"Tuesday Morning Open Thread
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
Posted on Tue Sep 02, 2008 at 06:33:19 AM EST
A personal note --I am not comfortable with writing about this election right now. I am not comfortable with the behavior of some Democrats and Left blogs regarding Sarah Palin. Of course everyone is entitled to their own views on this and I respect that. But I am entitled to mine as well. I am going to take a break and see how I feel next week.
I want to add that I believe the Obama/Biden campaign has handled the Palin matter with considerable decency and political aplomb. I applaud their behavior.
One last thing, I recommend Bob Herbert's column today." From Talkleft
Another goes silent thanks to the many "Obama must be elected" group. Zuzu, the other day said this very same group of folks are doing Karl Rove's work for him. Sure seems so to me. Eriposte here and BTD there, and there are others, pretty much going silent. That's taking one for the cause...
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 03:43 AMSarah Palin may be a lot of things, but you can hardly call her a "stealth" candidate. If she attracts voters to McCain, it certainly won't be because she's hiding her conservatism.
I'm also reminded of one of eriposte's Clinton rules: Hillary is responsible for the nasty behavior of all of her surrogates; Obama never is. It's a rule that I doubt the Republicans will honor.
Posted by cygnus at September 3, 2008 03:52 AMHillary supporters are supposed to forget that the Republicans have spent the last 15 years vilifying her, trying to turn her into the anti-Christ? A few kind words are supposed to make them forget that? Republicans are the dumbest people in the world.
Posted by bob h at September 3, 2008 04:00 AMexplain to me how palin's pick is the ground breaker for women. do we forget geraldine here?
another thing, someone unabashedly far right second in line for the presidency is frightening.
she is against everything hrc stood for, how the hell will she attract her voters?
Posted by anthony at September 3, 2008 04:31 AMAnyone see the speeches last night? I saw part of Bush's (the "dangerous world, 9/11, 9/11" part), but that's all. Didn't see Lieberman. Any comments on them?
Posted by CG at September 3, 2008 05:24 AMWell, I am glad to know that McCain likes to take risk. I believe the terminology is 'fighter pilot mentality.' If there was EVER a time in history to not take a risk, it is now. McCain shows so little concern for world affairs and our position in the world, that he is willing to "risk" putting Palin on the ticket, a person with no experience in foreign affairs, like Biden.
This guy isn't irratic, this guy is nuts.
Mario once again said that she has more experience than Biden and Obama. Yeah, black is white, up is down, and right is wrong.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 05:28 AM"with no experience in foreign affairs, like Biden."
Obviously I meant, "with no experience in foreign affairs, unlike Biden who has vast knowledge in this area."
cg:
liberman bashed obama stated he wasn't ready, but he was a good orator. he also lied about obama's not supporting the troops by voting for funding. he did't mention jonny mac's vote against for the first one, and his not showing up to vote on the second. thompson accused obama of infanticide.
typical repbub bs...
Posted by anthony at September 3, 2008 06:28 AMInternational capital likes weak countries, except for the country that enforces capital's demands. The division of the former Yugoslavia worked to the advantage of the West, primarily Germany. Take a look at a current map of Yugoslavia and compare it to Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe in 1942. Quite similar. The oil companies would have no problem bifurcating Kurdistan from the rest of Iraq as long as it can get those oil contracts.
If Palin is really a Dominionist stealth candidate, it would fit it. It suggests, however, that perhaps international capital is ready to suit up another country to enforce its will and America is ready to be divided and conquered.
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at September 3, 2008 06:32 AMAh, the wingnuts have gotten their new set of talking points I see. It was strange (but refreshing) not to have any of them infesting these comment boards yesterday morning.
Look, I know that the meme-of-the-day for the wingnuts is "those evil left wing bloggers", as though the Republicans haven't been posting and emailing "Obama is a secret Marxist Muslim Anti-Christ and his wife is too" memos constantly since late 2007. (Search on snopes or similar sites to see the sordid details.) But let's look at what the left wing minor bloggers did (they major bloggers, like TPM and DailyKos, didn't touch the issue although some of their diarists did):
1) Part of the Palin myth-making included the story of her heroic trek from Texas to Alaska to give birth to her 5th child. This was *touted* by her supporters as evidence of her toughness.
