Be well paradox. Glad to here such optimistic words.
Posted by snark at April 18, 2008 06:02 PMHang in there, paradox. I,too, admire your words and look forward to your posts.
Posted by Copeland at April 18, 2008 06:46 PMGlad you're doing well.
Posted by eRobin at April 18, 2008 08:24 PMMy best wishes, too, paradox. And thank-you for letting us know that you are going to be okay. Reading you and the others here, helps me to get through the day, so feel good about that at least.
Posted by Leah at April 18, 2008 09:51 PMLook, buddy. Black beans for breakfast, broccoli for lunch, and chili for dinner can cause problems. You might need a good beer flush. I recommend your favorite Pilsner in massive quantities.
Hey, it's all good! We've got a huge political dialog going on. Sure, democrats are going back and forth with each other over their respective pick...and I wish I could figure out a way to make a buck over it...like being the only machete sharpener in Rwanda, or something. The best thing is the media are getting their asses handed to them for their jack-foolery.
Get well quickly, p. When in doubt tell your significant other that only massive amounts of sex can cure you. It helps if you use the "beagle needing a treat" eyes. Doesn't help for me, but maybe for you. Eh?
Posted by phidipides at April 18, 2008 10:26 PMI've read many words about the ABC debate atrocity and the wider awfulness it represents, but as usual you nail it with the fewest and most heartfelt words.
Best wishes for your health. Stay strong. We need you!
Posted by Sharkbabe at April 18, 2008 10:28 PMMy cause is the electability comment. We have elections to make that determination, we don't need some out of touch, blowdried elitist to do that for the American People.
They need to pay a price for their arrogance. A real price.
Good luck on your improving health, p, been there, ain't much fun.
Posted by Duckman GR at April 18, 2008 10:42 PMSure, democrats are going back and forth with each other over their respective pick...and I wish I could figure out a way to make a buck over it...like being the only machete sharpener in Rwanda, or something.
Best. Sentence. Evah!
Posted by Seven of Six at April 18, 2008 10:47 PMThey will not succeed. I’ll see y’all tomorrow.
Finally somebody who doesn't want to punt on first down!
Paradox for blog president!
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 18, 2008 11:55 PMJust remember, MD does not stand for "medical deity". Good luck.
Well, Bill Maher apologized for saying that the Pope was a Nazi on his show last week.
He said tonight that the Pope was merely in the Hitler Youth, and swore allegiance to Hitler, which was worse.
He also stood by his statement that if the Pope was a CEO of a day care facility, and that much abuse took place, he would be in jail.
Nice "apology", Bill!
Posted by TIKI AL at April 19, 2008 12:32 AMSince this an open thread I would like to throw out a bone for snark who said this..
it's the delusion that his campaign is somehow more virtuous than the Clinton campaign, or not "politics as usual" that gets me.
Something to chew on, no other reason than I am interested in his take.
Zifnab said in a thread at Balloon Juice..
Obama, on the flip side, has kept the racism rhetoric has close to the chest as he’s been able. In the middle of Rush-style “Magic Negro” songs and tasteless jokes and “accidental” mispronunciations of his name, I’ve never once heard Obama actually call someone a racist. His campaign has been pretty good at letting the racist comments stand on their own merit without having to flag them for the inattentive. Couple this with the fact that the GOP and various Obama haters have been getting rather loud and explicit in their vulgarity, and its easy to see who is seriously anti-skin-tone and who is just interested in talking politics.
Hillary played out her hand too soon. Obama can use his race as an asset well into 2012 if he doesn’t feel the need to use it as a trump card.
He said what I was thinking but could not put to words as eloquently, poor word-smith that I am.
This seems pretty spot on.
And no iampuppy, asking snarks opinion isn't kissing his ass. I know being interested on someones take on something is hard for you to grok. I just thought I would save some times and respond to your predictable insults in advance.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 01:00 AMParadox, I always look forward to reading your words, as they always touch me or give me 'food for thought.' I am also glad that a ame can finally be given for what ails you and the remedy is "relatively easy." That alone has got to give you peace of mind.
