Just one question, eri - What do you think about the statements and actions of former President Bill Clinton?

Idio,

Bill Clinton is not on the ticket. Even if he was inclined to be lukewarm, putting HRC on the ticket would have made it impossible for Bill to remain lukewarm.

Plus, I fully expect Bill will deliver a great speech tomorrow as well.

Idio -
What do you think of the statements and actions Obama and his campaign have made about the Clinton presidency?

I think Bill has earned whatever pique he might feel, and for the record, I, too, think he will give a fantastic speech tomorrow and prove -- yet again -- that he is a better person and politician than the Clinton-hating media give him credit for.

Ahh, we can certainly look no further than here with Eriposte and TLC to smell that sweet, sweet aroma of Unity.

She has now done far, far more than she needed to do for her former opponent

A strange opinion that appears not to be shared by Hillary herself. An even stranger opinion considering she is, in fact, a Democrat, and has a duty just like the rest of the Democratic Senators and Congressmen to campaign and support their party nominee. I would venture to guess that only the remaining few who continue to cling so tightly to what they will forever believe is her rightful throne will purport such lines as this above.

While I agree that the media blowhards have had a field day trumping up the ridiculous line of the Clintons trying to get in the way of Obama and the Democrats winning the POTUS election, call me blind but I simply don't see it nearly as often as you're attempting to portray in the pro-Obama blogs like DKos. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's a diary or two out there, but the storyline tonight is that of unity and wanting to tell the media to kindly STFU as you are also asking (currently on the rec list there):

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/26/23015/0166/603/576046

Hillary was unequivocal in her support tonight of both the party and our party's nominee. I'm curious if you actually listened to what she said, because despite your apparent outrage and hurt for her failure to win the nomination or be selected for VP, she was crystal clear where she stood and where she wanted her supporters to stand.

I guess I should just be happy that the large Democratic self-identification edge this year might just save us from the loserdom that infects the Dem party leadership and I should therefore keep my trap shut.

God forbid a small teensie fraction of that "edge" might actually be attributed to Obama himself. But we certainly don't want to do him any favors, do we Eriposte?

Hillary Clinton is a class act.

Indeed she is. Learn from her, please. Stop stirring up the BS, move the hell on as she has clearly done and help her with her most simple message:

I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people. And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership. No way. No how. No McCain.

And:

I'm here tonight as a proud mother, as a proud Democrat, as a proud Senator from the state of New York, as a proud American, and as a proud supporter of Barack Obama.

I've been telling myself to stay out of blogging for a while but I decided I had to finally say this.

Well I hope you feel better about yourself now. Your message and insinuations are unfortunate as always (at least lately), but I'm glad you got it off your chest.

Now can you at least try to show a bit of support like your former candidate has and demonstrate your support for our party and our nominee?

Yes, I know, Eriposte, you'll quip about how you've shown support for Obama somewhere in the past, rather reluctantly and gritting your teeth, I'm sure. But this post was anything but helpful to your former candidate and the party she represents.

I guess I should just be happy that the large Democratic self-identification edge this year might just save us from the loserdom that infects the Dem party leadership and many self-identified liberal bloggers who are also happy to say they are smarter and more observant than everyone use and if we can't recognize that we're probably bigots.

FTFY.

Dan, you can suffer in silence. I didn't write the blog piece resolutely defending Senator Clinton and criticizing what is arguably an unfair media portrayal and the portion of the party that was in opposition to Sen. Clinton.

With Soto's previous entry, skipping Bill Clinton's characterized actions is a blind spot, even if it is annoying to answer it.

I liked the "twin cites" line. And I agree, she has gone far and above what any other "come in second" candidate. I'm just wondering, where was the praise, any contrition over things said in the primaries? She presented a case of Obama or the Republicans, "we need to choose Obama." She gave a fantastic talking to tonight. She delivered well, cut some of that 'red meat' missing from Monday night.

Montana's governor seem quite good at cutting the 'red meat' too.

Eri, please come back. I realize the hassles of the primary season took a toll on you. You put up a valiant fight, a worthy fight and took a lot of abuse for it. You've had some good time away. But, please come back, TLC is not the same place without you.

Come what may in November, the Democratic Party will get the president they deserve. And I say that as a recovering Democrat and with no satisfaction whatsoever.

You touched my heart with this one, eri. I think Hillary would have to open a vein to do more for this party, and even then they'd just complain that she bled all over the floor.