2) Alaskan locals then posted the rumor that the child wasn't hers, but was her daughter's. As evidence they cited that a) that the labor-trek story was very strange and b) that the daughter had been out of school for 5 (some said 7) months during that exact period of time with "mono", something else that was unusual.
3) Most leftie posts I read pointed out that the labor trek, as reported, with a premature baby known to have down's syndrome, was (if true) a sign of questionable judgment. And pointed out inconsistencies in the story.
I can see why the major sites kept off the story -- it's borderline. We knew that at the time. However, it was never about her daughter but about a) Sarah Palin's judgment and b) Sarah Palin's honesty.
Finally, let us remember that the announcement of the Bristol pregnancy was not necessitated by these rumors, despite the McCain/Palin attempt to blame the left (I know -- shocking that they would blame Democrats for anything). First, the announcment of the Bristol pregnancy did not squash the rumors. Second, there were better ways to squash the rumors. Third, we now know that the Bristol-pregnant story was about to be released by a tabloid anyway, so McCain/Palin pre-announced it to try to contain the damage.
Did some of us on the left go over the line in our discussion of this? Probably some did. Did any of our leaders do so? No.
This PALES in comparison to the stuff about Barak being a Muslim and Michelle being a terrorist that was and still is pervasive on the internets. I'm not justifying it -- I'm saying that the double standard is in full force.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 06:36 AMpeter, are you saying that Obama shouldn't be elected? Because you'd rather have four more years of Republicans? Or have you seen a poll with Nader pulling one this out?
And do you think that there's a conspiracy to silence those who still write three or four blogs about Hillary every week?
Posted by Bob In Pacifica at September 3, 2008 06:38 AM"The ultra-conservative Governor Sarah Palin".
Please, democrats. Use that description on every occasion. When challenged, put the fact that Dobson and company give her a 100% approval rating and have reported themselves as "super energized" by her pick. Point out the political positions that Dobson holds, then quote from Palin's videotaped speech in church about the Iraq War being a "Task from God".
Just say it and say it and say it. The wingnuts call Obama "the most liberal Senator" without a shred of evidence and in contradiction of his record. This is the truth. Ultra-conservative. Don't say "Palin" without this label.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 06:40 AMI, of course, cannot watch the GOP convention due to a weak stomach. I did however, accidentally land on it and saw Joe LIEberman, and earlier Fred Thompson....these guys have the enthusiasm of corpses.
Posted by T2 at September 3, 2008 06:47 AMYea, Mr Excitement reminded me last night that he was one of the main reasons Gore lost.
I'm a bit verklempt that peter had to check back into rehab again.
Posted by TIKI AL at September 3, 2008 07:00 AMI heard some of the speeches on cspan radio and then saw some of Short Ride Joe on live stream (reminder, NOBODY should be giving the MSM fucks ANY eyeballs - use cspan, avoid pundits and commercials!)
Anyway, the crowd was small, almost completely white, and moribund. The contrast to the energy of last week couldn't be more striking.
Posted by Sharkbabe at September 3, 2008 07:10 AMBob, yes, though if he does become president he will be 'our' president too. I read a piece from some Phily.com writer(named Ali __) threatening race riots if Obama isn't elected.
" And do you think that there's a conspiracy to silence those who still write three or four blogs about Hillary every week?"
One by one authors/writers are pulling their work off blogs that were friendly to their point of view. I didn't know of BTD's bias towards either candidate. I know I've read some things that seem to point towards a moderate viewpoint that made it very comfortable to read.
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 07:14 AMInteresting that Lieberliar is and INDEPENDENT, but at the Convention, he is a DEMOCRAT. Hear that Democrats??????????? He just threw poo in your faces and laughed while doing it.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 07:41 AM"those evil left wing bloggers"
Anonny, I believe the correct terminology is "angry liberals," at least that is what the Idiot-in-Chief called us.
If there was ever a struggle of good against evil, this is it.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 07:47 AMAll that remains then is for Harry Ried to take him off all the committees he's on and push him out of the caucus. The problem with that it he's loses his job for a while.
Rasmussen has Clinton versus Palin 52 to 41 right now! Amazing...