As usual, your words speak for me. I have lost faith, confidence, hope and general interest in our political system. I worry about our future, and the level of frustration for me has metamorphosed into a withdrawal from politics. We are bogged down in bulls*it, and in-the-meantime, I see no way to change the direction because my voice and millions of other voices have been denied a hearing. My only solace is that my friends share in this political burn out.
Posted by Judith at April 19, 2008 03:44 AM
"He also stood by his statement that if the Pope was a CEO of a day care facility, and that much abuse took place, he would be in jail."
TIKI AL, Bill is right. I have often wondered why the law did not apply to the Catholic Church. Surely if I knew of child abuse and covered it up or transferred the abuser to another daycare center, I would be arrested for harboring and enabling a child molester.
Posted by Judith at April 19, 2008 03:51 AMSnarkyShark,
I wish you'd provide a link. I hate trying to respond to that without knowing the full context of the comment.
I was not thinking explicitly of 'the racism rhetoric' but there have been obvious examples of them using it. Jesse Jackson Jr. and the Ferraro nonsense. But I do not disagree that he, Obama, has kept it "close to his chest". But his broarder campaign in general has not. WHich is why I thought the outrage over Ferraro's comments was such a 'politics as usual' moment. I think if he ran around charging racism all the time he'd be losing to Clinton so it's been a good political strategy. Racism issues aside, he's succeeded in villifying not only Hillary, but Bill Clinton, amongst a large segment of the Democratic base. Which is why I said bravo to him. He's run an excellent campaign. But it's a political campaign. One need only look at all the bodies piling up along the way to have that fact be clear as day. Bill Clinton, the only Democratic president in the past 30 years, is persona nongrata amongst Obama's hardcore base. The Obama campaign achieved what Karl Rove could not. Again, Bravo.
I hope he's as successful against McCain.
Posted by snark at April 19, 2008 04:20 AM"it's the delusion that his campaign is somehow more virtuous than the Clinton campaign, or not "politics as usual" that gets me."
That is exactly as I see it also. How many millions of people also believe this delusion. For god's sake people, Obama comes out of the Chicago political machine. Get a clue.
where there is no hope ..there is despair..somewhere between who we are and who we want to be..is the life that you lead..don't ever give up..winston churchill..i believe was the greatest man of the twentieth century..he faced much more than us..hatred and tyrany beyond our comprehension.....and he carried england on his back..along with the rest of the world for a while..we will never surrender...it's a great philosophy to live by...this political process is what we have right now..but the truth of things is there for one to see..if they want to look hard enough..so don't blame the media or abc..or any of them..you still have a vote..one person one vote..and one of the candidates wants to disenfranchise michigan and florida...anyone know which one?..with the excuse we're just playing by the rules..all the votes in this primary season have not been counted...just like 2000..
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 04:54 AMhere is what i want..all the votes counted..whoever has the most wins..is that a novel idea?
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 05:03 AMLet me rephase that. Obama knows how to play with the Chicago political machine, and the name Daly is not an unfriendly name to Obama. Political outsider, not.
Posted by Judith at April 19, 2008 05:08 AM. Racism issues aside, he's succeeded in villifying not only Hillary, but Bill Clinton, amongst a large segment of the Democratic base.
I see it more as they did it to themselves. Nobody made Bill says the Jesse Jackson thing. Nobody made Hillary say what she said about Dean earlier or Moveon.org more recently. I think you are assigning blame to Obama that he doesn't deserve or merit.
I have seen some Hillary supporters claim Obama has not been vetted, but that sentiment falls short if one considers Hillary a better opponent than McKranky. I do. He's taken on the machine that Hillary had at her disposal and some pretty vicious overt racism on the GOPs part, and is still standing.
Which answers this question-
I hope he's as successful against McCain.Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 06:38 AM
snark
That thread is pretty brutal. If you read it, turn off your offend-o-meter. Most of the posts are cold blooded but well thought out and straight to the point.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 06:48 AMMarginalizing one of the few bright spots in Democratic Party history, the Clinton years, is quite an accomplishment. I agree snark, look at the bodies being sacrificed, all for this person. I hope the sacrifice is worth it. I wonder what will be left?
