Taylor Marsh? Never heard of her.
Posted by nerdoff at March 12, 2008 06:44 AMSinbad just has to point out that there are three candidates who have passed the threshold for commander in chief. McCain, of course, Hilary, yes. BUT DON'T FORGET SINBAD!!! GIVE SINBAD HIS PROPERS!
Posted by Sinbad at March 12, 2008 06:45 AMI thought the whole 60 Minutes thing was ridiculous. I saw the whole clip and she absolutely said he was not a Muslim and when she kept being asked about it, it almost sounded like she was getting suspicious, like "do you know something I don't know? Why do you keep asking?" and that's when she said absolutely not, as far as I know. If you say it to yourself, you can see how it's something reasonable to say in that circumstance. Almost like any minute Kroft was going to pull at irrefutable evidence that Obama was really a Muslim and say "aha--what do you think NOW?" Absurd.
Posted by CG at March 12, 2008 07:03 AMYeah, Obama wouldn't be in the position he's in if he wasn't a black man.
eriposte, the same meme that Ferraro has been waving around the quadrangle the last couple of days is what Gloria Steinem, the old CIA propagandist, was floating at the eve of the New Hampshire election. Twice now. Coincidentally these people rooting for Clinton are spewing forth this divisive, racist sludge that one type of discrimination trumps another so we should go with the poor Wellesley girl.
If you think that Obama's campaign gets away with this and Clinton's doesn't, how come Ferraro is still blathering while Power was kicked the curb?
eriposte, you can link to all the posts that deny that there is any racism on the part of Clinton's campaign. Her campaign is either leading or following Rush Limbaugh's strategy of getting racist Republicans to vote for her, or, in closed elections, stirring up racial hostilities in order to get more white voters scared and angry enough to retreat to the right.
If you're happy with that, if you can sleep with that kind of behavior from your candidate, that's a commentary on you, not the election. You own her, you own the racism.
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at March 12, 2008 07:09 AMSoooo sorry, litle Barry isn't going to get my vote. He obviously didn't want it to begin with, or he and his surrogates wouldn't have spewed their crap.
Posted by at March 12, 2008 07:20 AMWhile I generally agree that the press has been harder on Hillary than on Obama, I am astounded to see the claim made that "... Obama is never responsible for anything said by his surrogates whether or not he distances himself from them" less than one week after his foreign policy advisor left his campaign after making a stupid comment about Hillary. Also, some (though not all) of the criticism of her campaign tactics is completely justified. Who can say with a straight face that Hillary won Michigan? She was the only big name candidate who failed to remove her name from the ballot and she still got less votes than "Other". Also, many dems crossed over to vote for Romney, as they were encouraged to do by other dems, in order to slow down McCain.
If I were advising Obama, I'd say he should write an open letter to the Clinton campaign and say that she can have the 22% of the votes she got if he can have the 78% she didn't get.
I say this as someone who was, until recently, a strong Hillary supporter.
Posted by TR at March 12, 2008 07:20 AMI'm sure you all noticed that Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh's program just prior to Ohio and Texas. Yesterday Republicans (who would never consider such a thing in the general election) voted for Hillary in alarmingly large numbers. So Bill and Hillary are now in league with Rush Limbaugh. When Obama was getting Republican votes, Hillary's backers were outraged. Now that the situation is reversed, are you still?
Posted by at March 12, 2008 07:22 AMThanks so much for the information and the actual links. I pass these along to friends throughout the country (and even world).
Though I expect - as you are finding in the comments - that truth doesn't sit very well with "true believers." On the other hand, some of us are glad to remain in the actual reality based community.
Posted by cdalygo at March 12, 2008 07:26 AMHuh, who knew Sinbad's still around? Still not all that funny, is he?