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 07:49 AMHow come no one here mentioned the GDP last week? 3.3% in the 2nd quarter!!! Above trend!
Posted by Muck at September 3, 2008 07:49 AMObama is going on O'Reilly.
Posted by Muck at September 3, 2008 07:51 AMHow come no one here mentioned the GDP last week? 3.3% in the 2nd quarter!!! Above trend!
Yes, it was totally unexpected. It is normal during periods of weak dollars for exports to go up, but the extent of the dollar's weakness is so great that we are in uncharted territory. The model may have assumed a linear relationship, when it appears that when the dollar falls by a very large amount that exports start to go up exponentially.
Here in the West we were expecting a weak tourist season due to the economy and gas prices, however it wasn't so bad because the reduction in American tourists was made up for a great increase in European tourists. They are like Americans were in Europe in 1985 -- thrilled with how cheap things are here relative to their home currencies.
So, that's the good news. The bad news is that a currency-fluxation based GDP bump is a one time event, not a fundamental change to the economic equation. The equilibrium adjustment is made quickly in response to price differentials and things go back to normal. This is why economists haven't adjusted forecasts upwards for this quarter's GDP.
Worse, the dollar is now slightly strengthening, which would create a negative drag.
All in all, decent news, but there is a reason economists aren't celebrating the end of economic dolldrums.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 08:02 AMThursday night.
The build up for Palin's appearance is something else. Lots of curiousity about her being generated. If she does well, you can only thank yourselves for the attention rained upon her.
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 08:04 AMThe build up for Palin's appearance is something else. Lots of curiousity about her being generated. If she does well, you can only thank yourselves for the attention rained upon her.
Yup. A lot more interest in her than there is in McCain. Maybe the delegates will put her on top of the ticket since everyone in the Republican party seems to think she's more qualified than McCain anyway?
Posted by snark at September 3, 2008 08:07 AMIf Palin's pick has done anything good for the GOP, it has taken McCain out of the spotlight, always a bonus given his hot temper. There is only one thing to say about the Mc72/Palin ticket - it is pure Right Wing Evangelical Conservative Bush-based Policy, period. In short, they represent the Problem, not the Solution.
Posted by T2 at September 3, 2008 08:24 AMShe's more qualified than the Democratic ticket.
I loved that Obama interview where he contrasted his campaign staff with her's as mayor, completely overlooking her time as governor.
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 08:26 AM3.3% in the 2nd quarter!!! Above trend!
You are either stupid, a moron, a republi-con fucktard, or a liar. I think it's all of the above. The last 3 quarters before Q2 08 were just revised down. Q2 came in at 1.9, Q1 was revised down and Q2 will be revised down in the next report.
In 2001 when you assholes took office the dollar traded at 1.2190, now it trades at .7500. Ray-Gun only devalued the dollar by a third, making everything you own or make worth a third less. You devalued it by 40%, making everything we own or make worth 40% less. Wooo hooo! You win the game of republi-con fiscal mismanagement!
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Blog Related
If I want to read anything from that bullshit blog of Merrit's I will go there and read it. BTD is not my monitor on any issue. When he started banning people for innocuous use of pronouns his idiocy became too much to bear. BTD and people like him are the problem, not the solution.
You people want me to play nice with the moose blower from Wasilla? Too god damned bad! I've just lived 8 years of being called a traitor, being told I don't support the troops, that I am unAmerican and hearing the most vile crap thrown at every candidate out there, including some of your own.
Fuck Palin, fuck her family, and fuck anything or anyone republi-con. You guys worked hard to get it, so choke on it. I can't help it if Palin's daughter is a slut or likes the bone. Most Fundy kids are like that. It feels better to them than the love of jeebus. Amazing, huh?
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 08:27 AMShe's more qualified than the Democratic ticket.
Again, if you listen to Republicans talk she's more qualified than anyone who's never been a governor.
...completely overlooking her time as governor.
And what's here signature accomplishment as Governor of Alaska? Oh, I think Barbara Bachmann was talking about it the otherday. Governor Palin managed to sell the former governor's plane on ebay! That and she managed to prevent the Russinas from invading across the Bering Strait by simply not doing anything with the Alaska National Guard!
Yup. More accomplished than John McCain for sure. I'd run with that one if I were you.
