I thought the women on the view did pretty well--I only saw the clips posted on huffpo. He had the creepy robot smile he has when he knows he's totally bullshitting when he tried to say his ads weren't lies.
Posted by CG at September 12, 2008 12:04 PMIf he runs his campaign this badly, how would he run the country?
If all they do is lie, then how can we trust them to run the country?
I trust Barack Obama.
I trust Joe Biden.
I trust the Democratic Party.
That is the meme that needs to get out.
Republicans are liars. Trust the Dems.
And,
Maverick = Liar
Time to reframe this, especially at the moment (cause it might only be a moment) that the media is calling them on their lies.
HuffPo has more of "The View" lie fest.
Maverick = Liar
BTW: Everytime something gets screwy (stapler does not work, card swiper goes funky at the grocery store, computer crashes) we've been saying "Oh, it's just being a maverick". It is a good way to reframe that whole maverick crap.
Posted by Anjha at September 12, 2008 12:05 PMi didn't watch- did they call him on it?
Posted by Turkana at September 12, 2008 12:05 PMTurkana, the HuffPo clips are perfect. They called him on all kinds of stuff.
I still thought they allowed him to talk too much and try to talk his way out of it.
But they did say they were lies.
Posted by Anjha at September 12, 2008 12:09 PMAlso, this wolf ad is intense.
I was waiting for Defenders of Wildlife to come after her. After her they came.
Posted by Anjha at September 12, 2008 12:11 PMAnjha, I was just looking at the Defenders ad - they need money to get it shown, I'm going to contribute.
Turkana, when McCain starts talking about the Constitution and Roe, Whoopie asked if she had to worry about being a slave again! Hilarious!
Posted by iamcoyote at September 12, 2008 12:22 PMIf we can help the wolf ad get on the air, it's game over for Palin, I tell you. It's pretty brutal.
Posted by iamcoyote at September 12, 2008 12:43 PMI was just looking at the Defenders ad - they need money to get it shown, I'm going to contribute.
Good call.
I was reading the comments and it is a very powerful ad. I just don't know how it will play with the group of flat earthers that she appeals to anyway. They like destroying the earth and our wildlife...we aren't gonna be around in a couple of years anyhow, right?
On another note, just got an email from the Obama campaign asking us to forward to everyone we know to double check that they are registered to vote.
The Republicans are working hard to purge the rolls right now and Obama has a one stop register and check your registration set up now.
Voters Unite does too.
It is recommended that we continue to check because they are being purged quickly.
Plus we cannot have people miss the deadlines. Turnout is so important this year.
Posted by Anjha at September 12, 2008 12:54 PMso Fox's Hannity will be granted the second interview with The World's Greatest Foreign Policy Expert. I guess Charlie Gibson didn't turn out to be a pushover after all. Won't be a problem with Sean.
Posted by T2 at September 12, 2008 12:55 PMAlot of Americans (including probably alot of The View viewers) won't necessarily understand the details of how McCain is lying. What makes it clear is when McCain is forced to declare that he isn't a liar.
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at September 12, 2008 12:56 PM
The Senator also shared a personal story about working in the Senate with John McCain. When serving as the body's rotating chair, Johnson recalls an episode in which he was told, mistakenly, by the Senate's parliamentarian that another Senator was floor manager when it should have been McCain. "Boy, he really gave me heck for that," Johnson said, though the only impact was a few minutes lost on the Senate floor. "I explained I was just doing what the parliamentarian had instructed me to do, but boy ... he can be hard to work with."
Johnson said he was recently reminded that he's hardly the only Senate colleague to have experienced McCain's reportedly white-hot temper.
"We had a caucus the other day and Harry Reid asked everyone, 'raise your hand if you've never been insulted by John McCain,'" Johnson noted with a glint in his eye. "And no one did."
Posted by CG at September 12, 2008 01:02 PMA guy called into a radio show this morning and I think he hit the nail on the head. He said the McCain camp is going after people's hears and the Obama camp is going after people's minds.
As much as we'd like to think that people vote with their minds, more vote with their hearts. McCain's got it right. Obama just wants to stick to the issues but that won't work. He can talk the economy until he's blue in the face, but unless he tears down McCain (nicely of course!) he's going to lose. He needs to call out McCain for lying every chance he gets. This is a start:
"Today on "The View," John McCain defended his campaign's latest ad campaign, which has been debunked repeatedly as both false and sleazy. In running the sleaziest campaign since South Carolina in 2000 and standing by completely debunked lies on national television, it's clear that John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose an election."