Don't go away. Lurkers like me need voices like yours to temper the hype and the hypnotized.

Keep posting! Great post!

I don't want to hear another word from anyone trying to insinuate that she is trying to derail Sen. Obama's campaign. Not. One. More. Word.

From what I saw eRiposte, it was the media trying to hype the Obama/Clinton drama.

Will we ever hear a congratulations to Sen. Obama and some anti-McPOW screeds. Just wondering.

Will we ever hear a congratulations to Sen. Obama and some anti-McPOW screeds. Just wondering.

Posted by Seven of Six at August 26, 2008 10:50 PM

Sure hope so SoS....unbelievable these people won't take one for the team...Hillary did it with slendor...frittering away the opportunity of a lifetime fighting over shit that's over.

She did a reasonably good job about talking about herself and her policy wishes rather than the fundamental problems with Barack's character.

Hillary gave a great speech, just like I knew she would. Period. She didn't do what she had to do, or needed to do, she did what she does. No surprise from me.

There is no negative to what happened tonight, unless you make it that way. Frankly, eriposte, your post is pretty irresponsible. Did you not listen to what she said? Don't you understand, what was her comment, are you voting because of me, or the single mom with cancer and 2 adopted children and no healthcare insurance?

Well, are you?

Like SoS says, most of this crap is from the media. They create, and twist, and lie, and overexpose and underexpose, and for one purpose, to keep the money flowing, to keep the inspectors away, to shut out real competition, to keep the electorate uninformed and stirred up. They used to call them the Yellow Press, they haven't changed much, except to become all pervasive.

Get over your anger and your obsession please. Like I keep saying, Barack Obama isn't going to fix things overnight and by himself. The only way we fix the nightmare that Rover and Grover and the Corporations and their goons and Cheney and Bush and their deadly idiocy and incompetence have given us is with Barack and all the people he brings with him, his Cabinet and new judges and new agency heads and stronger majorities in Congress and more Governors and so on.

John POW McCain isn't in that group.

I don't think Obama, or anyone now, can relegate Clinton. She's a huge force and the best Senator New York has had that I can remember. She is a power center in her own right. Whatever her future for higher office, she is now, and will be for as long as she chooses, one of the central figures in our politics.

Thanks for this post. The level of blogosphere vitriol leveled at both Senators Clinton and Obama during the primaries drove me away from several (well known but shall remain nameless) blogs.

I returned to two of them tonight reading through one comment thread of 630 posts that spent inordinate amounts of time on wardrobe choice and unseemly numbers of comments about the alleged "me me me" of Clinton's speech. Based on the published text of Clinton's remarks, she used the word "I" 15 times, the word "my" 14 times times and the words "Barak Obama" 11 times.

At the other blog, 25 comments, overwhelmingly favorable to the Senator's speech made me feel better. But the blogger was not so impressed.

I have no idea what more anyone could ask, nor expect of Senator Clinton than what she has done since conceding Obama the nomination and pledging him her full support way back when. This speech has set an incredible standard for future runners up in the primaries.

Will we ever hear a congratulations to Sen. Obama and some anti-McPOW screeds.

I was wondering the same thing. I guess for some people, it will never be over.

The only people I've heard say anything about Clinton derailing Obama's campaign are right-wingers and cable news airheads (who were all, all wrong, again, in their predictions as to what Clinton would say in her speech) and the alleged Clinton supporters to whom they constantly make reference.

I saw a woman interviewed on MSNBC who said that she might have to think about voting for McCain because she wasn't sure she would be properly "respected," whatever the hell that means. (I wonder how long they had to search to find her.)

What is this need for "respect" she speaks of? It is a wound that will not heal. It is about ego and not about being a member of a large group that works for group goals. That, eriposte, is a disease that has infected the Democratic Party for as long as I can remember.

Hillary Clinton apparently supports Obama without reservation. So what is holding the rest of you back?

Look, I've been there, more than I would like to admit. Most recently, I was a Deaniac who went to Iowa and AZ for Dean. Then to Nevada for Kerry.

Like Clinton said, you have to ask yourself why you got involved in this.

I "got involved in this" because I believe in the fundamental principles of the Democratic Party.

Obama is not a Democrat. He refuses to stand up for the things I believe in, as a Democrat.

His craven support of the unconstitutional FISA bill was the last of many last straws.