Posted by at September 3, 2008 08:35 AMSarah Palin is a fucking extremist, and a secessionist to boot. And her selection reveals The Mav to be nothing more than the radical right's little bitch.
Fuck the GOP. May the entire rotten party burn in hell.
Posted by The Creator at September 3, 2008 08:48 AMKKKarl Rove. Faze the Nation, August 10th, 2008, talking about Tim Kaine as a possible VP pick:
"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."
"So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'"
Is the moose blower from Wasilla qualified to be VP? According to KKKarl Rove, no.
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 08:52 AMJohn McCain touts his running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, as a force in his battle against earmarks and entrenched power brokers.Posted by iamcoyote at September 3, 2008 09:05 AMBut under her leadership, Alaska has asked the federal government for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects this year. That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress and runs counter to the image the GOP ticket is pushing.
Hey iac. You know what you call it when abstinence only education doesn't work, little girls get pregnant, and Palin cuts funding for homes for pregnant girls to live in?
Compassionate Conservatism!
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 09:23 AMHow do state budgets work? If she's been governor for LESS than 2 years, has she done two budgets or only one? Either way, it's more than Obama, but still, hardly a lot of budget management.
Posted by CG at September 3, 2008 09:23 AMI'm a bit verklempt that peter had to check back into rehab again.
Posted by TIKI AL at September 3, 2008 07:00 AM
MMMMM Tiki...I have not been Verklempt since my karma ran over my dogma!!
Can hardly wait for Sarah's speech tonight....lotsa downside and not much upside for her....no vetting leaves big gaps in the defensive line.
Posted by Goyo at September 3, 2008 09:26 AMwho wants to bet that somehow, someway, the Report on Palin's role in Troopergate will be delayed until after the election. McCain/Rove are already hard at work gumming up the works in Alaska to prevent what could very well be a criminal referral against Palin to come out before the election. If history is an indicator, they will succeed. Maybe someone like Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden can keep this on the front burner?
Posted by T2 at September 3, 2008 09:27 AMPalin and Cheese Gate -or- How to enrich your buddies.
Good god. Is there nothing this woman touches that she doesn't completely screw-up. And the running theme I see is she loves to fire people...
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 09:32 AM"But under her leadership, Alaska has asked the federal government for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects this year. That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress and runs counter to the image the GOP ticket is pushing."
Yeah, she hired a lobbyist:
Palin’s lobbyist was Abramoff’s lobbyst.
Posted by ann at September 3, 2008 09:32 AMOh, according to TPM, the Repubs have already stopped that AK troopergate investigation in its tracks, T2. Palin has been instructed by her (new Repub) lawyer not to testify---the appointed independent investigator has no "lawful authority", doncha know.
Typical Rover Repub concern for good government and offical accountability.
They can stonewall the US Congress, they can certainly stonewall the Alaskans, for christ's sake.
Posted by euzoius at September 3, 2008 09:37 AMwho wants to bet that somehow, someway, the Report on Palin's role in Troopergate will be delayed until after the election. McCain/Rove are already hard at work gumming up the works in Alaska to prevent what could very well be a criminal referral against Palin to come out before the election. If history is an indicator, they will succeed. Maybe someone like Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden can keep this on the front burner?
Posted by T2 at September 3, 2008 09:27 AM
Good point T2 but, like all fundie kook-fucks, Ms Moosehead has enemies that will leak poignant facts about her stewardship.....McShame has eaten bad fruit here and it's going to be tough to get the MSM to back down.....nothing makes sense...the pregnant daughter being trotted out as a beacon of family values....this is a twisted individual and personally I don't think the kook-fuck baptist preachers will be able to spin it well enough for the stepfords to buy in and then vote for the old man, who they hate.......the maverick forgot to put bullets in the chamber.
Posted by Goyo at September 3, 2008 09:43 AMTrooper Gate
Cheese Gate
Lobbyist Gate
Knocked-up Daughter Gate
Wasilla Debt Gate
Bridge Gate
Nice vetting there, John boy. I bet you do a more thorough job of vetting when Mrs. McVicodin needs a new pool boy to ogle.
Oh, according to TPM, the Repubs have already stopped that AK troopergate investigation in its tracks, T2.
