the change isn't real, but mccain as bush iii is. he's lost precious time, but the race doesn't really begin until after the conventions. the next month will likely define and determine the election.
also just wanted to say- with so many of us slacking, you've been in superb form!
Posted by Turkana at August 20, 2008 04:10 PMYay for Jeff! Hey, did you see the video at digby's where McCain agrees that we need a draft?
McCain needs your kids to fight his 100 years of war!
Posted by iamcoyote at August 20, 2008 04:20 PM"Give the fly-over masses a reason" ..well Jeff, the reason is the (R) after McCain's name. There is little question, pretty much across the board, that McCain will extend the Bush Years. And America hates the Bush Years. Despite all the handwringing this week, Obama will go into the Convention with a lead in the vast majority of polls. He will go into the Convention with a large group of Hillary fans still on the sidelines. They may stay there, I don't know. He'll go with a large group of Americans still wanting to see what he stands for. And he'll go with at least 25% of Americans sworn that he'll never represent them. If American decides to be ruled by that 25%, then we'll get 4-8 more years of Bush or worse. If the 75% who are damn fed up go and vote...we'll get Obama. The only question is whether the Media will tell us he won.
Posted by T2 at August 20, 2008 04:24 PMSince Virginia has become competitive, I actually get to see some ads here in the DC suburbs of Maryland. I caught part of an Obama ad attacking McCain on the economy. I can't tell how good it was since I only saw the end of it, but I'll be looking for more like it.
How about ads showing Pat Buchanan saying McCain will make Bush look like Ghandi and George Will saying that cutting pork (McCain's plan for finding some money) is "a rounding error" (not that most Americans will understand what that means).
Saw some of McCain's town hall meeting. He had to read from notes to say that he wasn't attacking Obama's patriotism he was attacking (big applause line--must read notes to get it right) his judgment. Sheesh. I think they put some darker makeup on him so he wouldn't look like the undead. I know McCain stays out of the sun, so it couldn't have been a tan.
Posted by CG at August 20, 2008 04:33 PM. . come out of it with a 20 point lead . .
*spittakes* Yeah, right. I want to defeat Grandpa GOP as much as the next blog reader, but ain't no way that's gonna happen. At best, we can only hope for a 5 point lead out of the convention, especially if we go in trailing 3-5.
Posted by idiosynchronic at August 20, 2008 05:00 PMMcCain has to read pretty much all his speeches, talks, etc. His ad- libing isn't good because he doesn't have much of a grasp of the issues and he is not a fast thinker along those lines. Sorta like George Bush. He's really good busting out a curse word or dress-down of a junior campaign worker, though. Just watch McCain at his town halls and other appearances, he's never far from a script. I'm sure Rove has his magic box on order,and soon we'll see the tell-tale square in the back of his jacket.
Posted by T2 at August 20, 2008 05:15 PM"His ad-libing isn't good because he doesn't have much of a grasp of the issues and he is not a fast thinker along those lines."
That is why Senator Obama looked so good at Saddleback Church and Senator McCain looked so bad.
Posted by Bagley at August 20, 2008 05:27 PMA very good Obama video produced by the BBC
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1184614595?bctid=1738780784
Posted by Bagley at August 20, 2008 05:47 PMbagtroll...McLiar knew the questions in advance. Obama didn't. It always easy when you cheat...the GOP mantra.
Posted by T2 at August 20, 2008 05:49 PM"McLiar knew the questions in advance."
I was waiting for the first posting referencing this fallacy.
Hah!
Posted by Bagley at August 20, 2008 06:06 PMOk, lets go down that line of thought T2. You just said he "knew the questions in advance." But then only three comments earlier you stated "has to read pretty much all his speeches, talks, etc. His ad-libbing isn't good because he doesn't have much of a grasp of the issues and he is not a fast thinker along those lines." You don't see a problem with those two views? "He knew the questions AND had the answers ready to go." Where's the paper to read from? "His ad-libbing isn't good." His performance was quite better than the young one. His "grasp" was better than the young one. Isn't he old and feeble, ready to blow over? Sure didn't look like that on Saturday night. The young ones performance was the one lacking.