I wonder, does Bob and the other Obamites really believe that making people think they're going to have to spend the next 5 years worrying about whether anything they say might be construed as racist is a good campaign strategy? Does he think that the threat of a race war is going to help him in the GE? Now that Rove has signed on with McCain, you just know that's going to be the main angle of attack from the right, with the media as their megaphone. With all this whining, Obama's playing right into that meme.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 07:32 AMfunny thing here...
he had to refute/ denounce louis f. and his pastor. he fired a campaign staffer for calling h.c. a "monster," but geraldine can lay that kind a crap out there and she "does not agree," with what she said, while equating what geraldine said to both their campaigns, while her campaign manager screams about his breaking a pledge to not negatively campaign because he called geraldine out??? the irony is too rich for words.
once again she proves she'd sell her soul to win an election. how is it that he's qualified to be the v.p. but not the potus? exactly what is her 35 years of experience? if she pulls this out, i don't see him grasping the laurel wreath, nor do i see the dem party recovering from the schism she'd gleefully create in the party... she wants power so much, i see her crossing over to join mc cain since he'd probably not make it the full four anyway...
Posted by anthony at March 12, 2008 07:39 AMiamacoyote,
If you go around telling African Americans who've reached some level of success that they have succeeded because of the color of their skin you'll have a lifetime of difficulty, not just five years, unless maybe you're living in Geraldine's retirement community.
The "threat of a race war"? Now you're entering David Duke country, iamacoyote. If Obama people ask Clinton to have her surrogates stop spewing racist talking points, why do you suddenly leap to "race war"? A very peculiar path that your mind travels.
You are who you are, iamacoyote. Your eloquence on the topic is enough for me.
As pointed out above, Clinton and Limbaugh are now united for the purpose of "bloodying" Obama. Glad to see that's a comfortable fit for you.
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at March 12, 2008 07:50 AMClinton is automatically responsible for everything stupid that her surrogates say even when she distances herself from them, however Obama is never responsible for anything said by his surrogates whether or not he distances himself from them.
I normally don't even bother with your Clinton spin anymore, eriposte, but you're really making fun of yourself here. Obama denounced and rejected Farrakhan and dismissed a talented advisor because she said one stupid word she immediately regretted yet Clinton can just "not agree" with Ferraro's insistence that Obama is only where he is because he's a black man and that she is now being attacked for being white?
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at March 12, 2008 07:56 AMhere is an election read for you, eriposte. Of the last 17 primaries, Obama has won 15 (yes, TX too) and Clinton has won 2. Now, go your dictionary and look up the words "rout" and "lopsided".
I wonder, does Bob and the other Obamites really believe that making people think they're going to have to spend the next 5 years worrying about whether anything they say might be construed as racist is a good campaign strategy? Does he think that the threat of a race war is going to help him in the GE?
You effectively illustrate why Ferraro's ignorance is truly spectacular - it hurts Obama's campaign when anyone brings race into the discussion. We expect this kind of crap from the Republicans, but we should expect better from our own party. That's why Ferraro needs to be called on it.
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at March 12, 2008 08:06 AMbob
Coyote hops on the race issue every chance he gets.
Ignores any facts by denigrating them with jokes "in Hillarys panties" is one of his replies to factual questions. hangnail comparisions for dead americans soldiers in the Iraq War. Strangely his racists comments particularly "race War" comment is quite revealing of older generation use of race issue even among certain democrats. I have always known there would be democrats against Obama because of his race. Some are paternalistic toward black people, like Gerry Ferraro, who believes she was a leader in the party for equal rights. Now she feels Obama should know his "place" and wait until the party leaders say he is ready.
I was active in her campaign with Mondale in NYC and am quite certain she is misguided in her beliefs.
Fortunately the racists are a dying breed. Note the actions of the younger voters particularly in this Presidential election year. Yeah Baby racisum is dying in America, it only took several hundred years Gerry!!!!
If Obama people ask Clinton to have her surrogates stop spewing racist talking points, why do you suddenly leap to "race war"?
Bob, because the idea of race war has already gone viral on right wing sites, and McCain's just waiting to pick it up. Because there are already groups for Obama organizing and threatening violence in Denver if Obama's not the nominee. Because everywhere you go on the blogs, there are people threatening that blacks will stay away from the polls if Obama's not the nominee. You may think that the blogs are what every day people are thinking about these things, but it's just not so. But go on ahead and ignore it and screech at everyone who doesn't think Obama's the second coming that they're racist, and see how far he gets in the GE. It's going to set racial politics back a couple decades.
Coyote hops on the race issue every chance he gets.
