Shock and awe. Everything's on tape. Obama's going to have to talk his way out of their visuals. Good luck with that.
Posted by cygnus at March 28, 2008 06:01 PM"So what does it say that McKinnon won't participate in a campaign against Barack Obama? It says McKinnon knows what will come. That's what he's really telling us. He won't be a part of it, but the ratfucking will happen."
Oh brother. I think it means exactly what McKinnon said it means: That he has a personal relationship with Obama (that he didn't have with Gore or Kerry) that could compromise his ability to put forth his best effort for McCain.
Your version is supported by . . . what? Sometimes Turkana, a cigar really is just a cigar.
Posted by at March 28, 2008 06:22 PMStrange that you should mention ratfucking. Here's my post today at Correntewire:
link: http://www.correntewire.com/ratfucking_a_gop_tradition
Today was Part I
Posted by myiq2xu at March 28, 2008 06:27 PMfrom my perspective,
this is good reporting.
i had never heard of this guy until now;i'm better educated and forewarned.
thanks.
one thing i think the super-delegates have been praying for, in vain,
and are now beginning to demand, e.g., sens casey and leahy comments today, since prayer is not working
is that senator clinton step aside.
they are making this demand, not because they give a damn about the party,
these old horn-backs only care about their careers and their retention of power,
but in order that they and other s-d's not have to make a public decision that might end up reflecting very badly on them and damaging their careers -
i.e., supporting obama against Clinton as the nominee,
only to find that obama is ground to mincemeat by the republican scandal machine (and a complicit press) in the general election.
and that,
as a consequence of their (the s-d's) bad judgment, john mccain is the new prez.
watching politicians like casey and leahy try to wriggle out of making a decision,
is like watching a worm in hot ashes.
Posted by orionATL at March 28, 2008 06:45 PMRatfucking: le mot juste.
Thanks, Turkana. As usual, you called it!
Posted by Radiowalla at March 28, 2008 07:26 PMI personally could have done without the reference to ratf--king as a reference to 'dirty tricks' a la Watergate. The image is too graphic; doesn't sound gratifying to either party (?de-rodentizing')
I like the alternate definition from the military: 'cherry-picking' goodies from MREs.
Oh, never mind...
Posted by tfitznc at March 28, 2008 07:26 PMIt will be one of those moments in political history that no one can forget. You know, like Lincoln and the Gettysburg address. Everyone will be ready for some stentorian address that last an hour and a half. The reporters will ready their notebooks for an event that lasts a lifetime...then the sparse words will flow and McCain will be left looking like a Ginsu filleted trout.
That's how it will happen. That's what McKinnon knows.
Posted by phidipides at March 28, 2008 07:28 PMI'm with anon up there, this is one of those cigars being just a cigar stories.
Posted by peter at March 28, 2008 09:27 PMOf course it will get down and dirty. But I'm not worried about either of our potential nominees. Hillary has icewater in her veins, and Obama spent years organizing on the mean streets of Chicago's south side. Neither of them is going to shrink in the face of whatever crap the Republicans throw at them. And the Democratic base is vastly expanded, and fired up. McCain is going to wish he was back in that hole in Vietnam.
Posted by elrod at March 28, 2008 09:38 PMMcCain is another clueless candidate for our times, selling the snake oil of victory, and wearing out the tired chauvinism of Americans who live in the make believe world of FOX NEWS exceptionalism. He can't deliver the goods in November. So phidipides has it right, McCain will drone on and illuminate nothing; McKinnon, unsurprisingly, won't be standing on the deck of McCain's sinking ship.
Posted by Copeland at March 28, 2008 09:49 PMIs there somebody who actually believes that the 'Democrats for a day' who voted for Obama in the caucus states will still vote for him and not McCain in the GE?
Posted by jwrjr at March 28, 2008 10:27 PMHe's setting up an alibi he (and the McCain campaign) can use after his surrogates commit the crime.
I think he's being too cute by half though because its obvious that thats what he's doing.
Posted by Jonesy at March 28, 2008 11:24 PMThe Rude Pundit had an excellent post Friday about Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" (with an extensive quote by Limbaugh) describing how Limbaugh has been calling on his diehard Republican listeners to vote in Democratic Party primaries in open primary states...with the intent of getting some Repubicans selected as "Democratic" delegates, possible even acting in this stealth capacity as Republican moles at the Democratic National Convention, in hopes of disrupting the Democratic Party's chances, no matter who the nominee is, of winning the White House.
Ratfucking doesn't even begin to describe what these un-American, un-patriotic Fascist Republicans are doing to our democracy. Of course, they are all going to burn in hell, but that is small consolation for all the rest of us who will have to deal with all the evil they've done to our nation. These type of Republicans are nothing more than fucking rabid rats spreading their virulent conservative ideology, and criminal practices, like the plague throughout our society.
Posted by The Oracle at March 29, 2008 02:54 AM"You know, like Lincoln and the Gettysburg address. Everyone will be ready for some stentorian address that last an hour and a half."
The Gettysburg Address was 272 words: it took Licoln 90 minutes to recite 272 words?
Wow! Who knew!
Posted by Bagley at March 29, 2008 05:27 AMSo Operation Chaos is just another set-up to fuck over Dems. Somehow it reminds me of all the bogus negative publicity about some funerals: Paul Wellstone's and Coretta Scott Kings. Those 'pukes have no shame.
Posted by Sharon at March 29, 2008 07:28 AMIt is more likely that monkeys will fly out of Bagley's butt, than for McCain to compose a speech like Lincoln's.
Posted by Copeland at March 29, 2008 09:58 AMbagless bagley: "The Gettysburg Address was 272 words: it took Licoln 90 minutes to recite 272 words?
Wow! Who knew!"
what a fucking idiot! Lincoln was not the only speaker at Gettsburg. Ever hear of Edward Everett?
Posted by gay veteran at March 29, 2008 10:44 AM
Just get up Gay Ray? How is the job hunt going?