They had previously called McCain's ad perverse. Perverse?? Most people don't even know what that means.
Posted by CG at September 12, 2008 01:11 PMPinhead Majority doesn't care if they're lied to.
Of course the lies have to be called, what else can you do, and call McCain a barefaced liar every day. But I am now figuring out that Team McCain has determined lying no longer matters to the pinheads. They must like lying by Repubs.
So McLiar doesn't care if he's caught and that's why he keeps literally repeating lies and making up even bigger ones (today: "Lady Sarah NEVER requested ANY earmarks as guv'nor!" Press: yes she did. McCain: "Like I said, never") They've determined they only benefit from the lies and being called on it doesn't hurt them---it's just the unfair Lib'rul Media!
When intentional lying by leaders becomes meaningless, there's no Plan B possible.
Posted by euzoius at September 12, 2008 01:30 PMMcCain is in big trouble if he's getting flogged on The View. I can see the campaign back room trying to protect Sarah Palin: Whatever you do, don't let her appear on The View!
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at September 12, 2008 02:30 PMWhy does Obama and his surrogates feel like they have to lie about Palin? Since she has become the nation's VP choice, Obama and his surrogates have come unhinged. It's been one lie after another from the Left, and with each distortion the McCain-Palin ticket, gets stronger and stronger.
Posted by Muck at September 12, 2008 04:46 PMWhy are the tapes McSame made for the Vietnamese still classified?
Shouldn't we know how he reacts under extreme pressure?
Posted by TIKI AL at September 12, 2008 04:57 PM"Why does Obama and his surrogates feel like they have to lie about Palin?"
Then there are the people like Muck who need to believe that McCain and Palin aren't liars, and that it is the Democrats making lies up. Documentation of facts are now called lies by the Republicans.
Muck, would you like to share with us proof that the Demcorats have lied about Palin? Links please.
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 05:05 PM"Why are the tapes McSame made for the Vietnamese still classified?"
TIKI, you and I know those tapes have been destroyed. However, new tapes have been discovered showing McCain being released on a carrier, I believe. Surprised we haven't seen them yet. Since McCain has used his military service as a reason to vote for him, then we should have the right to information on ALL his military service, including the part where he betrayed this Country. Of course, Muck would say we make this shit up.
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 05:13 PMThey just don't care if they're lied to, Judith. That's the thing. The godbot in my office got hysterical over Whoopie's question to McCain about whether she'd have to worry about being a slave - she said Whoopie was ignorant to ask that. Anyone who calls Palin a liar is ignorant, she yelled at me. When I told her Palin's own words call her a liar, she went into the "all politicians are liars" bit. They don't want to know. They like the lies. When McCain starts WW3 and the flesh is peeling from the godbot's bones from the fallout, she'll think he did the right thing. These people are looney toons, and there's no fixing 'em.
Posted by iamcoyote at September 12, 2008 05:31 PMFactcheck.org on the lies from Democrats after the selection of Palin.
More lies by Obama's surrogates on Palin on Iraq.
And more, Palin says no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.
Posted by Muck at September 12, 2008 06:29 PMMuck,
You sound bitter. You need to focus more on all the good unBush-like policies that McCain and Palin are gonna bring to the presidency.
Oh. Yeah. Sorry.
There aren't any.
Well, I guess you can just keep up the diversionary crap.
Posted by snark at September 12, 2008 07:27 PMI'm tired of these lies of the Mccain campaign. These ads are sleezy and untrue. I hate being lied to and I'm glad that the view called him out.
Posted by KW at September 12, 2008 09:20 PMMuck, spare us the false equivalencies and get your candidates for President and Vice President to stop lying themselves.
Palin: She opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (she supported it); she said "thanks but no thanks" (she took the money)
McCain: The above referring to Palin; Palin didn't ask for earmarks as governor (she asked for and received more per capita than any other state); Obama was referring to Palin with "lipstick on a pig" (anyone fluent in English understands otherwise; he has used the same expression in a similar manner); Obama wants to teach sex-ed to kindergarten kids (wants to teach them to recognize sexual predators in an age appropriate way)
It's amazing how many Republicans are so eager to embrace lies in pursuit of power. Did you all not have mothers to teach you right from wrong?