Got proof of that, freak-show-forsyth? I've already provided proof that you sniff Hillary's panties with every comment; that is, when you're not waxing nostalgic over Monica's stained dress.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 08:19 AMI've heard that Texas Democrats may void the caucus results from Texas. They can't seem to get a result...stuck at 41% for a week...so any delegate count infered from the caucus will not happen. They may allot delegates by the primary only.
Posted by peter at March 12, 2008 08:26 AM"Fortunately racists are a dying breed."
Every time I hear that word thrown around in the political campaigns, I am reminded of how Harry Golden once taunted the white supremacists for holding tight to the "one drop of blood" theory of racial superiority. Perhaps, there is more of this type of thinking in the attics of both blacks and whites than we want to admit. Would it be used if it did not work?
Now, go your dictionary and look up the words "rout" and "lopsided".
Funny thing is Obama still doesn't have enough delegates to secure the nomination. The delegate count, which is what counts, is not "lopsided".
you are correct snark. But any way you wish to rationalize it, 15-2 is a lopsided string of victories. But if the tables were turned, and Clinton was where Obama is in both primary wins and delegates (i.e. an insurmountable delegate lead), would we be hearing calls for him to drop out before he destroys the party? I'm guessing yes, what's your guess?
Posted by T2 at March 12, 2008 08:50 AMThere are roughly 350 super delegates left. When Obama makes it to 1675, does anyone think they will jump in and give him the nomination?
Posted by Seven of Six at March 12, 2008 08:53 AMJacalope
fortunately the exit poll statistics prove racisum is dying in america check them out. American younger generations is comprised of many multi cultural members. In addition by the year 20 20 Hispanics will be the majority as the "white" race becomes the new minority. Some will be upset by these stats, I dare say they are the current "racists" some of whom are not aware they are. like Gery Ferraro. Not all racists are Republicans
"Freak Show" is a new adjetive for coyote, kudos to him for expanding his vocabulary, "panty sniffing" is particlarly odious.LOL
I am an Obama backer and think the Patterson op-ed was ridiculous and think that campaign should not be worried about the pictures...but I am shocked, shocked I tell you to see nothing about the Geraldine Ferraro comments
Posted by Mike P at March 12, 2008 09:09 AM...would we be hearing calls for him to drop out before he destroys the party? I'm guessing yes, what's your guess?
Probably about the same number we're hearing now directed at Clinton.
But not from me.
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 09:10 AMThere are roughly 350 super delegates left. When Obama makes it to 1675, does anyone think they will jump in and give him the nomination?
Don't know but I'd be fine with it.
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 09:11 AM...but I am shocked, shocked I tell you to see nothing about the Geraldine Ferraro comments...
So join the conversation Mike P. We've a pretty good one going on a couple of threads now.
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 09:14 AMThose states that Barack has won are monopoly money, most of them. The majority of his wins have occured in non-contested RED states.
Does anybody here truly believe that Obama will convince these GOP-entrenched states to turn Blue in the GE?
What states has Hillary won? Just the biggest. Just the ones most pivotal to a Dem victory. Just the contested ones that need to be fought for and have a chance of turning Blue in the GE. Nah, nothing important about that.
Barack is racking up a lot of points in the Primary. But in the GE those points will mean exactly dick.
Posted by blogtopus at March 12, 2008 09:19 AMHmm. Found this in a comment at Atrios' place, but I don't watch cable news, so I'm not sure how true it is:
What Glenn Beck said this morning about Obama being dangerous for this country because people will be afraid to *go there* (i.e., discuss racial issues) sent chills down my spine.
Looks like the right wingers are already going with the meme that people will be worried about whether something they say will be construed as racist. Think it'll gain some traction? I certainly do. And yes, it's sad, but it's going to be a consideration in the nomination and especially the GE.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 09:24 AMFWIW, the meme about Clinton going on Rush Limbaugh is FALSE. He was on Mark Davis's show on WBAP. Davis later hosted Rush's show and REPLAYED the interview.
So please, can we drop the Clinton on Limbaugh story?
Posted by Necsortenecfato at March 12, 2008 09:34 AMHey Coyote, any racism, so far, isn't coming from our side of the isle. Sure it could be a part of discussions in the GE, but, this is entirely in the Democratic relm. Any memes are on your side only.
