"...The Untold Story of How the GOP Rigged Florida and Michigan"
There have been many here who have argued this thesis for a long time.
Posted by Seven of Six at April 1, 2008 07:53 AMI laughed my ass off when my stupid winger relatives complained that when the voted for Hillary as suggested by the oxcy-king here in Texas, they weren't able to vote for the down ticket Republicans.
Dumb-ass sheep need to retake a civics class.
Or better yet, just stay the hell out of the political process
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 1, 2008 08:15 AMAnd Chrm. Dean enabled them by sanctioning both states by not counting any of those Democrats who came out to cast ballots. "That'll show them." Maybe we can fix the Texas primary/caucus or any other by moving the date to get Chrm Dean not to count those votes cast too. The GOP can highjack Democrats primaries anytime...anywhere...anyhow.
Posted by peter at April 1, 2008 08:18 AMHillary had the opportunity to simultaneously highlight the plight of women in Saipan and stick it to Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, and rest of the GOP in one fell swoop. Instead she took the dirty money of the Tan family and turned a blind eye to the problem. These things matter.
The point of this comment is not, as some will no doubt suggest, to paint Hillary as a puppy-eater on par with DeLay. It is simply to point out that Hillary needs to take responsibility for her actions. The reason that Hillary is not embraced as a progressive icon like Wellstone or Feingold (or Dodd on FISA issues) is that she shoots herself in the foot by surrounding herself with or meeting with or refusing to stick the knife into progressive enemies.
Trust me. People wouldn't care if Hillary did "anything to win" if "anything" included attacking Republicans.
Posted by space at April 1, 2008 08:20 AMAnd Chrm. Dean enabled them by sanctioning both states by not counting any of those Democrats who came out to cast ballots.
Poor peter admits that republi-con's continue to fuck with the election process for millions of Americans!
Karma MF!!
Posted by Seven of Six at April 1, 2008 08:29 AMNo Seven...if you follow your thought process...the GOP runs your party and Chrm. Dean is just a seat holder. Where's the leadership of the Democratic Party...allowing the GOP tell them what to do, how to do it; when to do it. There's just no need for the Democratic Party now. Geesh Seven, you people just don't get it. Party politics...each party runs themselves.
Hell, Barry Obama just restated SecDef Gates numbers to expand our military from last year. That's real 'change' now for you. Nothing new from your candidates...no 'change' there...same old politics...same old change.
Posted by peter at April 1, 2008 09:16 AMPP Peter,
It took me a while to confirm that you are just a repug troll. Having followed your inane "logic" over the past several weeks, I had pretty much concluded that you were intellectually challenged (i.e., not educable, maybe trainable).
Take your smelly bait elsewhere.
Posted by tfitznc at April 1, 2008 09:44 AM...allowing the GOP tell them what to do, how to do it; when to do it.
...the Republican... They know their brand is screwed. They're hoping the voters won't notice. They're hoping we won't notice...They bought it, they broke it, they own it.
Republican.
...unless and until they change the name of their party, they can't take the Republican out of the party. That's what they are. That's what they all are.
All the lies, betrayals, treason, secrecy, mayhem, and bloodshed they have perpetrated is Republican.
It's ALL Republican.
The falling dollar, bleak economic picture, and high prices at the pumps and produce counter?
Republican.
The malfeasance and bribery and contempt for our press, our government, and our freedoms?
Republican.
The ruthless destruction of our homes, our children, and our lives?
Republican.
Make that word the horror it is. Create in the electorate the same revulsion the word has come to mean for us, who understand it, who realize what's going on, who know how important it is that we break the linkage between what people think they are getting, and what they actually get when they vote:
Republican.
Every complaint on the street or at the checkout counter, every political discussion, every cry of disillusionment and despair, must be countered with their Brand.
Republican. That's the problem...
Republican.
It's not just Bush, or imperialism, or deregulation, or Katrina or Iraq. It's all of it; every looted dollar and dead soldier.
They bought it, they broke it, and they own it.
Republican.
Let no one forget.
I won't "forget", my son won't "forget"... your "brand" of politics will not win this year, get used to it!
Posted by Seven of Six at April 1, 2008 09:52 AMeRipostal,
Start getting supplies for your bunker.
It's not just the "progressive bloggers" (I though you were one) who are abandoning her; it's also Rendell's folks in PA. Her 'insurmountable' lead of >20 pts. in early March is now 5-12 pts. (Rassmussen, SUSA, resp.) and we are three weeks out from the primary.
Get plenty of 'crying towels'.
Posted by tfitznc at April 1, 2008 10:01 AMI’d feel so much better about Obama if supporting him didn’t seem to require losing one’s capacity for critical thinking.
That's quoted from the Davidson article at Corrente linked here.
I'm an Obama supporter, but someone who would gladly vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the nominee. And I'd feel so much better about pro-Clinton commentary in the blogosphere (including here at TLC) if it didn't commonly contain snarky remarks implying that supporting Obama entails losing one's capacity for critical thinking.
I respect that Clinton supporters have plenty of reasons for supporting her aside from her surname. Now can you accept that Obama supporters might have plenty of reasons for supporting him other than "drinking the Kool-Aid"?
We can politely agree to disagree, even in a high-stakes business such as choosing a presidential candidate.
