Plus, Obama is promising everything to everybody. Pretty sweet.
You want free health care? You got it!
You want free college? You got it!
You want zero carbon emissions? You got it!
You want peace in the Middle East? You got it!
as opposed to mccain, muck, who merely promises more and endless wars.
Posted by Turkana at June 9, 2008 01:30 AMYeah, to add to Muck's post...you want a global warming bill...you got it...higher gas prices...you got it. Great leadersheep from princess sparkle and give-em hell harry...you got it.
Democrats...taking us where no man has gone before...yet higher taxes...maybe even a return to the Carter tax rates,this time with no loopholes!
Aren't we tired of the Obama/Carter tax policies? The toothless Obama/Carter foreign policies and the inept Obama/Carter military policies?
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 03:22 AMtell me again what exactly does mc cain have to offer except bush revisited?
economy, no idea.
common man, no idea again on that one.
straight talk, that myth left in 2000.
health care, hell uncka sugar takes care of that for me...
war, i was for it before i was agin it.
diplomacy, never heard of it.
so, what does he have to offer us?
McSame has zero to offer, conservatives hate him. He's tied to Bush and can't ever escape from that. And you Obama bashers, lets see McSame draw the crowds like him, oh, thats right Grampy can't read a teleprompter. 100 years in Iraq, its yours, more tax cuts for the rich,done. Bomb Iran, he's there. Barack will beat him like a rented mule. The goopers never brag up McSame, they just tear down Obama. Ask Frank Luntz how that works out in a GE. There is no enthusiasm for Grampy, and we will swamp him with money and volunteers. BRING IT ON!
Posted by Joe at June 9, 2008 04:16 AMmore mc cain gems:
6 mos ago, warrantless wiretapping bad...
now its ok.
tax cuts on the rich bad, now, gwb's cuts are a good thing and we need to keep them.
voted against at least two katrina relief bills,
now, to a reporter, i supported every bit of legislation for new orleans.
campaign finance reform good, except when i need extra cash.
lobbyists are bad, but, phil, charlie, et al within my campaign are good people and they make my policy.
again, what is his health care plan? where is he on the economy? 90% in lock step with gwb. yep, the maverick meme will be debunked rapidly and repeatedly during this election.
Posted by anthony at June 9, 2008 04:56 AMIn what universe did McBush have to "spend months....defending" his all-lobbyist campaign team? I'd bet 80% of voters couldn't answer a single question on the topic. And now it's dead as far as I can tell.
Good run down of the lying, opportunistic McBush's litany of flip-flops, anthony, which still hardly scratches the surface. As I asked on another thread, given that Rove's entire campaign in 2004 was "Senator Flip-Flop!!" one might think that our "independent" MSM would think to do some "reporting" of their own about McBush's utterly egregious, laugh-out-loud funny "flips".
But not a peep, of course. Again, 80% of the people wouldn't even know what you mean, and couldn't identify a single McBush flip.
This is why this election will be very close, with McBush likely "winning" as Bush did in 2000---losing the popular vote and winning the electoral college. It's McBoob's best chance, and I'll bet that's going to be Uncle KKKKarl's strategy.
Posted by euzoius at June 9, 2008 05:11 AMthis dog won't hunt either...
(sorry bout the cut and paste)
cg, i know you brought this up earlier, i hope this debunks your concerns, if you didn't hear bout it already...
Is Bogus Michelle Obama Rumor Based On A Work Of Fiction?
By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld - June 6, 2008, 6:20PM
Is it possible that the bogus Michelle Obama rumor you've all heard by now is actually based on a work of fiction?
The rumor in question is one that's been circulating in recent weeks to the effect that there's video out there of Michelle Obama saying something derogatory about white people.
Not a single shred of evidence has surfaced to support this claim. Nobody has actually said they've personally seen it. It hasn't been posted to YouTube as you'd expect on something this juicy. Even Republican operatives we've spoken to say they don't believe it exists.
Despite the tenuousness of this rumor, Obama was actually asked about this non-existent video in front of the national press by a reporter the other day. Understandably, he pushed back hard on the notion that he should have to answer such a question.
