As the GOoPer-rump refines itself into its final, "purer" form of toxin, of course they want the monstrous Cheney to appear before the final FOX dead-enders and scream "Torture worked! Don't take our torture away!"
If torture worked, Dead Eye, why did you and the CIA stop the waterboarding on your own? But I digress.
Cheney's Torture Tour will increase Cheney's favorables with the deadenders such as peter, bagley and JJ. But what will it do with the soggy-brained independents, who are on the fence regarding torture?
What ex-prez Cheney is pulling with this media offensive is completely unprecedented in history, and the corporate press is letting him pull it without negative comment, of course. Just another battle that the wingnuts are forcing Obama to have to fight.
Appointing a special prosecutor would teach the Right a lesson, scare the spineless Dem "leaders", and even Dead Eye would start having some loose stools over it. Do it, Holder.
Then go out and yap some more "torture worked!" talk, Dead Eye, with the special prosecutor listening to your every word. That would shut Dead Eye's loathsome pie-hole, and pronto.
Posted by euzoius at May 13, 2009 06:51 AMyou gotta wonder why Cheney, who literally hid from sight for eight years, who refused repeatedly to testify under oath, who actually portrayed himself equal to the President to avoid disclosing his actions... is now all over the public airways and wants all the secrets declassified.
Take a good look in to his eyes the next time he's on Meet the Press....he's nuts.
You forget this famous speech by the ex-veep Al Gore in 2002 about the impending Iraq war.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/gore/gore092302sp.html
"Like all Americans I have been wrestling with the question of what our country needs to do to defend itself from the kind of intense, focused and enabled hatred that brought about September 11th, and which at this moment must be presumed to be gathering force for yet another attack. I’m speaking today in an effort to recommend a specific course of action for our country which I believe would be preferable to the course recommended by President Bush. Specifically, I am deeply concerned that the policy we are presently following with respect to Iraq has the potential to seriously damage our ability to win the war against terrorism and to weaken our ability to lead the world in this new century."
Posted by manapp99 at May 13, 2009 09:04 AMmanape:
Am I dreaming? You are actually agreeing that Iraq war was a distraction from going after the real culprits of 9/11 i.e. Al-Queda. If all Repubs like you see the reality, the country can unite behind the pragmatic policies of this President and we can really solve our problems, not just of terrorism but also about healthcare, education, energy independence, etc.
Posted by suresh at May 13, 2009 09:22 AMand on cue out crawl the dead enders to spew puke cult excuses...crawl back under your rock man-ape...we've heard your crap for 8 years and it is the sound of failure..
wonder what the losers will have to say with dead eye dick head and the rest of the right's heros in prison?
one things for sure the whining will peak...
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 09:23 AMdead eye dick head of the 6 viet nam war deferments hides at the drop of a hat..wonder where he'll hole up after conviction...just another puke coward like all the cult arm chair apologists around here....
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 09:31 AMLook at your tone. Y'all want to be judge, jury, and executioner. Their will be no fair trial with y'all. President Obama himself voiced last Saturday night. "Many of you voted for me...", and this is the "press" you're railing against. Tell me Doxie, why is the CIA out to get Democrats? When the president went to Langley, he was greeted with much admiration. These "little people" live amongst us often unseen, under appreciated.
Democrat, Speaker Pelosi can't seem to get her story straight as to when she "knew" anything. Then there's DLC chair Ford talking on MSNBC's Chris Matthews Show that "he'd have voted for torture". And now President Obama replacing our Afghan commander with someone who, as Esquire magazine noted two and a half years ago; "aided and abetted torture". Is this the "hostile" press you speak of? Why is President Obama leaning on people/countries not to talk about torture? You voted for the guy, why is he trying to cover up this stuff? Why is AG Holder using the "states secret" phrase more and more in this regard? Glenn Greenwald at Salon is keeping a ledger on this.
Our president has been very busy reading up. It would seem that he's more than a little concerned about protecting Americans, all Americans. Even little people like me. President Obama has been finding out that many things he campaigned against last year are/were really lawful. In fact, they were necessary following the draw down in the 90's. Cheney's but a gnat right now, but, former President Bush has been honoring the new president with his silence. President Obama will honor the former president likewise.
Let's no opt for a kangaroo court.
Californian's vote "No" on prop 1A, 1C, 1D, and 1E. Vote "yes" for prop 1B.
Posted by peter at May 13, 2009 09:38 AM"Am I dreaming? You are actually agreeing that Iraq war was a distraction from going after the real culprits of 9/11 i.e. Al-Queda."
Stop dreaming....I am pointing out how the previous ex-veep was bitching about the new Pres. This is not a new thing with Cheney.