Who's going to be left should this person not win in November? How are Democrats going to look at the future candidates? Are they going to be viewed as Obama candidates or Clinton candidates? The superduper delegates, how are they going to be viewed? One has to wonder about what this race is costing the party.
The Democratic primaries are now equal to the Florida 2000 vote. We're seeing the argument of what should count more...the delegate count or the popular vote. How do you count caucus goers? I can remember how the legitimacy of Bush's election was called into question. Will the legitimacy of this years Democratic "victors" be called into question? Should Democrats win the GE, will the legitimacy be called into question? Or will all be forgotten? Everythings alright now that we're in?
Obama has succeeded where Rove could not. WOW, just wow.
Posted by peter at April 19, 2008 06:48 AMI see it more as they did it to themselves.
We'll agree to disagree then.
Posted by snark at April 19, 2008 06:48 AMI share the sentiments of those who are plese with the return of paradox' voice on LC.
As to the stated despair, ennui, and stated loss of "...faith, confidence, hope and general interest in our political system...because my voice and millions of other voices have been denied a hearing".
This is certainly an overreaction that I trust will pass. You have had your "hearing"; it's called a primary process and your candidate has lost. Most of us progressives have backed primary and GE candidates that have lost. We move on.
There are very few differences between Clinton and Obama on policy issues of major import. Your voices will be heard!
Will 'President' McCain hear you? Will he advocate for our issues?
Or, will we allow ourselves to be beaten in the GE like the long line of candidates that I have personally voted for (McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry)?
Obama WILL be the next President if we unite behind him now. If, as progressives, we let disappointment turn into complacency - we lose again.
Posted by tfitznc at April 19, 2008 06:50 AMand one of the candidates wants to disenfranchise michigan and florida...
This bullshit is so tired. Obama said he would abide whatever the powers that be decided. Blame Dean if you must and the state legislators come in for their share also. I think blaming Dean is also bullshit, but closer to the facts as they exist.
And do try to remember that Hillary signed on to a pledge that she latter violated. Where I come from, a person has their word or they have nothing. Hillary gave hers and even put it on paper. This is the same kind of thinking that led to certain people thinking the Geneva convention as quaint. People who don't receive the approved talking points (the majority of dems, never mind independents) are bothered by this and want no truck with it.
Is it so hard to see this true fact for what it is?
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 06:57 AMWho's going to be left should this person not win in November? How are Democrats going to look at the future candidates? Are they going to be viewed as Dean candidates or Kerry candidates? The superduper delegates, how are they going to be viewed? One has to wonder about what this race is costing the party.
We've been down this road before. I hated the Democratic powers that be with power of a thousand suns. Stabbed in the back , not by Republicans but by the very party that Deans supporters were supporting with every fiber of their being.
Harsh words were exchanged on blogs, bitter feelings were vented, and then the majority of Deaniacs rolled up their sleeves and went to work for the nominee. Dean to his credit said that every good Democrat should support the party.
Hillary will have a Dean moment, and we shall find out her true character at that point.
As for the powers-that-be, we rammed Dean up the DNCs ass sideways and instituted the 50 state strategy that has proven so successful for the 2006 races and for Obama currently.
Learn to channel and use your anger constructively. The state legislators in FLA and MI would be great place to start. You don't like cacuases? Get involved in party politics and try to change the primary process. Hell, try to knock off Dean if you think you got that much juice.
Or better yet, channel all that passion towards destroying the fucktards that laid waste to what used to be our country.
Time grows short.
Snarky, this isn't that type of race...Dean v Kerry. This division hasn't been cast in any way like the 2004 race. These arguments have become personal. If it were like 2004, this would be easy to fix. Indentity politics then was left to be used against the GOP. This years primaries have seen identity politics applied towards fellow Democrats! There are so many first this season...and the GOP hasn't had to lift a straw....yet.
Posted by peter at April 19, 2008 07:49 AMHow do you count caucus goers?
1...2...3...4...5...
It's pretty easy. After Florida and Ohio I can understand how an R-con has difficulty with the concept of counting.