Posted by peter at August 20, 2008 06:09 PM*sigh* The polls are phony so that Boobus Americanas will passively accept another 51/49 Diebold result.
getaclue peeps.
The fix is IN
Posted by getaclue at August 20, 2008 06:16 PMWonder how long the likes of Bag-O-Shit will be around after the election....now bag-fuck, you don't really like this pasty looking old liar, do you?
Posted by Goyo at August 20, 2008 06:39 PM"Wonder how long the likes of Bag-O-Shit will be around after the election....now bag-fuck, you don't really like this pasty looking old liar, do you?"
"Bag-O-Shit?"
"bag-fuck?"
I take it, Goyo, that your post references me: Bagley?
How polite you are. How succinct and thoughtful your arguments are. What mastery of the issues. What gravitas. What cogent thoughts.
More please. (Your posts simply prove your mendacity.)
P.S. The sound you hear is Goyo leafing through a dictionary and muttering aloud his (her?) profound dis-belief that there could be so many words in the English language.
Posted by Bagley at August 20, 2008 06:50 PMNice poll you cite for "polls" there, Jeffy boy. How about the other polls that show Obama with a lead? Why do you ignore those? Not fit your meme? His EVs increased over the 4-days since Sunday, too. That not fit your meme either? Google isn't all that difficult, budly. You should try it. I can help with boolean operators, if need be.
Posted by phidipides at August 20, 2008 06:51 PMI don't know what you're worried about. Obama is going to win this one by a country mile!
a. He's against new oil drilling.
b. He's against nuclear power.
c. He's for raising your taxes.
d. When America faces a crisis, he'll turn to his Grandma for advice.
Slam dunk winning positions! It won't even be close! I bet you can say "Electoral landslide" before I can say "Grammy says we should just give Putin some warm cookies, and everything will be all right!"
Posted by Muck at August 20, 2008 07:14 PMI'm Obama's advisor! I'd be his #1 advisor if it wasn't for that good-for-nothing wife of his. A man and his hormones. His grandfather was just the same, never thinking with his brain. Next time Barack comes over for supper, I'm going to tell him that he has to stand up for himself and be a man. Can't take nothing from nobody. And I'm going to make him a batch of his favorite cookies.
Posted by Obama's Grammy at August 20, 2008 07:27 PMMaybe because they don't exist Phid. Even the Pro Democrat Hominidviews.com shows the race tightening and they even does the 100,000 simulated elections. RCP and Hominidviews both indicating the same trend. Obama's losing the hearts and minds of the voters.
And Jeff here wants ANY Democrat to win. He's not particular, he hails from the Chicago area too.
Posted by peter at August 20, 2008 07:32 PM"Electoral landslide"
Electoral landslide. An embarrassing electoral landslide.
Hominidviews.com shows the race tightening
2.5/1 as opposed to 2.75/1. Ooooooohhhhh! As my next door neighbor's twin 5 year-old grandboys say about robots, "Scair-wee!"
And you look at the polls across the board, Obama still leads. He leads in EVs, he leads in the polls. McCain, for all the crap he flung and Obama not campaigning for two weeks, can't pull ahead. Amazing, huh? "Scair-wee", if you ask me. You guys should have fielded a real candidate this time around. Someone like Fole...no, Santoru...no, Macaca Alle...no...Lieberman! You guys should have run Lieberman. You are going to get him for VP. But you should have run him.
Posted by phidipides at August 20, 2008 08:07 PMYou know, Obama is going to win this thing on the ground, not in the media, which is why you shouldn't pay attention to ANYTHING the media is reporting.
Another thing, do you notice how the trolls are lumping Chairman Dean in with Nancy Pelosi? They're trying to undermine the Party by linking it to the timidity and lack of vision of the politicians like Pelosi and Reid. Don't buy it, Howard Dean is not the problem. Corporations, cowards, and gopper thugs are the problem.
