If Hillary can't win, why is Camp Obama reeking of flop sweat and desperation?
Real ponies don't oink.
Posted by myiq2xu at April 20, 2008 12:01 PMEriposte..what happened to Clinton's 20+ lead in PA?
down to single digits everywhere. I guess gaffes and missteps don't hurt as bad as you think. Gotacha politics...we've had eight years of them. McCain/Clinton is not a ticket people want.
What I get from it is.....with all that going his way she is still in the race up by 10 probably. It speak more of her then him.
Posted by Kefa at April 20, 2008 01:50 PMEver since the Iowa caucuses he has gotten the best media coverage and treatment that any politician has ever received, certainly the best in the last 40 years.
Well, it was because he wasn't black enough...or too much like Jesse Jackson...or doesn't wear a flag pin...or is embittered...
Posted by phidipides at April 20, 2008 01:57 PMKeep it up Eri. For a candidate whose supporters say Hillary's health care plan - remember when we were all Democrats and believed in Universal Health Care? - will just never pass, it does fly in the face of the argument that Obama will have huge coattails. Or that he is actually interested in tackling the really difficult issues ahead for this country. There is a big reason why Obama is receiving so much corporate money - they all know he's not going to do a thing to stop their BS.
Posted by jeter at April 20, 2008 02:45 PMSpin spin spin.
It's all spin, this "expectations" nonsense, regardless of which candidate's supporters are flogging it.
It would be trivial to find stuff from a few months ago arguing that "if Clinton can't win such and such a state, then yadda yadda yadda". That would be just as impressive as the "if Obama can't win" line.
Spin.
Posted by joel dan walls at April 20, 2008 02:52 PMt2..
big day tuesday..don't ya think?..i don't think it will be quite 20%....but if it's 16%..does that mean that barry really won..and it's time for hillary to quit.....ya think?..
Posted by dennis at April 20, 2008 03:31 PMYou Obamabots and Obama-anians go take a cold shower.
I live in PA. I live in northwestern PA. Not one Obama ad. Not one Obama visit, not one Obama surrogate visit (until yesterday afternoon). (An Obama surrogate showed up yesterday for about half an hour--Governor Kathleen Sibelius.)
The press reportage is very positive for Hillary Clinton.
Obama apparently is spending his money like crazy elsewhere.
We have had in this vicinity, in the last three weeks: Governor Tom Vilsack (Mercer), Chelsea Clinton (Slippery Rock), Bill Clinton (New Castle, and Hermitage--just yesterday).
The MSM doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground. They are attempting mightily to manufacture consent. But I can see through it all. (I am so glad that I had read that book about this by Noam Chomsky all those years ago.)
All of these polls that all of the Obama supporters are quoting left and right are completely meaningless.
But I am not meaningless. I am voting on Tuesday.
And none of you Obamabots or Obama-anians can stop me.
Not a goddamn one.
I am voting for Hillary Clinton, as she is indeed the best candidate. She is also the best prepared candidate. And she is also the candidate with the most awareness, the most humanity, and the most accumulated wisdom. And she has an exceptionally good idea of how to operate within a complex, byzanitine bureaucracy.
You can keep your Obama bromides and soaring rhetoric.
There's no substance behind the Obama rhetoric.
And that should give the Democratic Party great pause.
Not one of the Obama supporters--Senators and anyone else--can talk about any of his achievements. Because he doesn't have any. They talk about "change" (of course) and "feelings" (of course) and a "new way of doing politics" (of course). They can't talk about anything of substance that Obama has done that can be applied to running a complex, byzantine bureaucracy.
Not one thing.
Think about that.
Posted by Troubled American at April 20, 2008 05:54 PMSorry to Trouble you further.
From a fellow Pennsylvanian in today's UK Telegraph:
"...Hillary's public career has glaringly been a subset to her husband's success. Despite her reputation for brilliance, she failed the Washington, DC bar exam. Thus her migration to Little Rock was not simply a selfless drama for love; she was fleeing the capital where she had hoped to make her mark.
In Little Rock, every role that Hillary played was obtained via her husband's influence - from her position at the Rose Law Firm to her seat on the board of Wal-Mart to her advocacy for public education reform. In a pattern that would continue after Bill became president, Hillary would draw attention by expressing public "concern" for a problem, without ever being able to organise a programme for reform.
Hillary has always been a policy wonk, a functionary attuned to bureaucratic process, but she has never shown executive ability, which makes her quest for the presidency problematic.
Hillary's disastrous botching of national healthcare reform in 1993 (a project to which her husband rashly appointed her) will live in infamy. Obama may also have limited executive experience, but he has no comparable stain on his record".
Posted by tfitznc at April 20, 2008 06:07 PM"Thus her migration to Little Rock was not simply a selfless drama for love; she was fleeing the capital where she had hoped to make her mark."
"Hillary's disastrous botching of national healthcare reform in 1993 (a project to which her husband rashly appointed her) will live in infamy"
do people really talk like this or is an attempt at the great american novel?..
Posted by dennis at April 20, 2008 06:54 PMCarmen Paglia does.
A bit too 'romance novel' genre for my taste as well, but to the point.
Posted by tfitznc at April 20, 2008 07:03 PMWho knows what'll happen in PA. After six months of media smear, I'm just surprised Hillary is still in it. But the msm have always attacked our strongest leaders. They did a number on the Clintons in the 90s, and called Gore a liar nonstop for using a figure of speech to describe his work on internet law. The smears this time are dumber than ever, and I'm surprised how quickly the Obama crowd bought in. They ate it with a shovel and in three minutes were copying the form and content of the bile monsters. That's ignorance at the cellular level.
Posted by Will at April 21, 2008 07:53 AM"If Obama can't win this blue-leaning swing state against a weakened Clinton, what does it say?"
Nothing. Other than there are more conservative Dems in PA than progressive ones. And that Obama will have to soldier on until NC, where the Dem electorate is more balanced, and where he will win convincingly.
p.s. I can't recall the number of delegates exactly who have come out for Obama this week - 5? 6? - but won't that pretty much offset any Clinton gains from PA? I mean, unless she gets the 20+ blowout she needs to have a chance at equaling Obama's delegate total by the convention?
Posted by balthus at April 21, 2008 11:35 AMTroubled American:
Yeah he's in the college cities like Philly and Pitt. Due to the screwed up system of delegates.
Hillary will win, but he will get a lot of delegates because some "Lamb-Brain" lumped all the delegates in the city. Instead of spreading them out evenly across the state. So, in short, the map will be light-blue for Clinton all over the state except the college cities.
I wrote a good piece over at daily kos about Obama. It Brought a lot of stuff out on him. I have since been banned from the site. I guess the Obamanites didn't like it much.
Here's the link Please go and read it. I prove that Ferraro's comments to Obama were just quotes from himself. Twice!!!!!!!
Oh and you all don't forget to sign this petition if you don't want to support Obama even though you voted for him.
This will show Dean and the DNC how much support Obama has lost.
Posted by John C. at April 21, 2008 02:10 PMLet us not make it all about Obama. What has the inevitable Hillary done since super Tuesday? Not much. Where did her 20+ point lead go? Down the rabbit hole before her expert marksmanship? America wants a change, not a return to the previous century!
Posted by rem at April 21, 2008 02:16 PM