Posted by joeldanwalls at April 1, 2008 10:21 AMvia John Cole:
...The candidates agreed the [MI and FL] delegates would not count. Now, however, Clinton needs them to win, so everything is out the window...
And they wonder why people like me think they are insane? If Hillary can not keep her word on something like this, I don’t trust her to keep her word on anything...
It is that simple. If the DNC and the states can figure something out that is acceptable to them, I am fine with it. But they can’t, or won’t, so Michigan and Florida are dead. Seating them as is when the ballot in Michigan was Hillary vs. Uncommitted is unacceptable. Which is worse for democracy, abiding by the agreement made before the primary, or holding a Saddamesque election in which Clinton ran unopposed?
So stop whining about them. They fucked up. Not Obama. The villain in this scenario is not the people who followed the rules and are abiding by the rules. The villains are the sleazy folks who are going back on their word now that they need the delegates from those states. That would be Hillary, since I don’t trust her supporters to reason through this shit anymore on their own.
Posted by Gay Veteran at April 1, 2008 10:33 AMArmand / Big Tent Democrat? LMAO! Oh-kay, Eriposte.
Posted by Brian Bell at April 1, 2008 11:03 AMArmando / Big Tent Democrat? LMAO! Oh-kay, Eriposte.
Posted by Brian Bell at April 1, 2008 11:03 AM"Saddamesque"?
Now I've heard it all.
Posted by snark at April 1, 2008 11:09 AMYeah, John Cole, the great progressive. He's right up there with Andrew Sullivan. Another great progressive. /snark
Posted by DoubtingThomas at April 1, 2008 11:17 AMNow I've heard it all.
Well, that's just too bad, 'cos the kidz have been staying up late to think up a whole buncha new ways to say "Hillary is teh evil" so you're gonna see a lot more along the way. But all is not lost, the transition to "honorary Villager" should be complete by Nov, when we are all assimilated!
Posted by iamcoyote at April 1, 2008 11:44 AMJohn Cole is a former ReThug who saw the light and became a Democrat. Gee, just the kind of people we need to win elections.
Posted by Gay Veteran at April 1, 2008 12:23 PMWASHINGTON - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the superdelegates who may ultimately decide the Democratic party’s presidential nominee have a right to vote as they wish, and that the drawn-out contest between candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama should be allowed to reach its conclusion.
“These superdelegates have the right to vote their conscience and who they think would be the better president, or who can win, but they also then should get involved in the campaigns and make their power known there,” Pelosi said in an interview aired Tuesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
Another cave. Seven, get real, Democrats cave so much the people can't even recognize them anymore.
Rasmussen Tracking 03/28 - 03/31 41% 48% 11% McCain +7.0% over Clinton.
Rasmussen Tracking 03/28 - 03/31 41% 47% 12% McCain +6.0% over Obama.
There's so very little difference right now and these polls are with a -28 spread with Bush job approvals!
Michigan: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 43, Obama 42, Und 15 McCain +1
Michigan: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 45, Clinton 42, Und 13 McCain +3
Alabama: McCain vs. Clinton Press Register McCain 52, Clinton 30, Und 13 McCain +22
Alabama: McCain vs. Obama Press Register McCain 57, Obama 30, Und 11 McCain +27
New Jersey: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 45, Clinton 42, Und 13 McCain +3
New Jersey: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 46, Obama 45, Und 9 McCain +1
Virginia: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 58, Clinton 36, Und 6 McCain +22
Virginia: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 52, Obama 41, Und 7 McCain +11
Wisconsin: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 50, Clinton 39, Und 11 McCain +11
Wisconsin: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 48, Obama 46, Und 6 McCain +2
Missouri: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 53, Obama 38, Und 9 McCain +15
Missouri: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 50, Clinton 41, Und 9 McCain +9
North Carolina: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 50, Clinton 34, Und 16 McCain +16
North Carolina: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 42, Und 7 McCain +9
Minnesota: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 47, Clinton 46, Und 7 McCain +1
Minnesota: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 43, Obama 47, Und 10 Obama +4
My 'brand' seems to be doing quite well. Yours is losing steam each day the never ending primary goes on. Wasn't the idea of frontloading primaries to get your candidate earlier....great job Democrats. Pat yourself on the backs for your accomplishments this season.
Posted by peter at April 1, 2008 12:29 PMpoor pants pissing peter, the smell of farts in the bunker must be overwhelming
where's the report on the bike races in Falujah?
Posted by gay veteran at April 1, 2008 06:06 PMYouTube description: “Florida Senate Democrat Leader Steve Geller presents a sarcastic amendment during the 2007 Legislative Session in an effort to “prove” to the Democrat National Committee that Florida Democrats are faithfully trying to abide by the national party’s rules.”
Posted by peter at April 1, 2008 09:08 PM
Joeldanwalls,
You said: "And I'd feel so much better about pro-Clinton commentary in the blogosphere (including here at TLC) if it didn't commonly contain snarky remarks implying that supporting Obama entails losing one's capacity for critical thinking."
Look, I wasn't the one who said it and I can't possibly control what everyone else says. If I stop linking to people just because I disagree with something in a post I link to, then I probably can't link to anyone. I don't always agree with every sentence in every post I link to.
There are very good reasons why someone may support Sen. Obama. I've said that multiple times by now.
Posted by eriposte at April 1, 2008 09:12 PM