Marginalizing one of the few bright spots in Democratic Party history, the Clinton years,...
Proof that Clinton was republicon-lite.
...look at the bodies being sacrificed, all for this person.
Wanna talk sacrificial acts? The virgin you Nimrods are sending to the volcano is McOld. ROFLMAO!! I think your only serious hope is to reanimate the corpse of Ray-gun. Both up-ticket and down-ticket republi-cons lose big this year. It's from you fucktards being back-biting insane and unable to govern any better than a frat house committee for keg beer purchases.
...channel all that passion towards destroying the fucktards that laid waste to what used to be our country.
Pay attention to that, petey. That is a prescient statement coming from SnarkyShark.
BTW: Obama is coming for you torturing elitist war criminal maroons. He's already said so. Your offense on our sensibilities will likely end with a cell door slamming shut...or maybe at the end of a noose. It's like poetry, don't you think?
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 07:54 AMbut I have been ill again, I’m afraid. At least this time certain tests brought definitive news and, at last, they know what’s wrong with me. Not a clue as to why I’m this way, but finally we know the answer and the fix is relatively easy, I shouldn’t get sick again, we think and hope. It has been a long, long road.
Welcome home, Paradox. I hope that your "cure" is fast acting and long lasting. There is nothing worse than the powerlessness that comes with chronic illness and to have some light at the end of your tunnel is fabulous.
You have been missed and it is great to have you back. Walk slowly.
snarky..you are full of fucking shit..the obama camp did everything in their power to discount florida and michigan..that is a fact..they said things as though they wanted to..but their actions were a totally different story..as is often the case with mr. obama..tues. is a big day..very
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 08:07 AMhey snarky..let me ask you something..if hillary wins pa by 15-20%..what will you make of that? should she quit?...and please don't answer me by saying she's not gonna..i am asking you what if she does?
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 08:19 AMI'm glad that you know what it is now, that really makes a difference. I was sick for a while, too, and then they diagnosed it and that helped immensely. Good luck!
Posted by blogtopus at April 19, 2008 08:22 AMThat might be your desire Phidy, but not the practice...not this year. This year McOld will win better than Reagan in 1980. Seven to one fundraising advantage and the race is even against the "best" Democrats have to offer this year. And Democrats can't seem to get their candidate even after all the front loading of primaries set to get a candidate early. Incompetence or just a divided party, not a divided country...party. I like our chances. Realist can see McOld being sworn in next January. Democrats to lose...and they did, or they're doing their part to lose. Thanks, many thanks and our country will be the better for it.
Posted by peter at April 19, 2008 08:30 AMsnarky..you are full of fucking shit..
Ooooo...I sense desperation and bitterness.
Damn! It sounds like the "Tuzla Terror" is pretty bitter too. But I'm sure the Clintonistas, like republi-cons, agree that activism is a bad thing. So no harm no foul.
This year McOld will win better than Reagan in 1980.
You need to get back on your meds. McOld can run with jesus as VP and can't win in the generals. How's down-ticket for you guys...ROFLMAO! You broke it you own it.
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 08:35 AMInteresting points about this silly MoveOn tape thing - the meeting it was taped at was after Super Tuesday. Months ago. And it comes out now? So, Obama was sitting on it until he got into trouble?
Also, if people will recall, Hillary was the one who got a lot of shit for voting against the MoveOn censure bill; Obama couldn't be bothered to show up.
Alot of MoveOn members didn't want to go into Afghanistan, I know, I was one of them at the time, but they realized there was no way we couldn't once it started, and didn't oppose it.
So why is this manufactured smear coming out this weekend before the PA primary? Number one, Arianna needed to make up for her launch of the "bitter" meme, and two, because Obama's fan base are down after his poor performance at the debate, and he needed to fire them up before PA. And considering the frothing at the mouth all over the 'nets, it worked. You're being manipulated by Rove II, it looks like, 'bots, how does it feel?