Posted by peter at March 12, 2008 09:36 AMblogtopus, your argument doesn't hold water. States like New York, California, and Massachusetts will vote Democratic regardless. Polling also indicates that winning a primary is not necessarily related to winning in the general. Survey USA polling of Obama vs McCain and Clinton vs McCain show both winning Ohio by identical margins. Obama does better in the Plains, Rocky Mountains, and Northwest; Clinton does better in the deep South.
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at March 12, 2008 09:41 AMWhat I find hilarious is that Ferraro works on FAUX News as a commentator. She also said, Obama should not attack her comments about his race because he needs her to raise money for him if he wins the Democratic Party nomination.
Posted by Seven of Six at March 12, 2008 10:00 AMCoyote is "thunderstruck" by a remark from of all intelligent people Glenn Beck. "racism" is going to be a right wing talking point in the GE!!!
Let see emmmm looking around the senate I see hmmm well of all things a black senator the first one since reconstruction. Ya think the Republicans without one single black representative in the house are going to use it as a talking point??? Soon we can reclaim the south in emm 2020.
Oh yeah baby its dying and not soon enough for me, here come the younger generation Hoopla
pants pissing peter: "Hey Coyote, any racism, so far, isn't coming from our side of the isle...."
really? keeping your powder dry I guess
Posted by Gay Veteran at March 12, 2008 10:07 AMCoyote is "thunderstruck"
Really? Quotation marks indicate a quote, don't they? I never said the word, didn't even imply it. Once again, forsyth shows her lack of reading comprehension as well as her 2nd grade writing abilities. Must be distracted worrying about Monica's panties, I guess.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 10:20 AMSo where was your outrage and calling for heads to roll over this commentary from a while ago? I've never seen it from the bots on this board. Where's Obama's denouncement of this racist commentary from his campaign co-chair..Jackson's still in his position how come? Why is Jackson Jr. Still working for him after this clearly racist commentary and not just commentary but a threat added in there?
He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate. ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?
"I told him I'd think about it," Cleaver concluded. Jackson, an Obama supporter, confirmed the conversation, and said the dilemma may pose a career risk for some black politicians. "Many of these guys have offered their support to Mrs. Clinton, but Obama has won their districts. So you wake up without the carpet under your feet. You might find some young primary challenger placing you in a difficult position" in the future, he added.
Ummm but apparently the left blogosphere reaction to that commentary was mostly something like ...hmmm....that's interesting (Josh's talking points for obama memo) or to not even address it....and the MSM well nothing from them....because well Clinton rulz.
Absolutely NO doubt about it Ferraro was a dolt and the Clinton campaign denounced it today as they should. But that's never enough for Obamabots...never. But her commentary was right up there with Jackson Jr's above...yet never heard a peep.
It's the double standards and selective outrage that I can't take from the Obamabots that rule these threads these days.
Those who aren't mesmerized by Obama are NOT the enemy people. Quit treating us as such.
He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate. ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?
See, I don't think Jesse Jackson Jr. was being racist either. I think he was making a statement of fact. It sort of amazes me that so many people feel compelled to deny the fact that Obama's race plays a role in this election. Why?
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 10:38 AMI know how important the popular vote is to Hillary's argument to the superdelegates. BEFORE last nights blowout, Obama lead by approx. 800,000 popular votes:
Popular vote count
by kos
Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:32:28 AM PDT
The popular vote is an inexact measure of the state of the race because, quite simply, there was no tally of popular votes in caucus states.
So when you see the Obama leads the popular vote by 600,000, note that it precludes many caucus states -- Iowa, Washington, Nevada, Maine, and the Texas caucuses. Yes -- the Texas caucuses were a separate contest than the primary, hence should logically be counted.
But if we're suddenly going to use the popular vote as a meaningful measure in this campaign, then we should strive to actually count that popular vote best we can. So what I'll do for caucus states is divide the state delegate percentages (as opposed to pledged delegates) by the total turnout. It's an inexact science, but it should keep things within an acceptable margin of error.
So for all the other contests:
Obama: 13,025,003
Clinton: 12,421,316
That's a 603,687-vote advantage for Obama. Now for NV, WA and ME:
Turnout Obama % Clinton % Popular vote advantage
IA: 220,588 38 30 Obama +17,646
NV: 117,599 45 51 Clinton +7,055
WA: 250,000 68 32 Obama +90,000
ME: 45,000 59 40 Obama +8,550
That's about 56,500 109,141 votes, putting Obama's lead at around 713,000 votes.