I would never ever vote for McCain. But Obama has done nothing to earn my vote.

So nice to come here and read this because I thought her speech was fantastic--gave me chills at one point. But the commentary afterward, on PBS and FOX (the only cable news station I get) was that she didn't take back her criticism that he's not ready to be CIC, that she didn't specifically say he's "ready to lead", that he's ready for the 3am call, etc. What the fuck was she supposed to say? "well, you know, I said some things during the primary, and that's what happens during primaries, but that didn't mean anything." I don't think so. I think her speech was great (I thought Bill was adorable, watching her all proud and thinking all her jokes were the most hilarious thing he'd ever heard) and I think the part that will most likely get her supporters on board was the guilt trip she laid on them saying were you in this only for me, or were you in this for the people I'm fighting for. That was great. The no way, no how, no mccain line was great, as was the twin cities joke. The whole thing was great. The only problem I can see is that this speech will remind her supporters how much the love her and might open up all over again the disappointment that she's not the nominee. It did that a little for me, but it's ok--it was worth it to hear her.

Bill Clinton didn't do anything out of line.
Synchronized idiot is just trying to stir up trouble

This post simply confirms the evidence that eriposte is hateful towards the Democratic nomineee beyond reason. Clinton herself knows the stakes and is doing what needs to be done. She deserves better than supporters performing an extended tantrum.

Wow!!

She had the stage, and the audience, for the first time, had ALL democrats represented, she made HER case for a better America, emphasizing what SHE stands for, what SHE ran for. And then said that if this is what you truly want, then you need to elect a democrat to get it, and since there is only one on the ticket, Obama, you should vote for him…., and hold him to these standards.

Joe and Michelle had to sit there and witness first hand her popularity, no wonder it was hard for them to smile ;-)

Hillary showed she is magnanimous, and that you can’t take anything away from her by this charade of a nomination process, she raised above that, she showed she is bigger than the DNC (committee), that she is the quintessential democrat, that you should never simply follow the DNC, but rather shout within the party, for YOUR values.

The only problem with being so good, is that she makes the ticket look small and second best.

Many folks who voted the other way may be realizing they made a mistake now, too late, as the Lady said, keep going.

The press loved her, even KO, now she’s all set for whatever she wants to do, and if that is to run again, she has my vote ;-)

Jeebus...everytime I come to a thread like this there's always a criticism that people who supported Clinton just aren't grateful or nice enough toward Senator Obama...knock it off. I don't need to hear how either Clinton (or Big Dog) isn't gracious or helpful enough toward Senator Obama (perpetuating the media narrative when you do that in such accusatory tones)...just stop it please... And for all those who continue to bash Clinton (including the media) for not doing or saying this or that in her speech...does anyone for a minute actually believe that her speech wasn't fully vetted/approved by Obama's campaign?... because if you do I've got a bridge to sell you...sigh...

I should know better than to read the threads here... especially an eRi thread....Hillary's shown more class and been gracious in her defeat than most of you avid Obama supporters who for some reason still don't understand the concept and importance of being gracious in victory...not only toward the Clinton's themselves...but toward her former supporters.

And for those continuing to bash people who just aren't fully enthralled and enthusiastic for this Obama/Biden ticket...it doesn't mean they won't frikkin vote (as many here have said including eRi) for the ticket...because as Senator Clinton said. No way. No How. No McCain!

eRi...thanks for the post...please keep it up...despite what the constant naysayers here want....because obviously (as this thread indicates once again) nothing you do or say besides pure adulation or writing posts that they feel they should vet and approve of before hand is ever going to be good enough for many of those here....so knowing and accepting those conditions up front shouldn't stop you from doing so.

Good luck everyone.

btw..McSame sux!

"The only problem with being so good, is that she makes the ticket look small and second best.

Many folks who voted the other way may be realizing they made a mistake now, too late, as the Lady said, keep going.

The press loved her, even KO, now she’s all set for whatever she wants to do, and if that is to run again, she has my vote ;-)"

I agree Joe, she set a high bar for Obama to beat. Seems Obama is going to let the crowd help him do so. Maybe that's the plan all along. Why he wanted to move the speech outdoors. He knew he was going to need help after the Clintons finished speaking and 75,000 voices surely can't hurt.

The word count;

'I' 17 times
'my' 14 times
'Barack Obama' 11 times, ten times more than Kennedy in 1980 and 11 times more than Reagan in 1976.