Now Jim Geraghty of National Review has claimed that the rumor may be based on...fiction. A political thriller called The Power Broker, published in 2006 by Stephen Frey, features the presidential campaign of Dem candidate Jesse Wood, who's aspiring to be the country's first African-American president.
We went out and got the book. And sure enough, in the novel, Wood's opponents discover video of the candidate himself -- not his wife -- discussing with a radical black minister how he will "f--- whitey" when he gets into office, despite all his public rhetoric about racial reconciliation. Here's what he says on the fictional tape:
He said, "You know, I had to put up with so much crap from Whitey when I was playing tennis back in the day, it was ridiculous. Real b****** stuff, too. Tennis racquets busted while I was in the shower, no towels, the worst locker, called n***** all the time, even by the help." He looked over at Osgood. "I'm telling you, Clarence, if I get elected president, I'm gonna act the way I'm supposed to act in front of the camera. Smile and dance like a good black man, do what I'm expected to do like a good boy. But behind the scenes, I'll f*** Whitey, and I'll f*** him good, I really will."
If this was the basis for the rumor, Obama was forced to respond not just to a rumor, but to one that was consciously based on a published work of fiction. Welcome to General Election 2008, everyone!
here's a link to further show how fcukin stupid they are...
Posted by anthony at June 9, 2008 05:16 AMfreakin link wont work...
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/126883.html
John McCain's first wife speaks up ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
Boy, will this article reasonate for those who understand abuse and those who have been abused ....
Indeed, the old Mercedes that she uses to run errands displays both a disabled badge and a sticker encouraging people to vote for her ex-husband. ‘He’s a good guy,’ she assured us. ‘We are still good friends. He is the best man for president.’
But Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.
‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.
‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’
According to economist David Neumark of the University of California at Irvine, for every 10 percent increase in the minimum wage, employment for high school dropouts and young black adults and teenagers falls by 8.5 percent. In the past 11 months alone, the United States’ minimum wage has increased by more than twice that amount.
In Massachusetts, the Boston Youth Fund will put 3,600 teenagers between 15 and 17 years old to work this summer, but the ratio of applicants to jobs is more than 2-to-1. The state has seen a 33 percent decline in teen employment over the past eight years. It’s no coincidence, then, that in the same time period the state’s minimum wage has soared.
There’s no end to the economic data that confirm these common-sense observations. Research from the University of Georgia, the University of Connecticut and Cornell University indicates that increasing the minimum wage causes four times more job loss for employees without a high school diploma than it does for the general population.
And just in time, another in July...no surprise unemployment numbers have risen...thanks to Democrats and their leadersheep. Let's raise the price of gas some more...protect our world the warming we caused..."come on poor people suck it up"..."what's another 75 cents when we're saving the world for your children." What did our great Speaker of the House promise...lower gas prices...where's the beef?
And the moral of the story is: Black teen dropouts should vote Repub to ensure a lower minimum wage! Doh, they're too young to vote!
Go GOoPers! Fight for low wages/no benefits for employers! That's the ticket for the working class!
Posted by euzoius at June 9, 2008 05:47 AMIndeed, Hope is for losers.
Posted by onar at June 9, 2008 06:04 AMBeware of the Brown Note.
That's the word among some political activists as the Democratic National Convention nears.
As legend has it, the Brown Note is an infrasonic frequency believed to resonate through human body parts and cause a loss of bowel control. Some protesters are convinced that Denver police will amplify such low frequencies to subdue them in August.
"They'll bring out all the technologies they can get their hands on," says activist Ben Yager. "I wouldn't put anything past police in terms of crowd control." From the Denver Post
Sounds paranoid? Another visit to 1968 Chicago? Democrats stifling free speech!
I had heard that the McCain camp spent three weeks staging and writing that green speech in NOLA the night that Obama clinched it.
Heh.
That is what they do when they work really, really hard.
However, Euzious is right.
We have to make sure that the difference is more than 10% and that the turnout is so significant that they cannot steal this one.
I've heard that in 2006 the gains would have been much larger if not for the election theft.
Posted by Anjha at June 9, 2008 06:33 AMThis is why this election will be very close, with McBush likely "winning" as Bush did in 2000---losing the popular vote and winning the electoral college.
Actually that sounds vaguely familiar....