That still leaves the Texas caucuses, which haven't finished reporting out. Turnout for the first 40 percent of precincts reporting is about 500,000. Now that includes some of the more populous precincts, so we can't just project out. Rather, the estimate I hear bandied around is about 1 million participants. So let's say the numbers ended up were stuck today -- 56-44 Obama -- that would mean a gain for Obama of 120,000 in the popular vote.
Suddenly, Obama's lead is about 780,000 833,000.
Unless Obama suffers an epic collapse, he should end this contest with a lead in the popular vote, a lead in the pledged delegates, and a lead in the number of states won.
Clinton will apparently attempt her coup by super delegates, but that path lies civil war. I doubt the supers are that stupid.
Update: I had the Washington percentages wrong. Updated.
Update II: From wry twinger in the comments:
Kos, you forget to factor in Hillary math!
Total votes-1/3(Caucus votes)/Boutique states X number of latte drinkers+superduperdelegates X pii + trips to Bosnia=Hillary ahead
I stand corrected.
It sort of amazes me that so many people feel compelled to deny the fact that Obama's race plays a role in this election. Why?
It seems for some reason snark that Hillarybots think of it as an advantage, while her gender is somehow a disadavantage.
I guess as long as people keep referring me (Obama supporter) to Obamabot or Obamatron, I'll start doing the same to Hillary fans. I've tried to ignore it and didn't want to stoop so low, but since emal used it and Turkana did yesterday. I might as well do the same.
See, I don't think Jesse Jackson Jr. was being racist either.
No, just a bully.
It seems for some reason snark that Hillarybots think of it as an advantage, while her gender is somehow a disadavantage.
Besides Ferraro, who has been saying that it's an advantage?
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 11:01 AMIt seems for some reason snark that Hillarybots think of it as an advantage, while her gender is somehow a disadavantage.
I don't really see that much of a distinction between how the race/sex issue is comprehended on either side. Some see benefits to each. Some see disadvantages to each.
I guess as long as people keep referring me (Obama supporter) to Obamabot or Obamatron, I'll start doing the same to Hillary fans. I've tried to ignore it and didn't want to stoop so low, but since emal used it and Turkana did yesterday. I might as well do the same.
That's your choice to make. Personally, I find it doesn't do much to enhance one's argument.
No, just a bully.
This is politics isn't it?
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 11:04 AMThis is politics isn't it?
Exactly, and Obama is no more above the fray than Clinton.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 11:12 AMSome see benefits to each. Some see disadvantages to each.
Last summer, I thought race would be more detrimental.
I must confess, after it came down to two candidates, Hillary has been bashed around pretty bad. It is appalling to see.
Neither race or gender is any reason for my support. It never entered into my decision making.
Posted by Seven of Six at March 12, 2008 11:20 AMBesides Ferraro, who has been saying that it's an advantage?
Well, since Jesse Jackson Jr. seems to be using it as a bludgeon I'd say HE thinks it's an advantage.
Posted by snark at March 12, 2008 11:20 AMyet, i still don't see how ferraro keeps her position on the clinton campaign and obama's staffer was fired. a "monster," vs. a step-n-fetchit comment. and you defend the latter. sorry, but the clinton folks played the race card long before, employed shifting goal posts, and downplayed all the victories of obama. however, as the commentor stated above, if the roles were reversed you here would scream that he should drop out. are you to tell me, ca, ma, ny, will vote repub this fall? doubtful. the deep south, trust me, they'd no soon vote for a female than a black man. i'm originally from la, i know this, the state spawned david duke.
Posted by anthony at March 12, 2008 11:26 AMToday was the first time in a while I resorted back to using the Obamabots name....well because the main culprits on these threads lately these days fit into that mode imo. They have no sense of "fairness" when applying outrage and standards whatsoever. ...Always giving their candidate the benefit of the doubt and always, always presenting Senator Clinton's motives in the most negative and sinister of fashions. Do they even see it...I've got to wonder? Because they aren't doing their candidate or this country any good by acting this way and they are no better than Bushbots....Anyway, I've had enough of it..that compilation by Eric Boehlert was sadly and tragically the best example ever of the Clinton Rulz. How. pathetic. and. sad.