I don't know why so many Democrats and Liberals and Progressives have such a hard time keeping their eyes on the ball. Look, people, nothing you say or write is going to change what Sen. Obama does, so instead of bitching about our candidate, why don't you just work on getting him elected? Whatever that might be.
You all know what I think of some trolls, pretty much all of them really, back stabbing cowards intent on causing us harm, so they can have their stupid polls and their stupid ideas and their stupid candidates, their gutless, fat, chicken shit experts, and all the rest. They aren't Americans, they're traitors to the founding principles of our country, our Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, Tom Paine, Madison and Jefferson and Adams even Hamilton, and I spit on all of the trolls.
Posted by Duckman GR at August 20, 2008 08:36 PMAs Toby Kieth says:
...I think he's the best Democratic candidate we've had since Bill Clinton. And that's coming from a Democrat."
Posted by phidipides at August 20, 2008 08:45 PMTurkana,
I think the McCain as Bush attack is a real loser.
Sorry, but McCain just seems totally different from Bush on a superficial level---which is what counts most.
If you go deeper, his maverick reputation is still quite strong, regardless of whether its merited.
Face it: Obama is an incredibly weak candidate, while McCain is much, much better than W.
Phid,
You are completely nuts.
This race is going South much faster than any race in memory; not counting Mondale, who had no chance.
Perhap
Anon, come up with a name, just so we know who we're going to ignore.
In fact, he's a pandering old tool, he's a maverick only because the media portrays him that way, and that load I dropped in the toilet this morning was way better than bush too.
Just another troll talking out its ass.
Posted by Duckman GR at August 20, 2008 10:16 PMI just saw this poll at Kos that says 77% think mccain is just another bush. Yeah, that mccain is just another bush attack will really suck.
Dick.
Posted by Duckman GR at August 20, 2008 10:30 PMPhid, You are completely nuts.
Yes, and you, Madam, are ugly. But tomorrow, I shall be sane.
If you go deeper, his maverick reputation is still quite strong,...
ROFLMAO!!!
His "maverick" reputation went the way of the Dodo bird. Extinct. He never met a republi-con bad idea he wouldn't adopt and blow like Foley doing a 16 year-old Page.
Posted by phidipides at August 20, 2008 11:02 PMNewsflash, Phid: voters don't think the way you do.
Either you have an objective view of the process, or not. YOU think McCain's maverick reputation is long gone, but so what? It's not.
m12's (predictible) wingnut call for Obama's assassination should be deleted, and he should be banned from TLC.
Posted by euzoius at August 21, 2008 05:18 AMAmerica's grossly overrated intellect and finer principles.
As demonstrated in this thread.
now bag-fuck,
If you go deeper, his maverick reputation is still quite strong,...
Posted by MaskedVigilante at August 21, 2008 05:25 AMOBAMA NATION???? Corsi and you great together! The Left Coaster a right wing nut blog.emmm offically.
Disgusting, so much for our dead soldiers, womans rights health care, oil companies the constitution,
somebody took the red lollipop bawwww wah
dumbMuck: "c. He's for raising your taxes."
if by "your" you mean millionaires
Posted by gay veteran at August 21, 2008 12:03 PMGay veteran,
Do you or anyone else have any idea what Obama's position on abolishing the Alternative Minimum Tax is?
I really haven't seen him address that at all, but it would sure draw in a lot of upper middle classers.
Anyone know?
Posted by Mary at August 21, 2008 03:42 PMActually, phid, the latest RCP electoral map, with no toss-ups shows the following:
Obama 264
McCain 274
Them's the facts.
Posted by Mary at August 21, 2008 06:11 PMObama can't attack McCain on policies-that wouldn't be post-partisan, and anyway, Obama doesn't have policies. So he is going to attack McCain on the real issues-like how many houses his wife owns. And hope no one brings up the name Rezko.
Posted by tdraicer at August 22, 2008 11:55 AM