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Steve Soto should just apologize to Clinton rather than try to justify his cheap shots at her over the passport breach issue.

Posted by alvord at March 23, 2008 01:59 AM

if the democratic party gives the nomination to the person who lost california..pennsylvania..ohio..michigan..new york..new jersy....texas ..florida..it will not faze me in the least to abandon the party and vote for ralph nader....whom 8 yrs ago i despised..but when i watched him announce on russert that he was running he said a number of things that made a lot of sense to me...one was that if the democratic party cannot nomimate a winner after these past 8 years..something is terribly wrong and they are dysfunctional..i think he he right...and if hillary wins pennsylvania... a melting pot....by 15%...and they go ahead with obama..something is very very wrong

Posted by dennis at March 23, 2008 02:58 AM

and i can tell you that i am in an age group where i am neither a child or a dreamy eyed idealist...and an awful lot of my friends feel the same way

Posted by dennis at March 23, 2008 03:38 AM

and if you think democrats will win florida and michigan after not seating them..well..maybe you better think again...

Posted by dennis at March 23, 2008 03:43 AM

Alvord,

Yeah, Steve should apologize to Hillary...right after Turkana and eRiposte resign from her advisory committee.

Posted by at March 23, 2008 04:48 AM

I predict the MI and FL delegations WILL be seated at the convention, although it will be at half-strength, per the Republican's penalty for the same states. Florida's delegates will be pledged based on the election results and the Michigan delegation will be split possibly along the vote for Hillary, with Obama garnering the rest. That's my prediction.

By the way, who cares if scientists believe in ID or not or even make movies about it, so long as they: a) don't use Bible as evidence of it; b) teach the biology without mentioning some creator as the biology apparently doesn't need the presence of a creator to explain it; c) make sure to mention there's no evidence of a creator currently amongst the biology; and d) otherwise just teach evolution? What I mean is, if researchers can find a grant for it and want to look for the ghost in the machines, why is that wrong if they use scientific methods to do so? And if the religious right wants to make absurd little movies, who cares about that, too? ID's no worse than half the poppycock taught as science.

Posted by Brian Bell at March 23, 2008 05:03 AM

Since this is open....I would like to ask a question....maybe I missed this one but...I was not aware that Obama is not Black. He is Arab-American. Now this doesn't matter to me, my question is why has he been running as an AA?
http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html
I have contacted the Wash Post also (Mr.Cohen) about this article and am awaiting a response on this and did a little checking and it seems he is not black. It seems the vetting process again is very lacking. I wonder how the black base of this country would respond to this news and it seems kinda strange a person running for office would do this. I am of mixed blood and it irked me a bit.
You are what you are. If the facts are what I find them to be he is not black.

Posted by Kefa at March 23, 2008 05:38 AM

my post above is about honesty....not about race.
let's not flip the script.

Posted by kefa at March 23, 2008 05:41 AM

Why don't we run Turkana for Prez on '08?

Posted by Indifferent Skies at March 23, 2008 05:47 AM

"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
--Hillary Clinton, speech at George Washington University, March 17, 2008.

To put it bluntly, that is a lie. Other progressive blogs have picked up on this story, Open Left, Kos, Think Progress, etc. This one has choose to ignore it, not even a defense of Hillary has been put forward. Why?

Posted by Upton at March 23, 2008 07:25 AM

Kefa, you're ignorant.

Obama is quite honest about his heritage.

Maybe if you knew something about Africa and its history you'd have a clue.

To those who give a damn, Obama is indeed an African-American. There is no doubt Obama is "part" "black." Even going into this shit is offensive to me as an American, but since another Hillary supporter, Kefa, is showing their true colors of hatred and division, it's going to be answered by me. His father, whose family at one time or another were no doubt colonial subjects of long-gone Arab governance, was culturally a Muslim which in turn makes you "Arab" in a sense, kind of how Mexicans are Spanish, although of course 9/10ths of them have genetic roots in European and native American peoples.

By the way, Kefa, Obama's mom is white. [sarcasm]Oh, no! The horror! Why is Obama hiding his honkey history![/sarcasm]

Could it be because our society deems Obama a "black" man, and so he has to address that first and foremost to ignorants like you, Kefa?

[sarcasm]Yeah, your post was all about "honesty," Kefa[/sarcasm]. "Honesty" my ass, you hate-monger, Kefa.

Posted by Brian Bell at March 23, 2008 07:57 AM

Gee Kefa, could it be that the religion of Obama's father had nothing to do with his father's genetic make up.
Or in other words, "Didn't you know that there were black muslim's in Africa?"

Posted by Seven of Six at March 23, 2008 08:11 AM

Dennis, Obama will win the popular vote and get the nomination. It is mathematically impossible for Hillary to win at this point. If the delegates switch to Hillary at the convention or if the super delegates cast their votes against the majority of the voters, then we are stealing the election from Obama. At that point we would be no better than the Republicans in 2000.

Whoever the voters pick will be our candidate. If it is otherwise, then I will just give up on politics altogether as it will prove to me that the votes don't count anyways.

Posted by Steve at March 23, 2008 08:44 AM

revote in michigan..and florida..and pennylvania could indeed give hillary the popular vote..it is why obama is opposed to it..and super delagates..have a job to do..pick the person they feel is in the best interest of the party..and at this point..obama looks pretty beatable...campaigns are snapshot picture...hillary crushes him in pennsylvania..eyebrows will be raised...adults will have to make decisions

Posted by dennis at March 23, 2008 08:56 AM

dennis, read some analysis. Or read something. Clinton won't get the popular vote. There won't be a revote in Michigan and Florida (in large part because the Clinton campaign encouraged the state Dems in both states to demand the faux primaries count until it was too late). It's over. Obama wins the delegates, the popular vote, the numbers of states.

Posted by Bob In Pacifica at March 23, 2008 06:22 PM

"ID's no worse than half the poppycock taught as science."

Brian Bell has officially jumped the shark.

Posted by at March 25, 2008 10:44 AM