I'm watching online and for some reason the video is slow, it keeps buffering and it's really annoying, so I may give up soon. Let me know if they get the surge question again and how they answer.
Posted by CG at February 26, 2008 06:24 PMI too am having buffering problems. I e-mailed my ISP bitching about the DSL speed, but maybe this is a MSNBC problem. I miss my cable connection!
Posted by tommy at February 26, 2008 06:42 PMI know it might seem out there, but I think Hillary and Obama are actually having fun. They've dismissed the moderators for the most part, and are really having it out. It's like watching a baseball game, a pitching game; the score may be 0-0, but what a bout, eh?
And, really, fuck Russert. What a tool!
Posted by iamcoyote at February 26, 2008 07:08 PMHow can anybody waste time watching debates between two mediocre has-been nothings like Hill and Bam?
Where is Cindy Sheehan next to Hill on the campaign trail? Where are the parents of dead soldiers accomanying Bam on his campaign stops?
Iraq is never mentioned. Why?
Posted by Tuffy at February 26, 2008 07:09 PMRussert is a remarkably belligerent and insistent pig. I'm glad Hillary at least pushed back on one question, "Will you re-invade Iraq when al Qaeda takes over?" as pure hypothetical drivel. They should have ignored every one of his questions.
Instead, when Russert tried to paint Obama with everyone in Chicago who's made anti-semitic remarks, Obama just had to defend his love and pledge eternal fealty for Israel. His lowest moment in a debate he generally won.
Posted by DemnNewJ at February 26, 2008 08:02 PMThe correct answer to the AQ in Iraq bullshit is that the Shiites will kill those motherfuckers, every last one of them, before we could even get our Humvees fueled up and ready to go. There will be no AQ in Iraq a few days after we're gone. The Shiite militias will dispatch of AQI with extreme prejudice.
The premise is total bullshit and conveys a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics on the ground in Iraq and within the Muslim world.
Stupid fucking moderators. Uneducated yokels.
Posted by RAM at February 26, 2008 08:09 PMAnd, really, fuck Russert. What a tool!
Russert is a remarkably belligerent and insistent pig.
Stupid fucking moderators. Uneducated yokels.
I think we have found an issue on which Clinton supporters and Obama supporters will be united in agreement!
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at February 26, 2008 08:44 PMNa-na-na-na. Na-na-na-na. Hey, Hey, Hillary, Good-Bye.
What a bore tonight. There is no need to debate the minor differences on this or that issue.
The bottom line: Hillary did nothing to change the dynamics of this race. As a result, it is over folks. Time to sweep up and turn out the lights. We've got a general election to get to...
Posted by at February 26, 2008 09:43 PMThere was a debate tonight?
Again?
Posted by idiosynchronic at February 26, 2008 09:46 PMHillary should concede tomorrow. Save herself the bitter end.
Posted by Qwerty at February 27, 2008 12:15 AMObama just had to defend his love and pledge eternal fealty for Israel. His lowest moment in a debate he generally won.
Which begs the question, why does anyone think Obama is going to "change" anything about Washington? The inability to even address anything remotely critical of Israel (or that could even appear to be linked to a criticism of Israel) is about as "politics as usual" as one can get.
[shakes head]
Posted by snark at February 27, 2008 06:47 AMI really didn't like Obama's "we haven't whined about it" line regarding campaign tactics. I don't think Hillary was whining. He could have said "we haven't made an issue of it" or "we haven't complained about it", but whine? I thought that was uncalled for.
Posted by CG at February 27, 2008 07:16 AM"Iraq is never mentioned. Why?"
odd you mention Iraq, you posting from there?
Tuffy? is that your gay porn name?
Posted by Gay Veteran at February 27, 2008 07:24 AMAnother thing I noticed--why is it the dems always run away from the charge that they are liberal. Obama was "accused" of being the most liberal senator and his answer basically was that no he's not. But the republicans are clamoring to be the most conservative. Romney insisted he was the most conservative and McCain is trying to prove he's conservative enough. Why have the dems absorbed this media/right-wing talking point that being a liberal is bad?
Posted by CG at February 27, 2008 09:58 AM"Where is Cindy Sheehan next to Hill on the campaign trail?"
Why would Cindy Sheehan want to join Hillary, who never met a military action she did not love, and who, contrary to her recent rhetoric to the contrary, has been one of the strongest and most consistent Democratic supporters of Georgie's Excellent Iraq Adventure?
Posted by Shirin at February 27, 2008 12:42 PM"The correct answer to the AQ in Iraq bullshit is that the Shiites will kill those motherfuckers, every last one of them, before we could even get our Humvees fueled up and ready to go."
While I appreciate, and agree with this statement in general, I need to point out that this is not a Sunni vs Shi`a matter. Among the many things the majority of Sunnis and the majority of Shi`as are united about, it is the need to get rid of this so-called "al Qa`eda in Iraq". (The biggest item of agreement is the need to rid Iraq of the American imperial presence.)
"There will be no AQ in Iraq a few days after we're gone."
AQ in Iraq is mostly a make-believe anyway. First, there are only a very few thousands of them, second, they are, with possible rare exceptions, nothing but knock-off groups who use the Al Qa`eda brand without having anything to do with the real thing.
"The Shiite militias will dispatch of AQI with extreme prejudice."
Again, no. Iraqis will dispatch them. And I would point out, by the way, that the groups that have been fighting the "Al Qa`eda in Iraq" knock-offs (which were formerly dubbed "foreign fighters" or "foreign jihadis" by the foreign fighters of the U.S. occupation forces) are Sunnis. Sunni groups have been fighting against these "foreign fighter"/"foreign jihadi"/AQI types since 2004. All that has changed recently is that the Americans finally backed off on their attacks against Iraqi Sunni groups, and started paying them off and arming them to do what they were doing all along.
"The premise is total bullshit and conveys a complete lack of understanding of the dynamics on the ground in Iraq and within the Muslim world."
Yup!
Posted by Shirin at February 27, 2008 12:54 PMThat was honestly the the worst debate I have ever seen. I used to have respect for Russert but he was too busy patting himself on the back for asking stupid questions that were even unworthy of Meet the Press, let alone a debate. They forgot that they were in Ohio, and barely asked questions relevant to Ohio or anyone else. Who cares about Farrakhan or Clinton's taxes? As for Brian Williams, what the hell kind of question is "how were her comments about you unfair?" seriously wtf? that's something a therapist asks a spouse in couples therapy not a national debate. The housing crisis is crushing Ohio and the asses who pretended to moderate didn't even bother to ask about it.
Posted by Kacey at February 27, 2008 02:47 PM