Just when I thought the good ol' gay bashing godbots in Arizona were being ignored, the State Leguslatechur yesterday voted yet another version of the gay marriage ban on the Nov ballot!
Between McCain being from here and gay marriage on the ballot(failed in 06, but this is a watered down version), ya think Arizona is in play?
Posted by TIKI AL at May 13, 2008 02:04 AMask dennis, he'll no doubt have a biased opinion
Posted by at May 13, 2008 02:53 AMmorning all:
here's a snippet from the msnbc website:
The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"
or:
Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy, the daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy, said she, too, came across "a lot of racism" when campaigning for Obama in Pennsylvania. One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."
here's the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/
this is not a reflection on hrc, but are these the kind of voters she's looking to count on?
according to the article, this goes under reported by the campaign and he looks for the high road.
this one is nice too:
on primary day when she was pressed by a Clinton volunteer to explain her backing of Obama. "I trust him," Seifert replied. According to Seifert, the woman pointed to Obama's face on Seifert's T-shirt and said: "He's a half-breed and he's a Muslim. How can you trust that?"
Anthony, I appreciate your response on the thread below. I'm copying (most of) it here so I can see it to respond.
why to vote for obama?
he is new to the process.
i have a bias for folks who lived overseas, it colors their world view a bit.
I agree with that. Experience living overseas is good, though wasn't he only like 11 when he moved back? My dh lived overseas from around age 10-15 and I don't really see that experience reflected in his views. Maybe it's different because he was on a military base, so it was still a bit like living in the US.
paid off school loans. So?
lived on food stamps. I don't see growing up poor as a plus necessarily, just as I don't see growing up rich as a disqualification.
had a single mother. Again, this does nothing to shape my opinion of him.>/b>
goes to church, but believes in the sep of church and state. I give him the benefit of the doubt because he's not a republican, but he's a little too religious for my tastes. Same with Clinton though.
he is less polarizing than hrc. I see this as an electability issue, which I'm not interested in in this discussion. I don't think Clinton is polarizing at all when she's actually working with people to get things done. She just (for whatever reason) has this big-picture polarizing reputation. I actually think she's possibly better at working with other people than Obama is.
his message is consistent from state to state,
i reference michelle norris' again here.
he motivates. Not sure if that is one item or two--Don't know who Michelle Norris is, so I'd have to look at that.
the is anti-establishment, not lock step with the dino's of the party. Not sure I really see that.
i am hard pressed to find exactly where he called hrc or bill racist or made sexist comments toward hrc. would appreciate you pointing that out to me. not surrogates, but him. I've not made the claims that he was race-baiting or sexist, so someone else will have to give you the examples. I do know that I didn't like that he never said anything about Jesse Jackson Jr's comments that Clinton didn't cry for Katrina (i.e. she doesn't care about black people.) Mostly what I saw was Obama not criticizing his surrogates for the things they said, whereas Clinton fired hers. I also didn't like his sort of back-handed compliment that he didn't believe Clinton was elitist when she made the "baking cookies" comments. He brought up something that no one had thought of in 15 years, just to show that she was putting down stay-at-home moms.
someone above mentioned wanting blood from the repub party, i do also, but that mentality will get nothing through congress. agreed, though he doesn't have to be in a love-fest with them either
he plans to investigate the current admin. really? If so, great.
20 yrs of community organization.
he knows the constitution.
he is an orator. and yes, sometimes being an orator is a needful trait. agreed
i don't believe in garnishing wages to pay for health care (i acknowledge it is dead in the water, per congress) But I think he'd do this too as part of his mandate for children's coverage.
looking for long term solutions to the energy crisis. good
calling out for personal responsibility in the black community. is he? Certainly not something a white politician could do.
challenging us to be our brother's keeper (biblical that) Haven't heard this.
So all in all, without comparing him to Clinton, you've convinced me that being a great orator is good, he'll investigate the current admin, long term solutions to the energy crisis (but he voted for Cheney's energy bill, so that's suspect, and he watered down a nuclear regulatory bill in the Ill senate until it was useless...), and I think that's about it. Now, I've said all along I'll vote for him, but my reasons for not liking him seem to outweigh my reasons for liking him. Still, he's lightyears better than McCain.
One other thing, I worry about who he'll appt to the Supreme Court, him being so into bringing people together and all. I'm worried he'll choose someone too conservative.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 06:05 AMDarn, missed a "" tag.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 06:07 AMthat should be: missed an "end bold" tag. Sorry my post is hard to read.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 06:08 AMcg:
he said he will nominate judges that will uphold rvw. interview with wolf b. michelle norris is the host of all things considered from npr. she made those statements during last sunday's mtp.
i brought up the food stamp issue and student loan issue to illustrate that he understands, as he was a product of, the middle/ lower class. he fired staffers also who engaged in underhanded commentary. the "monster," lady, fired. bob johnson hrc surrogate, not slapped down. i had a lengthy conversation with my dad about hrc. he was considering voting for mc cain as he did not like what he felt hrc engaged in. had to convince him otherwise. you are right concerning garnishing wages for kid's health care. i am looking forward to see how he will offset the hardship. you can't discount 20+ years of community work, specially in southside chicago...
