Damn...chilling is right.
Posted by abi at February 27, 2009 09:42 AMSo Whitehouse wants to warn us that we may find out that our country, under the Bush Admin and GOP Congress, did some things we might deem horrid. Well, gee, Sheldon...you mean like faking info to get us into a war against a country that did nothing to us and then blowing that country to smithereens and randomly killing tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of it's innocent men, women and children? All while you and your fellow Congressmen sat on their hands, hiding behind "support the troops" and other such crap. That's not horrid enough?
Posted by T2 at February 27, 2009 09:50 AMWow! So just what size are these other shoes that are about to fall on us? Can you enlighten us peter? What additional horrible deeds have your peeps perpetrated?
Posted by TIKI AL at February 27, 2009 10:05 AM"All while you and your fellow Congressmen sat on their hands, hiding behind "support the troops" and other such crap."
Uh, I think he became a "fellow Congressman" at the end of 2006.
You may wish to check your facts a little sooner, before posting.
Posted by IntelVet at February 27, 2009 10:06 AMt2,
he wasn't yet in the senate, but whitehouse opposed going into iraq. in the senate, he cosponsored feingold's effort to defund and set an early withdrawal timetable. you might want to check his record.
Posted by Turkana at February 27, 2009 10:08 AMI think Darth Cheney is about to come to regret his "F*ck you" comment on the Senate floor. I hope the American people come to accept the shame they deserve for ever putting Cheney and Bush in positions of power where they could wreak havoc as they have with American principles.
Posted by candideinnc at February 27, 2009 10:18 AMWell he's not using hypotheticals...but heck as some on the other side were always fond of saying during teh Clenis generation ....let the speculation begin...
So mebbee...it was more than they just "let it happen"...perhaps it really was more of a they "let it happen on purpose". Hmmm and If I'm Darth Cheney and David Addington amongst countless others that make up the NeoCon War Criminal Cabal (hello Richard Perle, Don"unknown knowns" Rumsfeld, Doug "stupidest man on the face of the earth" Feith, John Yoo, Scooter "never met a covert cia spy I didn't mind outing for political sake" Libby, etc...etc.
Maybe that long ago smoking gun information that I think Josh Marshall described as something as "tectonic plate moving" is about to finally be exposed?
Put it this way. I doubt I'll be surprised by the information, because I've already felt they're already extremely evil based on their past deeds and facts (hello I already know they started a war based on deliberate lies) and so they were capable of horrific evilness.... but it still won't leave me any less outraged or disgusted.
When's the hearing again....next week?
Posted by emal at February 27, 2009 10:38 AMwell, I know Whitehouse has been anti-war,...but didn't realize how new he was. I goofed. So allow me to strike the "You and" and just leave it as "Your fellow congressmen sat on their hands..."
Posted by T2 at February 27, 2009 01:31 PMthis is how it has always been this manifest
destiny on turtle island (las americas si dicen, Ustedes)
predatory nation, bush and obama same body different
gloves
i prefer barry.
universal health care, no more coal, free tibet,
blah , blah.
Turkana, did your ancestors have a lake named after them because they were the first peeps to walk upright and take long strides?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/science/27foot.html?_r=1
"Footprints uncovered in Kenya show that as early as 1.5 million years ago an ancestral species, almost certainly Homo erectus, had already evolved the feet and walking gait of modern humans.
An international team of scientists, in a report on Friday in the journal Science, said the well-defined prints in an eroding bluff east of Lake Turkana “provided the oldest evidence of an essentially modern humanlike foot anatomy.” They said the find also added to evidence that painted a picture of Homo erectus as the prehumans who took long evolutionary strides — figuratively and, now it seems, also literally."
...peter believes peeps started to walk upright so they could mount their dinosaurs easier.
Let all the bad news leak out a little at a time over the next 4 years. Each item building on the last.
If this happens then by 2012 the reality that we on the left have understood about the Bush administration will be conventional wisdom in the American mainstream.
Posted by Anonny at February 27, 2009 05:10 PMtiki-
i took my name from the fossil known as turkana boy.
t2-
always good to remember that there are some good guys. i have a hunch we'll be hearing a lot more from sen. whitehouse...
Posted by Turkana at February 27, 2009 07:16 PMYeah Chilling, How bout that president of ours?
