A snow day (or rather icy and extremely windy) for MidMI schools, yay!
Best line:
"Let’s give each millionaire in America a $20 bill, and every poor child $287,000."
That Bush, what a generous guy.
Posted by Sharon at January 30, 2008 05:03 AMhe who must be obeyed frequently compares himself to great presidents of the past when referring to the g.w.o.t: truman, roosevelt, and lincoln. can you imagine him saying this???
"but it has been well said that a selfish and greedy people cannot be free. the american people must decide whether these things are worth making sacrifices of money,of energy, and of self."
--fdr, as quoted by glenn greenwald...
again from mr. greenwald:
... the erosion of america's moral credibility is that the reprehensible policies that caused it were justified as necessary steps in a moralistic mission. the moral certitude is what enabled, is what spawned, some of the most amoral acts in our country's history...
i can't see no other reason than to vote democrat this november...
Posted by anthony at January 30, 2008 05:17 AM
So is it better for Clinton to go up against McCain in the general, or Romney? What about Obama?
Clinton vs. McCain:
--both can claim experience
--McCain is painted as a straight talker while Hillary is painted as a triangulator
--McCain will claim he was right on Iraq all along, while Clinton's views have shifted (which I have no problem with)
--Even though McCain has been in Washington forever, he is seen as a maverick--a change agent. Hillary is seen as a Washington insider.
So can she beat him?
Substitute Obama and you've got someone with less experience who is inspirational, but can also be painted as having shifting views and triangulating a bit. He's also pledged to raise taxes by upping the income cap on social security taxes.
Substitute Romney and you've got someone perceived to be great on the economy, but definitely has shifting views--on everything. But tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts. He wants to cut the capital gains tax to 0. Lots of people will like that. No national security experience--would people trust either of the likely dems over him?
I don't like to play the electability game because I thought for sure Bush would be easy to beat in 2000. I mean, who would vote for such a moron? So I've given up, but I'd be interested in what you all think.
Posted by CG at January 30, 2008 05:21 AMAP reporting Edwards is out.dd
Posted by CG at January 30, 2008 06:09 AMBREAKING: MSNBC reports that Edwards is dropping out TODAY! Probably to endorse Obama!
No s*it!
Posted by at January 30, 2008 06:11 AMSee ya later Edwards and Rudi. Now let the fireworks begin with no other "not Clintons" in the race. He'll just have to be happy with his personal 'presidential' residence.
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 06:11 AMJohn Edwards wants to Barack's Attorney General, no wonder he'll endorse Obama.
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 06:14 AMHey Jeff D., want to tell us about global warming today from Chicago?
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 06:15 AMUPDATE: Looks like Edwards will hold off on any formal endorsement for the moment...
Posted by at January 30, 2008 06:20 AMJohn Edwards would make an excellent choice for AG whether it be Obama or Hillary. I wish him well. He would have been a good and honorable President.
Posted by Judith at January 30, 2008 06:33 AMA couple thoughts or three. First, although I called him McToast long ago, it turns out that the sorry field of GOP contenders was tailor made for McOld from the start..I just missed it there. He's the only one with national name recognition and in the end, that's what paid off against a bunch of regional GOP loser candidates. It wasn't so long ago that many on the left were actually pitching him for a Dem VP spot. I don't think the country will elect him, but if it does, it will be a rocky four years, at best. Second, with Edwards out, Hillary is in. We'll see if they country wants her, lord knows eriposte does. Finally, its the votes, stupid. The total Dem vote turnout in FLA for its top two far exceeded the count for the top two GOPers, even with the knowledge that their vote had no delegates attached. The Genius Rove's of the world will now have to swallow hard and do the biggest Flip-Flop in history to run the hated McOld for president against a country determined to throw the bums out. Don't forget, before he flip-flopped on the Surge, McOld literally called the Bush Admin incompetent for their Iraq War operations. I guarantee that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will never forgive that. Time will tell where they get their revenge.
Posted by T2 at January 30, 2008 06:38 AMWell, that sucks! Once again, a champion for the poor is fucked over by big corp.
Now we have to hear the continual shit stirrers from the clinton-obama camps.
Looks like I'll reluctantly throw my support behind Obama now.
snark is right, I'd like to know who Obama's first choices for his cabinet will be!
i can't see no other reason than to vote democrat this november...
