now lets's see ..the democratic vote is being splilt between blacks and women...in a great national divide according to the press..lets examine the reasons..might it be that there is a woman and a black man running...duh..and of course which ever one wins all of the others votes will go to the republican nominee...makes perfect sense to me...duh
Posted by dpnann@verizon.net at January 20, 2008 03:35 AMnow lets's see ..the democratic vote is being splilt between blacks and women...in a great national divide according to the press..lets examine the reasons..might it be that there is a woman and a black man running...duh..and of course which ever one wins all of the others votes will go to the republican nominee...makes perfect sense to me...duh
Posted by dennis at January 20, 2008 03:35 AMYou know, I have not been posting much these past couple of months, and I admit I have not been reading all the comments. However, I know that TLC has been accused of supporting Hillary and attacking Obama.
From my persepctive, for what's it's worth, Jeff Dinelli, reporter/blogger for Hillary, has been and will probably continue to be quite prolific here at TLC in support of his candidate. However, we seldom hear from David G., campaign reporter/blogger for Obama, nor John Patric for the Edwards campaign. So Jeff, being a strong voice for Hillary dominates much of the dialogue here TLC, which by-the-way, I have no problem with (and I don't support Hillary).
Perhaps if the other campaign reporters/bloggers for the other candidates were to drop in once in a while, we could expand the dialogue.
So, who do you folks think Hillary's VP candidate will be?
I really do not think that it will be Obama: to much acrimony will develop over the next few months.
I think, perhaps, Richardson. He give her some strenght in the Southwest and will provide some "gravitas" in the foreign policy area. (Also, he has positioned himself as the one to carry the Latino vote.)
And....GO PACKERS!
Posted by Bagley at January 20, 2008 07:39 AMgo pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by dennis at January 20, 2008 07:44 AMbagley, Richardson would be fine. However, I would hope she picks someone who could debate a little better and not be so long winded.
Obama as v/p would be the republi-cons worst nightmare. I don't think he will accept it, though it would groom him perfect 4 - 8 years down the road for the presidency.
I think it will be Wesley Clark.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 20, 2008 07:46 AMPerhaps if the other campaign reporters/bloggers for the other candidates were to drop in once in a while, we could expand the dialogue.
Well, you know, Judith, we do have the luxury here at TLC to expand the dialogue in the comments since Steve's been very hands-off except for scout. We can discuss pretty much what we want, and we do. *wink, wink*
I think Steve had a good idea originally, in that he hoped to have each candidate with their own front pager reporting on all the campaigns. Unfortunately, because blogs pretty much react with the flow of news, and Clinton was on every channel, Jeff had more to cover than the other guys. And without news coverage to bounce off of, and no offense intended, but the posts by the other guys ended up sounding like cut and pastes from their websites. Add to that, Steve's (early, I thought) endorsement of Hillary, and eriposte's subsequent series on the myths perpetuated about her, both of them being prolific writers as well, it just ended up that the focus has become about Hillary, or more aptly, the Clinton/Obama contest for the nomination. I'd like to write more about Edwards, but frankly, but he's been blocked out of the equation. And judging by the distribution of comments in threads, that's what a lot of people want to talk about.
For myself, I'd be happy to see more posts about the world outside the campaigns; remember FISA? Remember Iraq? Maybe we need to remember what we're fighting for and why this election really is so urgent.
SoS, I thought Clark might be more suited to State... I'd like Richard Clarke back in counter terrorism, though.
Posted by iamcoyote at January 20, 2008 08:13 AMIf it's Sunday...it's "Meet The Pro-Obama Press".
I'm trying to decide which was worse, Timmeh! showing the Bill Clinton "fairytale" clip out of context AGAIN, or Tom Brokaw saying he "questions Hillary Clinton's character".
The Clinton bashing is alive and well despite Tweety having to "apologize" for 4 minutes on Heardball.
When the Giants step into the tunnel leading to the frozen tundra they will feel like they are in a dark urine stenched New York subway at 3AM with a gang of tough guys coming to beat them up and steal their pigskin wallets. Pack by 10.
Posted by TIKI AL at January 20, 2008 08:31 AMCome on, I can't be the only Giants fan here! Got Giants!
I was watching "This Week" and flipped for a moment to Chris Matthews. He was showing clips of each of the candidates singing. wtf? I switched back to George.
Posted by CG at January 20, 2008 08:54 AM"For myself, I'd be happy to see more posts about the world outside the campaigns; remember FISA? Remember Iraq? Maybe we need to remember what we're fighting for and why this election really is so urgent."
I completely agree with that statement. There is still a War going on which gets no play these days, at all. I don't think I can tolerate another eleven months of campaigning for the Presidency.
Posted by Judith at January 20, 2008 08:54 AMI should add that Turkana is doing a great job trying to cover everything, but you gotta admit, the primaries are a huge story. They're just not the only story.