Thank you, eriposte, for this post, and for your previous work. I would have been thrilled to have Hillary as VP; who's to say it wasn't offered and she turned it down? I think she'll make a fine majority leader, fookin' Reid has to go. Or better yet, on the SCOTUS. I'm with Hillary, the Dems need to win, and as flawed as the ticket is, I'm in it for the single mother and the economy and the troops, and yes, for my own job, that gets more precarious each day.

emal, I hope we see you here when you can, you've been a respected voice for years, and we agree on what needs to be done, I think.

Thanks again, eriposte for make the case for Hillary...something not to be found in the MSM. As for the Obama supporters who continue to diss the Hillary supporters, I have one question for them? Do you really think Obama can win this election without Hillary's 18 million voters? While these Obama people continue with their nasty comments about those of us who worked and supported Hillary, they make it easier and easier for us to cast a vote for McCain or simply stay home on election day. After all we just lived throught 8 years of the corrupt Bush. For those Obama supporter who think they are sooooo smart, think again as you follow the lead of the "media pied pipers."

I am waiting to see an eriposte essay that does not rely on egregious, excessive use of boldface, italics and Truly. Strange. Punctuation.

A wonderful speech.

She's a truly immense asset to the Democratic Party. Everyone I know who saw it is fired up about the election now.

Anyone who has not should read the Boehlert piece that eriposte links to. It prettymuch fillets the media and their much loved and totally manufactured "Clinton wants more than she deserves" story line. A story line that many commenters here also seem intent on perpetuating.

Nice piece eriposte. I to would have loved to see Clinton get the VP slot. Knew it wasn't gonna happen. But I understand your anger with the Party bigs.

Don't confuse the press with Obama, or Clinton supporters.

Obama didn't create the narrative the Clinton was trying to steal the election by getting her name in nomination (like every other losing candidate has at past conventions) the media created that story. Yes, it sucks. But don't transfer your frustration to Obama, it's actually what they are trying to get you to do.

Conversely, Clinton didn't create the narrative that Obama was trying to stifle her supporters (despite there being primetime spots for both Clintons), the media created this to boost ratings. Don't blame Clinton delegates for wanting to carry out their mission as delegates, to vote for Hillary after months and months of giving their hearts and souls to her campaign. Yes, it sucks that the media portray this as selfish or anti-unity, but don't blame Clinton and her supporters for this, that's what the media are trying to get you to do.

And finally, just because there are 11 delegates and another handful of protesters at the convention who are media darlings because they are so obsessed with their Hillary crusade that has come to define their life, so that they will even support McCain, which totally nullifies every position they were supposedly standing for, don't think that they, or eriposte for that matter, represent the Clinton base. Hillary Clinton did an historic job last night of defining what the causes are that she believes in, and that she is in politics because of those causes, not the reverse. Like Kennedy in 1980 after being eliminated, it was her finest moment of this campaign I thought.

One of the hardest things in politics is to separate the personalities from the policies, and I say that having fresh wounds of a different flavor as a former Edwards supporter. If you have a core set of beliefs that you are engaged in to advance, then it becomes easier to ride the changing waves of candidates who are carrying the banner at various times, and stay true to your own values and ideals. Without that core, it's a rough ride. I believe that Obama is the best "surf board" available right now to reach the beach, and I'm ready to hang 10.

When you win the nomination, then you can pick your running mate. Personally, I'm sick of all the complaints from Hillary supports. Everyone had an equal vote and Obama won. End of story.

Oh and btw...I agree with snark... Hillary would have been a great vp choice...and personally I think it would have been a wise move politically...that said...I too knew and accepted long ago that it wasn't likely to happen and wasn't surprised or disappointed when it didn't. I like you eRi am mostly angered by the horrid leadership of the party (just what have they done to counter the worst preznit evah)and that they appear so inept and tone deaf toward what should be (should have been?) a bonanza year politically for Dems. Hello 80% wrong track and Dems can't seem to (or maybe want to?) tap into that discontent and anger and provide a compelling forceful and sustained alternative narrative to that of McSame for some reason....at least something better than McSame sux worse.

P.S. If Hillary wanted the VP nomination, she could have had it. But that was a decision she needed to make in March. Instead, she decided to come with the "kitchen sink" and personally criticize the eventual nominee. I would not pick her as a running mate after that either. She made her own bed.