Posted by anthony at January 30, 2008 05:17 AM
That sure does not surprise me !
You know jj we used to have a one sentence troll here who was a lot better than you. What was his name, Bendover... bendejo... something like that... anyway he was much better than you.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 30, 2008 06:48 AMI am disappointed about Edwards. I remember reading none other than Joe Trippi, racking up yet another goose egg in his campaign manager history, saying that, if they could at least score 225 delegates, they could be "King/Queen makers at the convention. Perhaps they've been crunching some disheartening numbers and thinking of post campaign debt. Or, perhaps he thinks his dropping out will help Barack win the nod. Somehow, I can't see him wanting Clinton to be the candidate, but then, what do I know. Many "experts" have argued on both sides as to whom his absence would help more. I don't think anyone knows for sure.
I'll try to listen to his speech during my lunch break and see what he has to say. As usual, we are now left to pick the best of a pretty rum lot, as far as true progressive values are concerned. The mega-champions of corporate donations are now, effectively, all that are left. Despite a personal acceptance of Hillary, the person, I can't support her because she is ineluctably embedded in the corporate, Beltway power structure. At least with Barack, we have a very dim hope of real change.
"we have a very dim hope of real change". Change is a toughie. I'm old enough to have survived the Summer of Love in the 60's, when we were all convinced that as soon as our Generation got old enough to run for office, get elected and govern we'd really change things- throw the LBJ's and Nixon's out (actually we did throw LBJ and Nixon out) and work for a government "for all the people". When that time happened we got Bill Clinton then George W. Bush. And we got plenty of change, but not the kind of change we'd foreseen back in '68. We got, at least in Bush's case, just more of the same rotten politics we'd protested in Nixon. Obama might preach Change, Hillary might say change, but getting change is another thing, it would seem. Nothing wrong with trying, though.
Posted by T2 at January 30, 2008 07:35 AM"Well, that sucks! Once again, a champion for the poor is fucked over by big corp."
Seven of Six, and the media.
I am disappointed too. The sad thing is that Edwards really didn't have a chance. Appointing him as AG would be a natural fit. Maybe he could go in and clean out that cesspool.
Posted by Judith at January 30, 2008 07:41 AM
T2, we got change alright, and your correct, it is not the kind of change we invisioned. I'm not so sure the change we wanted was ever possible, now that I am older and not a child of the 60s. However, I would never try to dissuade anyone from hoping for change.
Posted by Judith at January 30, 2008 07:47 AMor working for change.
Posted by Judith at January 30, 2008 07:50 AM9/11 changed the world..for the forseeable future..my dad always use to tell me that the world was 3 things..the way things used to be..the way you'd like them to be..and the way things really are..that's the one to keep your eye on
Posted by dennis at January 30, 2008 08:03 AMHey Jeff D., want to tell us about global warming today from Chicago?
Petey, Global warming is known for its extremes and anomalies.
Rare January tornados in Vancouver, WA, Montana, and another one in New York or Conn.
A couple of years back here in AZ, we had 144 consecutive days without rain in Winter, the previous record was 92 days! That's called shattering a record!
Extremes in cold and heat, anomalies in precipitation and drought... get it!
You might not understand it, but please STFU!
anyway he was much better than you.
Posted by Seven of Six at January 30, 2008 06:48 AM
Thanks for the compliment !!
Global warming or man made global warming is about as specific as a glob of clay. It can be made to resemble anything one wishes. That so "scientific". Two years in a row, snow in southern California.
Sorry your guy's gone Seven, time to turn to your senator now. He represents you so well.
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 09:13 AMTwo years in a row, snow in southern California.
What part of anomaly don't you understand?
Sorry your guy's gone Seven...
You're such an insincere prick, petey... kinda like when you go to airports to welcome home soldiers... I'll vote for the guy that sends you in harms way... then welcome you home... only if you're still healthy and alive!
...time to turn to your senator now. He represents you so well.
How many votes has McOld missed this year? More than any Senator I bet! Represents us so well indeed!
Well let see, Senator Obama is the Chair of a foreign affairs sub cmt for Europe. It's never met, he's never been to Europe. Great experience there, great leadersheep there.
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 09:48 AM"He inlisted in Patton's army." B. Obama 11:56 AM 01/30/2008
There's more great framing there. This guy really understands how things work.
Posted by peter at January 30, 2008 09:52 AM