Posted by iamcoyote at January 20, 2008 09:03 AMBelieve it or not...MoDo makes great commentary at the end of her op-ed today that makes sense (even a stopped republican clock is right twice a day)and is an issue that our media/politicans and country should be covered extensively. I didn't provide a link to the NYT page (it's on the right of this blog) or her column because frankly I think she's good ole boys club member who's schtick is frankly annoying the hell out of me especially since commentary like the stuff I will highlight below proves that she is capable of critical thinking and opinion minus the schtick when/if she feels like doing it. Quote from below the op-ed title...REd, White and Blue tag sale.
Maybe if the president had spent the trillion he squandered on his Iraq odyssey on energy research, we might have broken the oil addiction. Now it’s a race between Iraq, stupid, or the economy, stupid, to see which one will usher out W.The country is engaged in a fit of nativism and Lou Dobbsism, obsessing about the millions of Mexicans who might be sneaking across the border when billions in foreign money are pouring into Citigroup. You figure out what might be a bigger problem.
The national boundaries that really matter are the financial ones: Who’s going to own the American economy?
It's the The Stupid Bushco Economy, stupid. (or is that redundant?
Oh, we'll have plenty of disasters occurring to spice up the Great Race of 08.
This week will likely be a stock market show as the companies that "insure" many of these crappy mortage-backed bonds essentially went belly up on Friday when their stock price collapsed and one of the bond ratings agencies made a crucial "downgrade" to one of those insurers.
This is a disaster for these bonds and the banks that hold them.
And the Iran drumbeat is rising in volume again, with Team Petraeus back to blaming demonic Iranian IEDs for killing the surging trooops. So that golden oldie is back to climbin' the Hit Parade charts....speedboat confrontation in Hormuz, Iranian IEDs, good times, good times.
Posted by euzoius at January 20, 2008 09:21 AMgreat post. and I completely agree. If the obama supporters continue to be this rabid and refuse to support the eventual nominee, there is no difference then in the MSN and the mess that is called W's administration....You cannot try to manipulate the voters...Their choices must be respected....
Posted by athyrio at January 20, 2008 09:32 AMJudith, I think it would help, too, if Left Coaster's "reporters" would maintain some semblance of objectivity. Advocacy journalism need not descend into outright cheerleading and name-calling on behalf of a single candidate as it has here on Left Coaster.
Iamcoyote, you're making excuses for bad coverage. There's plenty to talk about surrounding Edwards' campaign, and blogs -- the supposed new alternative media -- are supposed to be adept at covering it. Instead, Left Coaster has become nothing but a megaphone for Hillary cheerleading.
I just miss the old Left Coaster that was not as devoted to a single candidate as it is now. This is nothing like 2004.
Posted by Brian Bell at January 20, 2008 09:32 AMYou Can't ALWAYS Get What You Want (But I'll Try Accommodating Your Request for More on Obama.) N.b. I have no official ties to the campaign.
I'll give you a report as a volunteer for the Obama campaign here in Fargo, ND. We've opened three offices across the state, with four paid staffers. Senator Obama has certainly demonstrated an interest in developing the Democratic party here, as he has in states across the country. That type of commitment is part of the reason he carried the rural areas on Nevada and won the "hypothetical" delegate count! Even in the small (and "Red") states like North Dakota, his campaign has put feet on the ground and I can tell you that the people are responding!
I am confident that soon after being Sworn in as President of the US in 2009, Barack Obama will choose a cabinet that will better represent all Americans than any president since Lincoln. He will be a leader who implores each citizen to play a part in economic recovery and amelioration of America's image abroad. No politician works alone, but each president must employ a capacity to filter events and ideas from disparate constituencies. Barack Obama demonstrated that he has the judgment to make the correct choices to difficult quandaries when he campaigned for the Senate on the premise that a preemptive war against Iraq would distract us from the focus on combatting terrorism.
Before you mimic the Bill Clinton fairy tale interpretation of Barack's consistent stance on the Iraq war since achieving office, it is also a testament to his judgment that he has supported funding the war, despite his initial opposition. He astutely recognized that once engaged in Iraq, it is essential to Iraqi, US, and global security to try to accomplish what we can to develop Iraqi independence from American involvement. We can't just go back and change the 2004 Congressional vote that authorized the war, so we realistically deal. Dealing does not mean voting against funding the health services for our troops and their family members, nor their capacity to defend themselves while trying to route out militant insurgents. Bill Clinton has descended to this pathetic sophistry out of fear that democrats want to go in a new direction (and actually win a general election) by choosing Obama as their nominee. Can't he go to Sudan, Iraq, or the Middle East and try to do something to help the world and stop trying to grab a pseudo-third term?
(This is not to say that Hillary would ask for his intimate involvement in the execution of the office; she'd be more than capable of being a good president, I have no doubt. But, could Bill Clinton resist his own 'will to power?' Furthermore, could he avoid making the types of gaffes he's made on the campaign trail, and to a more embarrassing and devastating level, on the international stage)
A relatively close second to Sen. Clinton in Nevada is a minor Obama victory (putting the projected slight delegate count advantage aside) after having been behind her in the Nevada polls by 20% points as recently as two months ago.
When Sen. Obama is able to overcome the initial sentiment of inevitability for Sen. Clinton, citizens of states across the country are responding to his call for them to play a role in the rejuvenation of America.