I listened to Bill Moyers yesterday, and he didn't mince words when it comes to what he sees as a clear and present threat to American democracy. "Democracy in this country has been a series of narrow escapes. And now, we may be running out of luck. Money, faction and fear, are within reach of pulling down the great American experiment." When a Government is for only a few, and the playing field is no longer level for all the people, it is the end of the American Dream.
Posted by JudithOne at May 13, 2008 06:37 AMmichelle norris is the host of all things considered from npr. she made those statements during last sunday's mtp.
Ah, I do know who she is.
What exactly is community organizing and what did he do? I know I should read his book, but I haven't.
About paying off student loans, I'm honestly sick of Michelle talking about how they couldn't pay them off until Barack's book took off. She was making over $100K at one point and then over $300K. Boo-hoo. I mean good for them for being successful, but don't bitch and moan that you couldn't pay off your loans (and how much were they--didn't they both get scholarships?) when you're single income is more than most people make when both spouses are working. Michelle would be a strong first lady, maybe she'll even run for president someday. I think she's a very talented speaker--I've seen her speak for a long time without notes and not ramble and it didn't sound like a "canned" stump speech. But there are times she rubs me the wrong way.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 07:51 AMask me what?..
Posted by dennis at May 13, 2008 09:13 AMask me what?..
The average airspeed of a swallow carrying a coconut.
Posted by phidipides at May 13, 2008 09:18 AMi didn't know that a swallow could carry a coconut...
Posted by dennis at May 13, 2008 09:40 AMI received this, and cannot believe that anyone I know would forwarded this garbage. Smacks of GOP tactics, fear, fear, fear.
Subject: This man must not get into of
Please send this out to everyone that cares
Celeste and Loren Davis are Missionaries in Africa and can shed some light on one of our Presidential candidates.
Thanks for sending out an alert about Obama. We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here. Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence (over 350,000) and I don't know the last count of the dead. Obama under 'friends of Obama' gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in east germany. He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country! December 27th elections brought cries from ODM (Odinga Camp) of rigged election. Obama and Raila speak daily. As we watch Obama rise in the US we are sure that whatever happens, he will use the same tactic, crying rigged election if he doesn't win and possibly cause a race war in America.
What we would like you to know is what the american press has been keeping a dirty little secret. Obama IS a muslim and he IS a racist and this is a fullfilllment of the 911 threat that was just the beginning. Jihad is the only true muslim way. We have been working with them for 20 years this july! He is not an american as we know it. Please encourage your friends and associates not to be taken in by those that are promoting him. It is world wide jihad. All our friends in Europe are very disturbed by the mulsim infiltration into their countries. By the way. His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama. Won't that sound sweet to our enemies as they swear him in on the Koran!
God Bless you.
Pray for us here in Kenya. We are still fighting for our nation to withstand the same kind of assult that every nation, including America, is fighting. Takeover from the outside to fit the new world order. As believers, this means we will be the first targets. Here in Kenya, not one mosque was burned down, but hundreds of churches were burned down, some with people in them, burned alive.
Jesus Christ is our peace but the new world order of Globalism has infiltrated the church and confused believers into thinking that they can compromise and survive. It won't be so. I will send you a newsletter we sent out in February documenting in a more cohesive manner what I've tried to say in a few paragraphs.
Love, Celeste
Celeste and Loren Davis
http://www.pamibe.com/2008/01/05/the-real-barack-hussein-obama/
Posted by JudithOne at May 13, 2008 09:51 AMGood grief!
I saw today that 15% of Americans still think Obama is Muslim. AFter the Wright controversy. Wow.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 10:34 AMObama picks up another super delegate.
Roy Romer, a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and former governor of Colorado, has decided to announce his support for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill."My reasons are that the party needs to get on right now with a lot of business, including figuring out what to do with Michigan and Florida," Romer told ABC News. "It's important to make known right now not only my vote but as many superdelegates as possible."
I saw today that 15% of Americans still think Obama is Muslim.
The same people who think that Iraq had something to do with 9/11!
But then they probably don't know the capital of their own state either.
Those sort of emails are now deciding elections. The pernicious roots of the Repub email tree extend very far, and these things are completely ignored by the candidates and MSM. Thus, they are never repeatedly debunked, and any attempts to do so are declared by demented conservatives to be the lib'rul media not wantin' True Muricans to Know the Truth!!
This email sort of explains that little Southern church and its sign "connecting" Obama and Osama, doesn't it? Note that this one appears to beconnected to fundamentalist Christians---surprise! surprise! as Gomer would say.