The argument that the State AG doesn't have authority will be a no go. The state is willing to issue a subpoena. That would be cool to see splashed in the headlines! As Goyo points out, Palin made some serious enemies in Alaska. Pay back is a bitch.
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 09:48 AMMan oh man. The Republican's are adopting the Goldwater strategy circa 1964. Blame the media for everything, stonewall, don't answer questions.
Of course, this comes naturally to Palin. The main Alaskan papers have been reporting since early this year that her governing style has been secretive and vindictive.
The questions are whether the media gets cowed and whether the public buys it.
I'm guessing not. Hardened Rove disciple Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign was whining today about the media asking for paternity test results. But of course no one in the media has. He then said it was in "off the record" conversations -- hey, shithead, "off the record" is a two way street.
I suspect that the press may have had it with being lied about by the Rove faction.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 09:50 AMMust be a Democratic thing...
The answer is that Covenant House is expanding. The plans are described in the 2009 Alaska capital budget proposal…
State funding will assist Covenant House to relocate, and construct a new Crisis Center for Covenant House in downtown Anchorage.
$22 million is needed to complete the expansion. Covenant House asked the Alaska legislature to provide $10, the legislature answered with $5 million in the 2009 budget. Governor Palin cut the figure back to $3.9 million -- for this year. This likely doesn't stop the expansion; Covenant House will either have to get more from the state in a future year and/or increase the amount from private donations to make it happen. But no existing program that helps teenage mothers or the children of teenage mothers has been affected by this budget decision, and calling a one-time infusion of $3.9 million added by the state on top of normal operating expenses a "cut" only makes sense if you can't do math, if you don't understand the difference between a capital outlay and an operating outlay, or if you hate Republicans.
We're talking about new expenditures being 'reduced' folks.
And for troopergate...
Try this one..
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 09:54 AMImagine someone like Palin had been a Democratic choice for VP. We all know how the Republicans would act. Every scandal we've heard would have already been red-lighted on Drudge, Fox News would be running the embarrassing video and audio tapes 24x7, there would be published speculation that was even worse than what has been found, and the mainstream media would be echoing all of it.
We know that. It's not debatable.
What happens next is a test of the free press in America. Will they be cowed by the Republican Party, and back off, and then assist the Republicans in glossing over her ultra-conservative policy views and her track record of conflict and secretivity while in office?
You know they wouldn't if she were a Democrat.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 09:57 AMWe're talking about new expenditures being 'reduced' folks.
What part of "reduced" is not a cut in funding for pregnant girls?
...if you don't understand the difference between a capital outlay and an operating outlay, or if you hate Republicans.
The latter. You also forgot the part about caring for others and decency towards pregnant girls when the State has massive budget surpluses.
Palin cut funding to pregnant girls. That is the fact.
And in the pleadings you post: The allegations were investigated previously and found not to have a basis in fact. Alaska will subpoena her if they need to.
Palin, meet Eagleton. You two have something in common.
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 10:13 AMYou reduce an expansion of government and thats a cut...ok. It's a new expenditure, not on the books before.
Oh, Alaska doesn't have any state tax on gasoline right now. Palin signed into law August 25th, a one year exemption for the state of all gasoline taxes. Sticking it to big oil and giving back to the people.
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 10:24 AMOh, Alaska doesn't have any state tax on gasoline right now. Palin signed into law August 25th, a one year exemption for the state of all gasoline taxes. Sticking it to big oil and giving back to the people.
Because she raised taxes on oil corporations. Nice conservative values.
You do know that you are celebrating less money going to pregnant girls who have no where else to go? They have no where else to go because they were sluts and their families kicked them out, or their dads are the fathers. Again, conservative values. They are just little sluts. So who gives a damn?
You people are fucking sick. We're about to cure your illness, though, and Gigolo John helped us immensely with the moose blower from Wasilla.
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 10:46 AM"he will be 'our' President too."
He will never be my President, just like Bush isn't my President. Kerry's sticker is still on my back window.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 11:39 AM"You people want me to play nice with the moose blower from Wasilla? Too god damned bad! I've just lived 8 years of being called a traitor, being told I don't support the troops, that I am unAmerican and hearing the most vile crap thrown at every candidate out there, including some of your own."