Posted by Sharon at June 9, 2008 06:35 AMAnonny, interesting article. It proves to me that McCain is not a man of integrity, which makes him the perfect GOP candidate.
Carol protected John by not telling him about her accident while he was in prison, and John paid Carol back by not only walking out on her, but immediately started unzipping his pants. If McCain was a Democrat, Rove would be using this information against him. However, of course we won't mention it. Character is an important issue to attack.
Posted by Judith#1 at June 9, 2008 06:39 AM
Pentagon Told Guantanamo Interrogators To Trash
The Pentagon urged interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify about potentially harsh treatment of detainees. The instructions were included in an operations manual shown to prosecutors and suggest the U.S. deliberately thwarted evidence that could help terror suspects defend themselves at trial.
Kuebler, the defense lawyer, said the apparent destruction of evidence prevents him from challenging the reliability of any alleged confessions.
The Pentagon's instructions said that "the mission has legal and political issues that may lead to interrogators being called to testify, keeping the number of documents with interrogation information to a minimum can minimize certain legal issues."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-told-guantanamo_n_105992.html
Posted by Judith#1 at June 9, 2008 07:07 AMWhere's the Obama bump from winning the Democratic nod?
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 07:09 AMI don't buy this for a minute. They were licking their chops to get Obama as a competitor. This is downplaying the narrative, so as to avoid the "inevitability" tag.
Posted by cmugirl at June 9, 2008 07:12 AM"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her" -Susan B Anthony, 1872.
What about Alice Palmer too? No scuples, just groupies
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 07:38 AMWell, at least the trolls here have returned to their Republican positions here and we don't have to guess whether or not they are pretending to be Dems sniping at the candidates in the race. Someone's actually arguing against the minimum wage! Ha!
I saw a clip on TV last night, of McCain going down a set of stairs, with a man holding his arm very tightly. Probably a Secret Service guy, but the first thought I had was, "Jeez, this guy is decrepit." It's unfair, I know, I'm getting decrepit myself, but that's the vibe he's sending out. We won't see him playing basketball.
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at June 9, 2008 07:38 AMMcCain doesn't have a 'detail', he's free to do what he pleases when he wants to. Like to see Barry try that one.
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 07:42 AMSmell the fear.
Is it any surprise that for the first time in months the open thread is not filled with Clinton-Obama anger, but it's filled with the usual conservative trolling?
I think not. Particularly when its obvious that the McCain family values story is a fairly vile one at best.
Posted by idiosynchronic at June 9, 2008 07:47 AM....my but Mush and Petey are so sour today.....maybe Carol McCain will have a tell-all book by Aug 31....John has so many family values...Juan Cole's article from June 8 (scroll down) doesn't show John cares much for women's rights. He'll lose Missouri, Florida and maybe even North Caolina......what a horrible choice...a point well made by the absence any kind of McC endorsement from our resident trolls.
Posted by Goyo at June 9, 2008 07:51 AMBob in Pac, in all fairness, I think McSame suffered some debilitating injuries while in the NVA prison camp.
Posted by T2 at June 9, 2008 08:00 AMJuan Cole's article from June 8 (scroll down) doesn't show John cares much for women's rights.
No, his record on women's and minority rights just sucks, and his off-the-cuff remarks over the years reinforces that. The very idea that a Hillary supporter would vote for McCain -- well, talk about your abuse victim defending the abuser.
Furthermore, it's been pointed out that his language with regard to Obama is disproportionate to the issue at hand. Consider, on the discussion about the GI Bill, how deferential he was to Webb but how condescending he was to Obama, although Obama and Webb shared the same positions and Obama's comments about McCain were more civil than Webb's. It may have just been a campaign tactic his team dreamt up (given McCain's speech on Tuesday, we can believe his team might be that stupid), however, another explanation is that McCain really has trouble accepting such comments from a black opponent.
Posted by Anonny at June 9, 2008 08:22 AMThanks T2, next someones going to take issue with his teeth.
Goyo, we do know that the Rev. Wright is penning a book to be out in October. He wants his 15 minutes back.
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 08:46 AM"No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her" -Susan B Anthony, 1872.
peter, that's why women should vote for republi-cons. There is a place for women in the republi-con party. Who the hell else is going to serve the coffee and tidy-up the place afterwards?