The saddest thing about this entire season was the Democratic party attacking its own. Pelosi crying for the delegates to vote in March, long before the states had finished voting, Air America cutting Hillary to shreds, Keith Obermann, Huffington and Daily Kos joining in.

And the ironic thing is Huffington and Kos voted for Geroge WWWW Bush. They got their new so-called progressive and now they have to try and get middle America to vote for him. Good luck on that one.

Will you finally take your bitter-ass PUMA whining and go away for good now? Fricking cultist.

And, I've gone on the record as being perfectly fine with Hillary as VP. Some of us have moved on from the primary.

And, yes, Joe Biden is as qualified as Hillary Clinton.

No.

He's MORE qualified.

Yes, keep your trap shut. Hillary didn't whine--and neither should you.

Alan,

You seem incapable of distinguishing between individuals other than Hillary Clinton expressing disappointment that she was not not selected as VP and Hillary herself expressing such disappointment. I didn't hear any complaints from her last night. Did you? Did you even listen to her or was that to much to expect from you?

I've noticed that most of the people who've come here to blow smoke about how terrible Hillary is have been unable to bring themselves to thank her for a terrific speech that went a long way towards pumping some life into an otherwise moribund convention.

James Powell, "Hillary Clinton apparently supports Obama without reservation. So what is holding the rest of you back?"

What's holding some of us back you ask? Obama himself is doing that.

Thanks, eriposte. Your honesty is appreciated and don't let anyone shout you down.

The idiots in the media would tone down their nonsense about the Clintons and disunity if the Obama campaign decided they wanted that. Just a few days ago, they stuck the knife in Hillary and humiliated her in public, yet again, by leaking that she was never even vetted for the VP slot, and such. They stuck it to her in that sneaky, campaign leak, way. Next, they twisted the knife by sending out the infamous text message at 3am.

Does this show how much the Obama campaign wants unity?

The media is simply following their lead.

It's up to Obama to set the tone. It's up to him to stop the destructive CDS. He could come out today and counter everything the media and the most rabid supporters are saying today, if he wanted to.

Hillary has done all she can do and it's about time for Obama to step up, to genuinely reach out to the rest of the party, to try on the shoes of humility, and to decide to put the well being of this country above his own ego.

Mount Olympus awaits us Thursday. The Greek gods will look down upon Barry Obama and smile at each other and say we've done well.

Looks like a Greek tragedy unfolding.

George Bush had that lovely convention appearance in 2004. Moving the podium out to be surrounded by his delegates and fans. Nothing really pretentous, a Presidential Seal under his feet. Obama, feeling insecure needs to compensate his insecurity by going outside and feed off those 75,000 voices.

Obama's staff are trying to stifle "14 point approval" Pelosi who pushed her way into the Chair of the convention.

Rasmussen follows Gallup has McCain up 1 point!

Honestly, I was looking for somewhat of a retraction on her previous attacks or some more building up of Obama. "He's not a republican" will work for the party faithful / hard core liberals that Obama already has. Doesn't do much for the 20% of Clinton voters that are looking at McCain or others more to the center. On the other hand, I think the "...Obama had a speach in 2002" McCain commerical with her front and center will speak to these people. We'll see how President Clinton does, I guess.

I love your writing eRiposte.

...it's about time for Obama to step up, to genuinely reach out to the rest of the party, to try on the shoes of humility, and to decide to put the well being of this country above his own ego.

I wouldn't hold my breath. This primary season has shown that being "gracious" is only expected from the so-called "loser". Just look at some of the comments above if you don't agree.

more lecturing from kiddie Obama supporters.
Are you working for McCain now, GeekEsq?
Sure seems like it.
You certainly aren't helping Obama.

eriposte, I think you need to turn off the cable news. I've seen nothing but positive reviews of her speech from Obama supporters, thanking her for her emphatic endorsement, her calls for unity, her grace, and her classy speech.

As for the VP, as others have pointed out she wasn't necessarily even interested. She certainly doesn't need the VP slot to be the front runner in 2016, and she can get alot more done from the Senate. There are real reasons why she would not be a good pick for Obama as well. She is popular among Democrats, but the opposite is true among independents. Her many harsh attacks on Obama also would make it very awkward for her to be the VP. If she wanted the VP as a consolation prize, she wouldn't have thrown the kitchen sink at Obama after it became clear in February that she wouldn't be the nominee.