Posted by CA Pol Junkie at September 12, 2008 10:56 PMMuck answers my question with more lies, or omission of facts or misleading words. Typical.
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 11:06 PMHere Muck, try again. No one here ever said she tried to get books banned. What we said was she asked the question of the librarian on how one would go about banning books.
The VP candidate butted heads with a librarian while mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. In her first public statement since Palin was named the GOP vice-presidential candidate, Mary Ellen Baker said today, "I simply do not recall a conversation with specific titles," Baker told ABCNews.com.
Palin has acknowledged she twice raised the issue in 1996 of how books could be removed from the shelves, but said it was only a "rhetorical question" and that she did not ask for any books to be banned.
Palin's church at the time, the Assembly of God, had been pushing for the removal a book called "Pastor I Am Gay" from local bookstores, according to the book's author Pastor Howard Bess, of the Church of the Covenant in nearby Palmer, Alaska.
"And she was one of them," said Bess, "this whole thing of controlling information, censorship, that's part of the scene," said Bess.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5766173&page=1
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 11:14 PMTaylor Griffin, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said Thursday that Palin asked the head librarian on three occasions how she would react to attempts at banning books. He said the questions, in the fall of 1996, were hypothetical and entirely appropriate. (WTF?) He said a patron had asked the library to remove a title the year before and the mayor wanted to understand how such disputes were handled (very simple, tell the person we do not ban books in America).
Records on the city's Web site, however, do not show any books were challenged in Wasilla in the 10 years before Palin took office.
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 11:23 PMSo much for those lies Muck.
According to the Washington Post, Palin told a brigade of soldiers that they were headed to Iraq to "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."
Of course, that Iraqis helped the 9/11 plotters was a key element of the Bush administration's original case for an invasion of that country. That view, however, has long been discredited, even by the administration itself, but evidently not by Palin. She left the impression because that is what her handlers wanted her to do.
One final tidbit of information. Palin and her husband, Todd, have been assigned Secret Service code names. Hers is Denali, after the Alaska national park. His is, uh, "Driller."
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 11:38 PMHere are two of the books:
Pastor, I am Gay and Go Ask Alice, which is a somewhat fictionalized, ‘anonymous’ account of a girl who becomes addicted to drugs, a pretty basic morality tale intended to scare children.
Wasilla’s popular public librarian rightly objected when Palin suggested that some books should be banned and asked how to go about it. The books were never banned, though Mrs. Palin did fire the librarian for not agreeing with her political views, then rescinded the firing after it was clear she’d made an unpopular decision.
So Palin's values include trying to ban books that the mayor’s church friends didn’t think other people should read.
Posted by Judith at September 12, 2008 11:50 PM"they need money to get it shown, I'm going to contribute."
Link please! I will contribute big time if I can find out where. It will be my first contribution ever to any kind of political campaign ad because I do not appreciate political campaign ads at all. That is how much I dislike the idea of Sarah Palin in Washington, not to mention the very idea that anyone thinks it's sporting to kill anything this way. It makes me sick to my stomach just to think about it.
Posted by Shirin at September 12, 2008 11:57 PM"I just don't know how it will play with the group of flat earthers that she appeals to anyway."
If those were the only people who find her appealing, we wouldn't have a problem - they are still a minority. This ad has a good chance to hit the people who are dumb and ignorant enough to support her without bothering to find out what she is really about - especially those who love animals.
Posted by Shirin at September 13, 2008 12:00 AMPS I love that picture of her - it shows how ugly she really is (and by the way, while I recognize from an objective point of view that she has well-formed features, I have not found her beautiful from the very first time I saw her - there was just something about her that came from inside).
Posted by Shirin at September 13, 2008 12:02 AMNevermind, Coyote. Here is a link to the secure contribution form specifically to help get the ad on air. I made a significant contribution. OK, I will have to delay getting that luxury item I don't really need, and was planning to buy this weekend, but I have no doubt that it is worth the "sacrifice":
https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=2621&s_src=4JY08WDC4&s_subsrc=4JY08WDC4_web
Cal Pol Junkie, yeah, there is something about a liar calling others liars.
Posted by Judith at September 13, 2008 01:26 AM