Phidipides, you just said it ALL for me. Play nice? Tell it to Kerry, Gore, Hillary, Obama, Edwards, Democrats and all the others that you set the cross hairs of your guns of destruction on.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 11:47 AMOh, and tell it to a young girl trying to deal with life and puberty that you called "ugly." Sure didn't reserve your contempt then did you?
Payback is a bitch.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 11:50 AMBut Judith .. when elected Republicans call Democrat's children ugly, or call their wives terrorists, or claim they are traitors and advocate them being lynched ... well those are just JOKES. HA HA. Get it?
But when an anonymous person on an obscure liberal web site says something bad about a Republican child, that is proof all Democrats are evil.
Don't you get it? Double standards are good things.
Posted by Anonny at September 3, 2008 11:57 AMYou're assuming Pawlenty, among others, didn't say "I won't join your ticket but I will beat your drums." The Republitroids know they're going to lose this election, possibly even by a substantial margin. No serious career-minded politician -- Ridge, Lieberman, Pawlenty, whomever, would say "yes" to boarding a sinking ship. Everyone just assumes that he picked her over others. Maybe she was all he had left.
Posted by Rael at September 3, 2008 11:58 AMJudith, I was asked..."peter, are you saying that Obama shouldn't be elected?" by Bob.
My answer was "Bob, yes, though if he does become president he will be 'our' president too."
""he will be 'our' President too."
He will never be my President, just like Bush isn't my President. Kerry's sticker is still on my back window.
Posted by Judith at September 3, 2008 11:39 AM "
I guess a president Obama won't be your
president now? What's wrong with him?
"Just before Barack Obama announced his pick for VP, I was reading this in Counselor, the memoirs of JFK's closest aide Ted Sorensen.
Late in the book there is a section that deals with Jimmy Carter's nomination of Sorensen as Director of the CIA. The nomination had to be withdrawn because Sorensen was unable to get Senate confirmation.
Both his release of some Kennedy papers and his support for the publication of the Pentagon Papers counted against him.
Sorensen was impressed with Senator Inouye, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. But he didn't warm to all the committee members:
I never lost my admiration for Inouye.
On the other hand, the prize for political hypocrisy in a town noted for political hypocrisy went to Joe Biden. On my first courtesy call to his office, he could not have been more enthusiastic, supportive, and gracious, calling me "the best appointment Carter has made!"
At the opening of the hearing, he changed both his tune and his tone, stating: "Quite honestly, I'm not sure whether or not Mr Sorenson could be indicted or convicted under the espionage statutes.......whether Mr Sorenson intentionally took advantage of ambiguities in the law or carelessly ignored the law."
After listening to my statement of defense and withdrawal, he said: "Ted, you are one of the classiest men I have ever run across in my whole life.""
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2008/09/just-before-bar.html
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 12:59 PMIn an interview with The Hill on Tuesday, Sept. 2 — two days later — Michael Moore backpedaled by saying that Democrats should not stoop to the level of Republicans: “Being tough doesn’t mean swimming in their sewer.”
Moore admonished Barack Obama for not using tougher tactics with Republicans, but said that employing petty gossip like the pregnancy issue was the staple of Republicans.
“[Karl] Rove would go after that, but we don’t want to become them,” the newly enlightened Moore reported to The Hill.
Pot calling kettle...
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 01:02 PMIs Biden having a lot of senior moments lately...
Third time Biden confuses “brigades” with “battalions” — for the third time in a week.
A brigade is bigger than a battalion — a brigade, in fact, is composed of a varying number of battalions.
Posted by peter at September 3, 2008 01:05 PMGood god, peter. The moose blower from Wasilla was a mistake. Get over it.
Posted by phidipides at September 3, 2008 01:12 PMHappening now! Breaking news!! Blatant republican lie exposed for all to see!!!
A paid republican blog disruptor-troll stated earlier today in this very thread that: "I am going to take a break and see how I feel next week."
He then went on to post at least 10 more times, proving that this troll like all others cannot be trusted or believed.
Third time Biden confuses “brigades” with “battalions” — for the third time in a week.
Please petie, point the link to me... I must warn Obama that old Joe is mistaken.
Posted by Seven of Six at September 3, 2008 03:14 PM