Capj has his head in the sand. Turn off ALL news would be more like it, huh capj? J Armstrong wrote a nice piece yesterday. Just look at Reagan vs Bush in 1979-80. Contentous sure, graciously placing Bush on as his VP.

If anyone is wondering why the ratfuckers like petr McGoat keep bringing up the division in the Dem party, one only has to look at this thread. And anyone holding their breath expecting Obama to reach out to them, can I have your stuff after you keel over from suffocation? If the spectre of McCain starting another war and killing the US isn't enough, even a personalized, gold-embossed invitation from Obama isn't going to do it. Because, for you, it's not about the kids, the war, or the economy anymore, it's about you and your hurt feelings. Sorry, but it's true.

Try as you might Coyote, I'm not sowing anything here that isn't already here. Our friends here are not looking to me for leadership here. Look up there at Mr. opus and the others lording it over those that support Clinton. Their pride will take them to the fall in November, not me. Democrats are doing this to themselves and have only Democrats to blame.

Eriposte -

always nice to see you and your wise comments.

same with emal.

it is odd how you attract the loons, tho. :-)

And anyone holding their breath expecting Obama to reach out to them, can I have your stuff after you keel over from suffocation

This is funny. You are right, he aint gonna do it. He cant get past his own shit...

Eriposte

with time and the proper medication you may be able to get over your obsessive behavior.
Its not about Hillary it never was, get in touch with yourself with the help of a good doctor and enough time in rehab a full recovery can happen. In the meantime its smart to stop blogging
Sheesh!!!!
By the way Iamacoyote we have found common ground LOL

I'm not sowing anything here that isn't already here.

Yeah, goatblower, that's why you sign your vomitous filth with "puma," a group of racist whiners run by the right wing ratfuck machine and followed by people more caught up in their own damage than anything else. All with a smarmy, proud to be ignorant, shit coating. We have your number, troll; the innocent act just makes you look like more of an asshole, if that's possible. One wonders where you get the time to fuck all those rats between all the blowing of goats.

He cant get past his own shit...

Pot, kettle, "Wahhhhhhh, but what about MEEEEEE!" Yeah, we get it, honey.

Eriposte,

Thanks for the great post. Miss your writings.

Let's face it - nothing will ever satisfy the hate-filled people around here and elsewhere unless Hillary kneels down and kisses the Messianic ass, and then gets whipped or stoned in public.

Something snapped in me during this primary when I saw how much hate was being directed her way. And continues to be. I guess, despite their supposed values, democrats do not escape the worst human tendencies towards vileness. They swarmed like maggots and piled on.

She gave a great speech. Biden will have a tough act to follow.

"and I should therefore keep my trap shut."

Smartest thing you've said in a long time.

"She has now done far, far more than she needed to do for her former opponent"

Nothing left but to sit back and watch the Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory....

Look at this thread Coyote. PUMA's all over the place. Obama Democrats versus Clinton Democrats maybe even Edwards Democrats, this party is happening without my having to push too hard. No, you can't blame this one on me. Well sure you can, but what do you afterwards...more Dem on Dem spirital violence. Shame racism has reared its ugly head WITHIN the Democratic Party. It really is. Newsflash, it was always there, Obama just brought out the "best" in people.

Barack Obama is simply not qualified to be President of the United States.

captainkona - please do show us all how it is done. Starting now would be great!

It's not racist to say Barack Obama is unqualified. Now the rampant sexism that's always been there in the Dem party is more overt than ever, hence many former loyal Dems disgust.

Oh, let me add: WAAAAAAAHHH, I want the Democratic party that used to tout "count every vote" back....of course they never screamed about Diebold etc. I should have known they were as crooked at the pukes. I know now.

crooked as, that is

Hahhaa, I saw this in another (unnamed) blogs comment section (all of the following):

I keep hearing anti-Obama people - especially women - described as having "hurt feelings". It has annoyed me from the first time I heard it because it implies that Obama has the POWER to hurt your feelings rather than you having the ability to feel righteous anger . "Hurt feelings" doesn’t just imply that what you are feeling is of no consequence, but makes it a petty emotion not to be taken seriously.

Never would "hurt feelings" be used against a man; it is strictly a sexist statement to show the second class status of women. I can almost hear the accompanying, "There, there now... I’ll buy you some flowers and you’ll feel all better."

