.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 19, 2008 10:36 PM