This is a huge problem and Dems must find some way to combat it. Ignoring it is a disaster in the current environment of pinheadism and whatever candidate emerges will need a strategy to deal with it.
The real use of the internet for "conservatives" is to send lying, covert personal smearsheets, then scatter like cockroaches when the exterminator arrives, while the Repub candidate piously disavows any knowledge of the action. Mission Conservative.
Posted by euzoius at May 13, 2008 10:39 AMJust getting around to reading my TIME magazine and this article made me like Obama even less.
On his first run for Congress:
The contest raised another question that haunts Obama to this day: Does he have the will to win? Halfway through the race, he took his family to Hawaii for Christmas, missing a key vote in Springfield on legislation to make illegal gun possession a felony. The measure was intended to deter violence in the kind of gun-ravaged neighborhoods he was seeking to represent. Illinois's governor, who called a special session to pass the measure, pleaded with Obama to come back. His staff did too. But Obama, who had previously supported the bill, refused to return for the vote on grounds that his 18-month-old daughter was sick. When the bill lost narrowly, Obama came in for a large share of the blame.
He's a good dad--that's great. I'm a big believer in parenthood and taking vacations. And while I don't want a workaholic for a husband, I do want one for a president.
It fell to Bill Clinton to deliver the coup de grace. The President broke his policy of staying neutral in primaries and endorsed Rush in a glowing radio spot.
Ah--so he has it in for Bill and maybe Hillary.
At 38, he was a state legislator in a party out of power, a black politician trounced in the black heartland, an outsider in the tribal world of Chicago politics. His long absences from home had angered his wife.
Again, I don't blame Michelle for not wanting a workaholic husband, but if you want to be president, you have to work pretty hard. He's already talked about how he'll want to balance family time with the job. Commendable, but I'd rather have a president unencumbered by small children and a wife who wants him home for dinner.
But if Obama was going to make his great leap forward, he would need the help of men like Emil Jones. A former sewer inspector in Chicago, Jones worked his way up the Democratic machine on the Far South Side to become Illinois's senate president in 2003, a pork-barreling, wheeling-and-dealing powerhouse.
With Hull and Hynes likely to split the white vote, Obama would need blanket support from African Americans. But in seven years in Springfield, he was best known for passing ethics reform. The GOP majority hadn't made it any easier to pass social-justice legislation. Now Jones was in control of the body and its agenda. He picked Obama to steer and ultimately get credit for laws that passed in the second half of 2003 after years of demands by the black community: death-penalty reform, taping of homicide interrogations, fattening tax credits for the working poor and a measure to curb racial profiling.
Again, as with the ethics legislation in the US Senate, what I thought was initiative and leadership on Obama's part wasn't.
Obama, meanwhile, had junked his starchy speaking style in favor of something that helped him shore up his base. Dan Shomon, his campaign manager against Rush, believes Obama learned the art of public speaking at the scores of black churches he visited in 2000, absorbing the rhythm and flourishes of pastors and watching how their congregations reacted. ...(snip)...He rarely missed a chance to speak at Sunday services in black churches, where, Mendell writes, he linked his candidacy to the larger march forward of African Americans. He emphasized his Christian faith and often mentioned his pastor, Jeremiah Wright. While Wright has been a liability to Obama this year, in 2004, when Obama faced doubts on racial authenticity, he was a campaign asset. "It affirmed his roots," said Cobb.
Painted himself as the black candidate.
Obama's contributor list made some uncomfortable. "Is he really reform-minded, transcendent, clean, fresh and new, or is this just another politician?" asked a donor wooed by Obama but signed by Clinton. "The answer is, he's just another politician."
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 10:51 AM...I thought was initiative and leadership on Obama's part wasn't.
Jezzus CG... what politician doesn't have policy handed to them on a silver platter. Hillary got a lot of "initiative and leadership" in the Senate just from being married to the President.
Posted by Seven of Six at May 13, 2008 11:43 AMwhat politician doesn't have policy handed to them on a silver platter.
Guess I just don't know how things work.
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 11:48 AMwhat politician doesn't have policy handed to them on a silver platter.
Guess I just don't know how things work. (no sarcasm)
Posted by CG at May 13, 2008 11:48 AMdamn, 20 years of attending trinity, but folks still think he's a muslim.
rev. wright all the time, and 15% of the pop, thinks he's a muslim?
that ignorance is that prevalent with some, is disheartening. these people still breed?
kinda like the believers who think men walked with dinosaurs...
no fcukin wonder our education system is so outta whack...
Hopefully, these idiots don't vote. I don't see Bubba, sitting in the back of his pick-up truck with rifles harnessed across his back window, going to the polls. Hopefully.
My reply to the email was not exactly nice.
Posted by JudithOne at May 13, 2008 03:05 PM