Never would "hurt feelings" be used against a man;

Good try, but nope.

Alan posted that everyone had an equal vote and Obama won.

If that were true, we might be on board. Or I guess it depends on your definition of equal. She took Texas by over 100,000 and walked away with a goose egg.

The "you're so emotional" insult cuts both ways, huh? Sure.

Ah....everything changes , and nothing changes.

I see that Geek and Coyote are still spreading that "Unity" thing, bitchy skanks that they are.

Thank you , eriposte. Clinton was marvelous last night, lifting the entire crowd...including Obama supporters....to a roaring standing ovation, which she deserved. A marvelous, marvelous night.

We KNEW she would.

Imagine this woman as the Senate Majority Leader.....leading and speaking as she did last night.

She'd get shit DONE. :)

I'm all for Unity, but when people start spreading pure, unadulterate falsehoods such as Eriposte's description of Biden as less 'qualified' than someone who was serving in the Senate when she was a junior staff attorney in an obscure non-profit. Or the description of Joe Biden as 'post-partisan' and 'boring.'

Please. You'll see how post-partisan and boring Biden is tonight.

Er, make that "less qualified when he was"

I see that Geek and Coyote are still spreading that "Unity" thing, bitchy skanks that they are.

I didn't say anything about unity, I'm laughing at you whiny ass tittie babies who can't get over your hurt feelings. Hillary has washed her hands of you, didn't you get that last night? But I'm glad your worries about sexism only extend to Hillary, though. Nice to have proof that you also believe sexism is ok depending upon who it's aimed at.

Sharon, I'm sorry, but "hurt feelings" denotes children throwing tantrums, which Mary above provides fine examples of here and all over the 'nets. I understand that Melissa at Shakesville (if she's your source) fancies herself the final word on what's sexist or not, and I respect her most of the time, but on this one, she's just trying to rationalize why she's right and everyone else in the world is wrong. And if you really cared about sexism, you'd take Mary to task for her "skank" remark.

Speaking of "skanks"... freakin' concern troll Mary usually agrees with the goatblower! Some skanky shit... if you ask me.

And if you really cared about sexism, you'd take Mary to task for her "skank" remark.

Yeah, I thought the "skank" remark was way outta line too.

Never would "hurt feelings" be used against a man; it is strictly a sexist statement to show the second class status of women. I can almost hear the accompanying, "There, there now... I’ll buy you some flowers and you’ll feel all better."

Plus, that's complete bullshit.

"But I'm glad your worries about sexism only extend to Hillary, though. Nice to have proof that you also believe sexism is ok depending upon who it's aimed at."

WTF? Don't bother trying to read MY mind because you're not doing a very good job of it. "Hurt feelings" was not your description of Hillary; I gathered it was people who don't happen to support Barack and the DNC's corruption. But maybe I interpreted your words incorrectly. Far be it for me to read YOUR mind.

Never heard of Melissa at Shakesville. I'll have to look her up.

Sorry, don't know the definition of "skank" but after all the comments here, it must be like "c*nt" and I don't want to look up anything like that. My monitor has seen enough ugliness for one day.

Actually, I visit Shakesville every day, but sometimes finding sexism in every little thing gets to be cloying. Not that it's untrue, but it's a downer.

but sometimes finding sexism in every little thing gets to be cloying. Not that it's untrue, but it's a downer.

YA THINK??? (smirk)

*flings a rock at MV*

Why, I oughta...

I agree with you, Sharon.

Thanks, eriposte. This sort of reaction is one reason why my contribution to the Obama campaign is to write very little about it. I've put up with about as much of this stuff as I can stand and still vote for Obama. Especially when I thought I'd already had it up to here before getting a load of some of these snide, snotty reactions to her speech, or people using what she said to insult the people who supported her.

She really valued the people who supported her and that definitely included her blog base. I know, I heard. She paid attention and she cared more than any of the rubes here are likely ever to believe and if there's a reason not to engage right now, maybe it's to stomach doing what she asked us all to do.

Though I thought the convention last night came off great. They've got the music, at last. Here's crossing my fingers. Here's hoping they get it right.

eriposte, i've momentarily come out of my depression-induced fetal position to read your blog post, and i totally feel you. there are no words to adequately convey the extent of my disgust and despair at our party and this election. time for me to go back to the fetal position now.