Posted by iamcoyote at April 19, 2008 08:35 AMthis is from tpm no fan of hillary..and i can cut and paste a few thousand of these if you like..they ran the clock out..exactky what the supreme court did in 2000..they didn't want to count the votes and we all know why..screw your bullshit
In New Memo, Obama Camp Effectively Opposes Michigan Revote
By Eric Kleefeld - March 19, 2008, 9:51AM
In a sign that the Obama campaign is effectively ruling out a new primary in Michigan, Obama campaign attorney Robert Bauer has put out a memo laying out all the legal and logistical difficulties that would be involved in getting a revote off the ground.
Bauer writes: "Whether the state can achieve its goals here depends on the nature and seriousness of the legal and administrative questions presented by this initiative — questions that, raised after the election, could put at risk the running of the election, undermine acceptance of the results if the election is held, and in both cases effectively deny Michigan voters, a second consecutive time, meaningful participation in the nominating process."
The Obama camp's opposition makes it all but certain that the revote won't happen.
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 08:36 AMDennis, Peter, imacoyote, Judith .... Turkana and eRiposte, et al:
The stages of grief and loss -
DENIAL
BARGAINING
ANGER
DESPONDENCY/DEPRESSION
ACCEPTANCE
Many of you seem to be 'stuck' in the ANGER stage. This is obviously bad for your heart and soul. Please move on and be part of the solution.
Posted by tfitznc at April 19, 2008 08:37 AMSo why is this manufactured smear coming out this weekend before the PA primary?
Because Mark Penn pulled the trigger too early, setting up Shillary on this one. I wonder who he owes his allegiances to?
...if hillary wins pa by 15-20%..what will you make of that...
Personally, I would think it means that pigs can fly out of ass, too. It would also mean that fairies and leprechauns exist.
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 08:42 AMtfitznc: Stuck in Anger, because, like the process of dealing with grief, this primary isn't over.
We can start accepting when Obama gets the nom, and not a minute earlier.
BTW the caterwauling has gotten a little more vicious on the O side lately -- does that mean you folks are starting your own process? Scared that the media is smelling blood in the water?
Posted by blogtopus at April 19, 2008 08:43 AMphidipides..i don't remeber asking you anything..but anyway it's exactly the kind of answer i would expect ..let's all just "hope" for the best..you guys seem good at that
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 08:47 AMBTW the caterwauling has gotten a little more vicious on the O side lately --
We've been embittered. It's now the Clintonista's turn...and right before the primary. It's gotta be tough when your flaws -and very deep flaws at that- are made so readily apparent...and right before a vote...
I'll distill the Clintonista arguments through Tuesday (on backs, kicking legs in air and flailing arms): "No fair! No fair!"
...i don't remeber asking you anything...
When that matters to me I'll let you know, spunky.
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 08:52 AMPhidy...Phidy cent, you're following Barry Obama's lead...he lost his "politics of hope and unification" message. He's stumbled onto the stage of denigrating his opponents. He seems uncertain as to how to change the subject. Where's the policy...he's not leading there anymore. The big issues of our time are being left as pettiness and mean spirited partisanship go forth. There's a lot of blood on the floor and the fight isn't over yet. He's not leading in any way...he's reacting, playing defense.
To our friend from North Carolina...no anger here, I haven't had the loss and am not greiving. I'm overjoyed where the race is today. Two has beens locked in mortal combat while the old man sits waiting for what left over.
Posted by peter at April 19, 2008 09:06 AMhe lost his "politics of hope and unification" message. He's stumbled onto the stage of denigrating his opponents..
Could you be any more clueless?
Two has beens locked in mortal combat while the old man sits waiting for what left over.
Yup!
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 09:10 AMBlogtopus,
I guess my central point was that Kubler-Ross' stages of grief imply movement toward eventual acceptance of the 'loss' of Hillary as our party's choice for standard-bearer.
Technically, anger is a stage and marker in the acknowledgement of a loss; hopefully not it's end-state.
Just my opinion (obviously you have a perfect right to yours). But as someone who has been through this grief process multiple times since the McGovern campaign, I have some experience. As a teenager many of my heroes were assassinated - a different type of loss.