I find it amazing with all the odds against her....the MSNBC, CNN most of the prog. blogs etc. she continues on. I truly hope the party splits into a 3rd party. I don't want the party as it looks now with the Obama people.
Posted by Kefa at March 12, 2008 12:38 PM"Do they even see it...I've got to wonder?"
I've often thought that of all of the Democrats.
Posted by peter at March 12, 2008 12:39 PMthe fuss is this, ferraro's comments are taken as "you should know your place, boy," you are in the spotlight because you are black...
what pisses me off is that some hilary supporters are so incensed that every thing is excused. this is inexcusable. you won't see it cuz you choose not to. how is it his staffer is fired for a monster comment, bill's equating his sc victory similar to that of jesse jackson, and it is explained away, yet he has to denounce and reject both his pastor of 20 yrs, and louis f.
so, we have fired, denounced and rejected, but she gets away with "disagree with."
double standard anyone???
Posted by anthony at March 12, 2008 01:15 PMI'm probably almost alone in finding Ferraro's remarks refreshing.
Today marks the day that I definitely decided I will never cast a vote for Obama in the GE. This crap about trying to block revotes in MI and FL is beyond the pale. What an unbelievable jerk. How can anyone vote for him now? He cares more about himself and power than about american voters or democracy. Talk about "say anything, do anything to win".
Posted by at March 12, 2008 02:08 PMThe use of quotation marks is not limited to a direct quote. Quotation marks have many other usages in lauguage. One of which is irony.You know like in ironic!!!!not to be confused with moronic.
There are many differences in the voters who vote for Hillary vs. those who vote for Obama. This particular blog, is showing off the distnict difference between the Obama voters and those who prefer HRC. LOL Obama has put together a new and different coalition, racists are not in it and emmm others.
Posted by RMDORSYTH at March 12, 2008 02:11 PMI'm a Clinton supporter, but Taylor Marsh is just an embarrassment.
Posted by chris at March 12, 2008 02:14 PMMy last post was directed at I am a coyote, please excuse any reference to other bloggers
Posted by rita forasyth at March 12, 2008 02:16 PMI know most people believe that Hillary Clinton and her campaign are trying to tell the world that Barack Obama is a black man (obviously looking at him he looks white until someone mentions it) and some people have said some stupid things, but I honestly wish that in this overly PC world of people trying to prove just how "not racist" they are, they would stop overlooking the race-baiting going on by Obama and his campaign. I wish they would stop looking for racism (e.g., the MLK-LBJ comments,60 minutes interview, 3 am ad) when its not there and twisting or parsing words to pretend that it is.
I noticed it first in December and it's reached an all time high. Now not only are his surrogates doing it, but Barack Obama himself feels free to do it regularly every time he says "bamboozled" to a largely black audience, and lately him directly blaming Hillary Clinton for the photo after taking her at her word. If he had proof her campaign did it and she didn't repudiate it, then by all means criticize her, but if not, then he's simply race-baiting black people and sympathetic white voters. If Barack Obama truly believes Hillary Clinton is a racist, I want him to stop the insinuations and say it publicly.
Posted by kacey at March 12, 2008 02:39 PMQuotation marks have many other usages in lauguage. One of which is irony.
Uh, so where were you being ironic? By pretending I was "thunderstruck?" That's called "making shit up," not irony. What's ironic is someone who has limited comprehension skills, and absolutely zero writing skills trying to teach someone else proper punctuation.
not to be confused with moronic.
Oh, I'm not at all confused about you being a moron, honey. One read of your barely legible screeds is all anyone needs...
I'm a Clinton supporter, but Taylor Marsh is just an embarrassment.
Gotta say I'd never heard of her until dKos denizens had her drawn and quartered in an Obama "unity" thread. Never read a thing since then, either. Don't have the time or inclination to look.
Posted by iamcoyote at March 12, 2008 02:52 PMeriposte is a dip shit. The reason I stopped coming by except to occasionally read the garbage on the site. Much like I do at rightwingnews.
Posted by nonverbalcoma at March 12, 2008 04:50 PM