Plus, Obama is promising everything to everybody. Pretty sweet.
Hmmm. I seem to remember a 2000 promise to avoid new military entanglements and nation building. Who was that? He has weaselly eyes, is a drug abusing alcoholic, and has clandestine gay affairs. Who could it be?
You wanna fail at war? You got it!
You wanna hate people who aren't old and white? You got it!
You wanna have $1.1 trillion in corporate welfare and a $1.2 trillion military budget and bitch about the $29 billion "welfare" budget? You got it!
Posted by phidipides at June 9, 2008 08:53 AMHey Phidy-cent, that's change you can count on now isn't it. You know a different type of politician...
Anyway...we're not 'failing' at war.
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 09:03 AMAnyway...we're not 'failing' at war.
By what measure?
When you compare the current results to the expectations given at the time by war supporters, the Iraqi venture has been a disaster of historical proportion. In terms of cost in dollars, cost in loss of life, stability in the middle east -- by any honest measure it's been a major failure. Not to mention the fact that all the pre-war justifications were based on lies. It's ugly.
Of course, if you measure the Iraqi occupation by the REAL purpose of it -- to establish a long-term "police station" in the middle east to a) secure Iraqi oil supplies with permanent American bases, b) provide support for US hegemony over the other carbon deposits through the "arc of instability" (Google that term to find the origin), and c) to make Israel's right wing hardliners feel more secure with all those American troops nearby -- well, by THOSE measures the occupation has been a success. And the 100k American working class families harmed or devastated by the occupation, and the 1 million or so Arabs killed by the war -- well, those are just a small price to pay for the mission, right Peter?
Posted by Anonny at June 9, 2008 09:18 AMAnyway...we're not 'failing' at war.
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 09:03 AM
petey forgot that we started our "Run to Democracy" 63 months ago.....that's my kind-o-success....only 95 years to go according to McC.
We sure hope you hang around til November 5th petey!!
Anyway...we're not 'failing' at war.
Mission Accomplished!
Posted by phidipides at June 9, 2008 09:37 AMPeter: Why the hell did you have to bring up McCain's rotten teeth?
I was going to have brunch at a local resort, and now I feel nauseous.
Posted by TIKI AL at June 9, 2008 10:50 AMBrunch at the Four Seasons is held only on Sundays, so Scotsdale is out. Anything to help...
Goyo, I was here after the last November vote in 2006, warning the many here about thinking that the 110th Congress wouldn't be able to do as the many here thought. Was belittled then...then I got to read how awful the majorities accomplishments were. Continued funding of both wars, the FISA bill amendments...I hear they're about to vote on a reformed FISA bill any day now. I'll be here, again that Wednesday morning, God and Steve permitting.
Posted by peter at June 9, 2008 12:34 PMI'm a Clinton supporter who's now expecting to vote for Obama, but I think you're all delusional if you expect McCain to be easy to defeat.
Also, people making fun of McCain because he's old and was a POW makes me sick. I wish there was a place on the ballot box to check "voting for Obama, but disgusted by some of my fellow Democrat's attacks on John McCain".
Posted by LetTheGamesBegin at June 9, 2008 12:51 PMI wish there was a place on the ballot box to check "voting for Obama, but disgusted by some of my fellow Democrat's attacks on John McCain".
You want disgusting? Go over to LGF or FR and see what they are saying about Clinton and Obama.
Posted by Anonny at June 9, 2008 01:44 PMpants pissing peter: "inept Obama/Carter military policies"
inept? pretty damn funny coming from the guy who licks Bush's boots
Posted by gay veteran at June 9, 2008 04:42 PMpants pissing peter: we're not 'failing' at war.
WE? you posting from Iraq? no? then STFU
Posted by gay veteran at June 9, 2008 04:47 PM"Also, people making fun of McCain because he's old and was a POW makes me sick."
LetTheGamesBegin, did you feel the same when the GOP made a mockery out of the Purple Heart than John Kerry received as a war hero?
Posted by Judith#1 at June 9, 2008 06:09 PMI dont think making cracks about the guy's age is effective unless the medai boiz are on board. You know, those fat millionaires who like to pretend they are "just folk".
Posted by the young Judith at June 10, 2008 11:04 AM