"Next month will mark the sixth anniversary of the war in Iraq. By any measure, this has already been a long war. For the men and women of America's armed forces - and for your families - this war has been one of the most extraordinary chapters of service in the history of our nation. You have endured tour after tour after tour of duty. You have known the dangers of combat and the lonely distance of loved ones. You have fought against tyranny and disorder. You have bled for your best friends and for unknown Iraqis. And you have borne an enormous burden for your fellow citizens, while extending a precious opportunity to the people of Iraq. Under tough circumstances, the men and women of the United States military have served with honor, and succeeded beyond any expectation.
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And so I want to be very clear: We sent our troops to Iraq to do away with Saddam Hussein's regime - and you got the job done. We kept our troops in Iraq to help establish a sovereign government - and you got the job done. And we will leave the Iraqi people with a hard-earned opportunity to live a better life - that is your achievement; that is the prospect that you have made possible." President Obama today in NC.
Sounds like a mission accomplished to me...victory, now bring them home safely. And he consulted with former President Bush prior to his appearance.
"And he consulted with former Commanderer-in-Stooge Bush before doin' anything!"
Peter, keep lickin' that Bush ass. Tough to stop inhaling those sweet, sweet aromas!
Posted by euzoius at February 28, 2009 05:36 AMI really want a special prosecutor, not a congressional investigation that will grant immunity and make prosecution more difficult. I am having trouble supporting Leahy's commission because of those concerns.
Posted by mike at February 28, 2009 08:28 AMEver notice that when politicians speak of misdeeds that it's usually the "country's" misdeeds instead of the government's misdeeds?
Posted by ed at February 28, 2009 08:30 AMEver notice that when politicians speak of misdeeds that it's usually the "country's" misdeeds instead of the government's misdeeds?
Or an individual's or group of individual's misdeeds.
Torture is very well described: Convention Against Torture, Article 1.1 ...torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity...
A person becomes culpable when they know torture exists and willingly ignores it making no effort to cause it to cease. "Operating under orders" is not a defense, and plenty of those who in the past tried to claim they were "Doing as they were ordered" got hung for it.
In what seems like an eternity ago, when the posters at TLC became aware of what was happening -and at all the intervening steps when torture was ratcheted-up by our nation- we yelled bloody murder. We called the administration out for it. We are not culpable here. The trolls who supported these horrific crimes...loved the crimes...liked the crimes...relished the crimes...as did the republi-KKKon party in its entirety....these bastards ARE culpable.
So what are they going to tell us that we don't already know? Anal rape of children jailed in Abu Ghraib...it happened. Stuffing old men upside down in mummy sleeping bags and beating them to death...it happened. Torturing genitals with electrical shocks and cutting...it happened. Hypothermia to death...it happened. Raping wives and children in front of husbands and fathers...it happened. Brutality beyond anything humanity can tolerate...broken bodies...broken minds....we did it. And too fucking few of us tried to stand against it. But, by god, some of us tried to stand against it.
I am not an advocate of the death penalty. And in this instance the death penalty is too good for those who ordered torture and those who perpetrated torture. I can only think a life term in a Federal Supermax prison could begin to mete out some form of justice for what they did.
Posted by phidipides at February 28, 2009 10:29 AMPeak Oil is real and the fact that 911 was an inside job are the harsh realities that deserve the light of day, will be hard to accept, and will not generate any proud moments. From that one truth precipitating that one evil act has all the rest sprung.
Quotes of interest from "Oil, Smoke and Mirros" released in 2006:
Colin Campbell: "They're going to have to wipe out just mountains of capital."
Richard Heinberg: "And yet people won't be talking about the Oil Peak. They'll be talking about the unemployment figures. They'll be talking about the high price of food. They’ll be talking about the fact that you can’t get on an airliner and travel any more because all the airline industry has collapsed. There are only a few carriers still in business, and the tickets are astronomically expensive. They’ll be talking about the latest war or terrorist incident. And they will have completely lost sight of the one event that caused all those effects.”
Posted by last redoubt at February 28, 2009 04:58 PMI don't know if failing to be a leader is a crime, but compared with all the orders to kill that bush/cheney issued, it's not on the same level at all. I'm thinking that Rockefeller might do well to resign in shame when the truth starts getting told, no matter how it comes out.
Posted by Duckman GR at February 28, 2009 10:34 PMSome justice could be found:Place dead eye dick and the chimp in the same cell in Gitmo, guarded by former prisoners they had tortured there..
Posted by headxray at March 1, 2009 09:02 AMIt will be revealed that Rove and Bush were both being serviced by Jeffrey while Cheney watched.
Posted by Judith at March 1, 2009 03:47 PM