As for the "caterwauling", I haven't seen much publically from the Obama campaign. If you are referring to thread commenters at Left Coaster, I can only answer for myself. I cetainly have been resentful of treatment by some of the long-time commenters and posters who seem to think that they 'own' this site and who seem to be rather monarchical in their tendencies.
As a long-time reader and rare commenter, I was aghast at how this site was, IMO, deteriorating in Steve's absence. It got me off my butt and emboldened me to at least offer some counterpoints to some of the factual innacuracies I found here about Sen. Obama.
I did get sick and tired of what I tried to present as thoughtful arguments/opinions being reduced to "whinings", "hysteria", "rantings", etc. of "Obamabots", "trolls", "blind followers of the DEAR LEADER", "Repugs", ad nauseum.
It gets old and does reflect, IMO, months of deperation by some of the so-called Clinton backers; who, like the attacks of her campaign surrogates, have only served to increase the negatives of both candidates in the public perception. As has been stated, Hillary's negatives are now in the 'fata' stage with respect to the GE.
I particularly blame eripostal and Turkana for this unfortunate discourse and petty recrimination; and HOPE that they will choose to join their "small tent" democrats at Talk Left, Corrente, or wherever. In the words of the Duke: "tall in the saddle or over it- no difference to me..."
Posted by tfitznc at April 19, 2008 09:18 AM
Anyone remember what happened today?
Branch Davidian near Waco and the Murrah Federal Building in OKC, 15 and 13 years ago, with Columbine's 9th aniversary Sunday.
Posted by peter at April 19, 2008 09:21 AMAnyone remember what happened today?
Yup. In 2004 Bush told us Iraq was ready to "take the training wheels off."
Posted by phidipides at April 19, 2008 09:27 AMtuesday..big day boys and girls..big day..barry wins it's over..barry loses by a little ..he wins..hillary wins comfortably she loses..she crushes him..she wins..lotta scenario's..he is outspeding her 5-1..polls say he is slipping..thing is how far..what i don't get though is that if hillary crushes him..which i think she is going to..you zombies don't think that matter..goofballs..all of ya...
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 09:31 AMby the way phidipidies..i am irish and fairies do exist..they certainly on this blog...leprechauns as well..do you know how they knew jesus christ was irish?..33..out of work..and living with his mother..
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 09:43 AMzombies and goofballs
I rest my case (for today anyway)
Posted by tfitznc at April 19, 2008 09:48 AMthank you counselor
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 09:56 AMThe history of how much of the Democratic Party got suckered in by a shallow fake like Obama (who AT BEST will be no different than the Clintons, except without Universal Healthcare)is, when it is finally written, going to make interesting, if depressing reading.
We had a chance to pick a true progressive (Edwards) and we blew it. We are left with two centrists, one of whom has intentionally divided the Democrats in the name of a phony call to Unity, but is treated by his fan club as a Liberal Messiah. If the implications for the future weren't so tragic, it would be really funny.
Posted by tdraicer at April 19, 2008 10:01 AM...if hillary wins pa by 15-20%..what will you make of that...
Since you asked me, I will tell tou that it makes no difference.
Obsma will slaughter her in NC and tie everywhere else.
One thing I am not is one of these people who think a floor fight will kill us. The result will be the same. Dean was an important peice of the puzzle. He is Moses, destined to never see the Holy Land(tm) but a prophet to show the way.
The way is the 50 state strategy. Dean controls the credentials committee. Obama represents the 50 state strategy, Hillary is on videotape as saying she doesn't go there. Additional proof can be found by examining her campaign strategy. Or rather Mark Penn's strategy. You know, the one that Terry McCauliffe and his clown show have used to lose pretty much every election they were involved in.
Do I need to diagram it for you?
That is what I think, take it or leave it.
And for the record, this post was indeed about me and what I think....kind of like 98% of the blog-o-sphere.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 10:10 AMAnd for the inevitable comments about FL and MI I claim prior ownership of the 48 state strategy(tm).
The primary's are a mess even before Dean came along. I give him credit for trying to get a handle on that. Betcha don't nobody try that crap again. Even more to consider how much juice both those states would have had if they would have stuck with their dates.
