It seems that what President Bush said rang true with the Democrats.....otherwise, why would they (Obama and company) feel such a strong need to respond?
P.S. This can only help Hillary!
Posted by Bagley at May 15, 2008 06:31 PMyes, boggled, because, as we learned from the swift boat b.s., it's best to ignore an odious and dishonest republican smear, and just assume that people will see through it.
Posted by Turkana at May 15, 2008 06:34 PMTurkana,
Will the sun rise in the East tomorrow?
Oh, that is an easy question...have you found your DD-214?
But, wasn't it Senator Obama who stipulated in one of the Democratic debates that he would meet unconditionally with the leaders of Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela?
Unconditionally? Curious, don't you think? What do you think would come out of these meetings? I mean, other than a dimunition of the Office of the President of the United States of America.
A paper agreement, perhaps? how did that work out last time? (But, then again, I do suppose that you consider Mahmouhd Ahmenajad, Kim-Jong-Il, and Hugo Chavez trust-worthy.)
Kudos to Senator Clinton (and Reid, Pelosi, etc.) for joining Obama in condemnation of Bush. Senator Clinton is running the positive campaign I'd hoped she would, and demonstrated today how that can strengthen the Party. The coordinated rapid response by the Democratic team is heartening, as if they know what they are doing or something.
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at May 15, 2008 06:54 PMNot so curious; they would rather clink snifters with their fellow travelers, to the demise of western civilization.
Posted by onar at May 15, 2008 07:21 PMboggled,
did you get a dd or a bcd? because we all know that any patriotic supporter of the war would be there.
Posted by Turkana at May 15, 2008 07:31 PMFunny, Bush and McCain are doing the work that so many of us Democrats were trying to do over the next few months - help bring our party together. That was, well, quite wonderful.
Thanks, John.
Thanks, George.
You guys rock!
Posted by MisterOpus1 at May 15, 2008 08:16 PMIn other news, Tweety grows a pair and hands a Right Wing Mouthpiece his ass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK0d8ENS__c&e
Wow. That was damn impressive.
Posted by MisterOpus1 at May 15, 2008 08:22 PMProof positive this country is run by fucking children... even if it was simply for political rhetoric.
Posted by Simp at May 15, 2008 11:59 PM1. Talks with hostile nations aren't "appeasement".
2. We're already "talking" (and agreeing!) with N Korea, and haven't ever stopped.
3. Chavez is the freely and fairly elected leader of Venezuala, a country with whom we have diplomatic relations.
4. Iran is not Nazi Germany in any rational universe, nor is Ahmadinejad its dictator.
5. Even the Israeli Likudniks watching this cretinous Bush "performance" must have thought, "What an imbecile...."
6. The brains of wingnuts like Bagley long ago ceased functioning and cannot be resuscitated.
Posted by euzoius at May 16, 2008 05:50 AMoops, I forgot:
7. Bush's ambassador to Iraq has already held talks with Iran, with Bush's approval. IRAN recently broke them off, not us.
Why can't the MSM do this? It's scandalous. The fact that the hated Bush is allowed to get away with this imbecilic, lying nonsense is very disturbing.
Posted by euzoius at May 16, 2008 05:57 AMAnd another thing.
Bush's pet gen'ral in Iraq not only talked and negotiated with hostile sunni Bathist insurgents (who had killed the great majority of our troops), but signed a "deal" with them and armed and paid them as well.
How is that not actual appeasement, GarbageBagger?
Posted by euzoius at May 16, 2008 06:09 AMIronically, the vast majority of Israel citizens(the Jews, not the apartheided Palestinians who live in Israel but don't have citizenship) favor negotiations with Hamas, Iran, etc.
So Obama's views are in the mainstream for Israel, but Bush/McCain's views are not. Irony.
But you wouldn't know that listening to the US press.
Posted by Anonny at May 16, 2008 07:54 AMpoor Bagless Bagley, his hero Saint Ronnie met without preconditions with the head of the Evilllll Empire
Posted by Gay Veteran at May 16, 2008 11:33 AMWhew, More lies. Might you be the resident sculpter of truth?
Perhaps you recall Nevill Chamberlin who met personally with Hitler with no preconditions and left half of Poland on the floor. Nevill's visit demonstrated that we were weak. Germany's big advance started shortly after.
Here is what was said by President Bush that got B. Hussein Obama's panties in a bunch.
"“Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,” said Bush, in what White House aides privately acknowledged was a reference to calls by Obama and other Democrats for the U.S. president to sit down for talks with leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
“We have heard this foolish delusion before,” Bush said in remarks to the Israeli Knesset. “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American Senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dSPrb5w_k
Now B. Hussein Obama is back peddling like crazy. Trying hard as he can to feign righteous indignation over being caught saying...I never said what I said on video and on my website. What a chuckle.
Here is a quote taken from B. Hussein Obama's own website: "Diplomacy: Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. Now is the time to pressure Iran directly to change their troubling behavior. Obama would offer the Iranian regime a choice. If Iran abandons its nuclear program and support for terrorism, we will offer incentives like membership in the World Trade Organization, economic investments, and a move toward normal diplomatic relations. If Iran continues its troubling behavior, we will step up our economic pressure and political isolation. Seeking this kind of comprehensive settlement with Iran is our best way to make progress."
Easier to work the peons into a frenzie when you skip most of the truth.
Posted by Markle at May 16, 2008 08:17 PMMockle, there are so many egregious factual errors in just your redition of the Munich Conference that it's clear (like most wingnuts) you've never read a book in your life, and certainly not one about the years before WWII. You are an ignorant cretin, despite your comic belief of high intelligence and information.
And your continuing wingnut fantasies that the "lessons" of dealing with Nazi Germany in the 30s have the slightest relevance to the US dealing with Iran in 2008 shows that you are fundamentally a very stupid, grossly unintelligent person---a simple gorger of wingnut propaganda sites. Pinheads like you are the backbone of the GOoP, and the reason that America is enmeshed in one catastrophe after another and in terrible decline.
Come back after you have mastered an ordinary high schooler's understanding of 20th century history and a smattering of logic. That will take you quite a while.
Posted by euzoius at May 17, 2008 05:08 AMHey euzoius,
Nice to see you don't refute any of the facts. Then, like any left wing liberal all you can resort to is name calling. I'm impressed! ohhhh
ROTFLMAO
Posted by Markle at May 17, 2008 05:14 PMMarkle and pinhead president drawing a parallel between Hitler's Germany and 21st Century Iran is a laugh riot.
Posted by Copeland at May 18, 2008 06:47 PM