I feel some sympathy with FLA, but they need to quit electing Republicans to state office.
Disenfranchisement is saying no smaller purplish states matter. Elitist too! Now that those states do matter, we got a whole bunch of real elitist screaming bloody murder.
Get a grip.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 10:22 AMdespite the longing by some..mi and fla..are and continue to be a factor in this process..wish as one may..to say that if hillary wins big in pa ..it doesn't matter...is just not true..especially a big win..it matters greatly..to the super delegates and to the voting public...the 50 state strategy is irrelevent..right now..it's about electoral votes and who can win them..if this primary season were winner take all she would be winning..i realize it's not..she wins pa big..and you're not even that close to the nomination..she ain't quitting..barack hurt himself this past week..he may well again..so pesky.. having to count all the votes
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 10:52 AM.mi and fla..are and continue to be a factor in this process..
If you mean the constant whining will continue, I agree.
The race was over a while back. Just like we have to let the Republicans play out their stupid " we could have won in Vietnam" fantasy in Iraq, so too must we let the Clintonites act out their math/rules/delagates/popular vote doesn't matter fantasy on the alter or poor martyered Fla, the state that brought you all flavors of Bush.
At least nobody is dying that wasn't already.
Sigh.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 12:49 PMthe 50 state strategy is irrelevent..right now..it's about electoral votes and who can win them.
No, right now its about delegates and who can win them. The general starts after that is decided, and the General is a completely new ballgame.Even the media, who loved their horse-race is making hand and arm signals signaling a wave off.
The super-delagates are not going to Kerry-out this time. There will be no designated DLC hand-off. They will not piss off their activist base which has been sharpening their picks and oiling their torches. They will not disenfranchise the AA community. They will not give themselves over to a candidate who's unfavorables are starting to circle the rim. The paradigm has shifted.
Al Wynn was establishment. Ask him how that worked
out. The DLC triangulated itself right out of the equation.
for you to say if hillary wins big in pa..it doesn't matter..you are not a serious person..pretty naive..as many of you are
Posted by dennis at April 19, 2008 02:27 PMAnd to all of the millions of people out there who actually want to hear Obama explain all of the crap that ABC asked him about, Paradox and the rest of the Blogosphere That Knows Better Than You (BTKBTT) would like to tell you in no uncertain terms that your opinion doesn't count and that any interest you have in anything other than policy questions just proves how stupid and unsophisticated you are.
Thanks for tuning in and maybe even voting, but really, it would be better if you just stay home and leave the political discourse in the hands of the BTKBTT. They are so much smarter than you and their concerns are the only concerns you should be concerned with, anyway.
We now return to our undemocratic process, already in progress.
Posted by dark1p at April 19, 2008 03:04 PMthe Blogosphere That Knows Better Than You (BTKBTT) would like to tell you in no uncertain terms that your opinion doesn't count and that any interest you have in anything other than policy questions just proves how stupid and unsophisticated you are.
At this point, any interest in trivial pursuit is a waste of time. Policy issues are the only issues that mean a damn. Everything else is distraction by shiny objects. Anybody that thinks otherwise is stupid and unsophisticated. If this hits close to home, then consider yourself part of the problem.
Try to be part of the solution.
Posted by SnarkyShark at April 19, 2008 09:05 PMhey snarky..to consder yourself sophisticated is about as accurate as you saying a big win in pennsylvania for hiilary doesn't matter....actually it is quite childish and quite reflective of obama supporters who can see no imperfectons in their candidate..when there are clearly many things ..moving forward to the future a strong coalition will be needed to accomplish anything..i am not sure who hillary has offened by her own words..but barack obama has offended many...
Posted by dennis at April 20, 2008 05:54 AMWelcome back Doxy! LC's been crap without you! How well I remember your brilliance in years gone by; did you ever think this Bush shit would last? Where is the impeachment we dreamed of? Remember the glory days of 2004? When we were stupid enough to think Dean had a chance?
I'm glad you're well; my mom died two weeks ago of leukemia. She's out of it and in a better place, without BUSH!
Posted by Maniacal at April 21, 2008 09:44 PM