Not that I agreed with big Al, just pointing out the inaccuracies of the original post.
Posted by manapp99 at May 13, 2009 09:48 AMPeter, take your GOP talking points and shove them up your ass.
Cheney has been so wrong about so much so consistently that he's practically the Bernie Madoff of national security. He's a sociopath and pathological liar.
He ought to be waterboarded to find out what he knew and when he knew it regarding his invasion of Iraq and his failure to prevent 9/11. It's time for some fucking answers, and Dick said that torture is legal and it works, so let's get on with it and find out what Dick knew and knows.
Posted by The Creator at May 13, 2009 09:50 AMCheney just needs to shut up and not criticize the current administration. His administration failed. His party failed. Get over it and move on.
Watched a video the other day that said "... to a certain extent Bush is not going to defend himself so he feels it’s his role to go do that."
I don't care what his justification is. Be quiet and follow the unwritten rule.
Here's the link: http://www.newsy.com/videos/questioning_dick_cheney/
Posted by Steve at May 13, 2009 09:55 AMY'all want to be judge, jury, and executioner.
Silly little man. It starts with us wanting a special prosecutor appointed. Then we want a trial and the executions live on TV...or from a cellphone video...makes no difference. And the G conventions are really clear. If you knew about torture and did not speak out against it you are culpable. Cool, huh? You, manape, Bags...every last republi-KKKon out there...is culpable.
I hope you fuckers get a chance to to choke on your anti-Americanism and brand of freedom that our Founding Fathers would have have sent your silly asses packing back to England for...without torturing you.
Washington decided to behave differently. After capturing 1,000 Hessians in the Battle of Trenton, he ordered that enemy prisoners be treated with the same rights for which our young nation was fighting. In an order covering prisoners taken in the Battle of Princeton, Washington wrote: "Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to Complain of our Copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren…. Provide everything necessary for them on the road."
John Adams argued that humane treatment of prisoners and deep concern for civilian populations not only reflected the American Revolution's highest ideals, they were a moral and strategic requirement. His thoughts on the subject, expressed in a 1777 letter to his wife, might make a profitable read for Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld as we endeavor to win hearts and minds in Iraq. Adams wrote: "I know of no policy, God is my witness, but this — Piety, Humanity and Honesty are the best Policy. Blasphemy, Cruelty and Villainy have prevailed and may again. But they won't prevail against America, in this Contest, because I find the more of them are employed, the less they succeed."
Even British military leaders involved in the atrocities recognized their negative effects on the overall war effort. In 1778, Col. Charles Stuart wrote to his father, the Earl of Bute: "Wherever our armies have marched, wherever they have encamped, every species of barbarity has been executed. We planted an irrevocable hatred wherever we went, which neither time nor measure will be able to eradicate."
Stupid cocksuckers, the whole bunch of you. You truly are the single worst group of people the United States has likely ever had to suffer through. Your grand kids are going to look back at you say "What the fuck was their problem?" Truly, god damn you all.
Posted by phidipides at May 13, 2009 10:45 AMdoes no good p-dip...they all have a combination of delusion and stupidity not seen since the 3rd reich, and on top of it all they actually seem to enjoy that sick, perverse condition...
criminal cultists all and asswipes while they're at it..
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 11:01 AMSo cool man. President Obama knows and isn't doing anything about it. He's now a torturer too. So what country is making charges of CAT abuse? Which country is going to assert President Obama is lacking the fortitude to carry forward through to trial and use the article's of CAT agreement and get the offenders transferred to The Hague? The CAT agreement is clear...where are those charges? Any signing member has standing. Where are those charges?
And why is President Obama continuing the practice of rendition? Why are there detention camps opening in Afghanistan now? President Bush stopped this practice, yet President Obama has begun to re-open these offshore camps even after signing that EO to close Gitmo. Maybe that's why he changed the Afghan commander to one that knows about torture. McKierman wouldn't take care of "business". Gen McChrystal is flexible to the needs of the new admin.
Posted by peter at May 13, 2009 11:22 AMMaybe Phid can tell us why The Daily Show with Jon Stewart had his Waffle House rant? She knew about waterboarding and did nothing. She says Jan Harmon wrote a letter in 2003. Nice, she replaced Harmon when she got the Speakers job. Retribution for writing that letter. She wanted it done when it was done. She offended the CAT too.
Posted by peter at May 13, 2009 11:45 AMYou forget this famous speech by the ex-veep Al Gore in 2002 about the impending Iraq war.
excerpt from Maureen Dowd's column today...
When Bush 41 was ramping up to the Gulf War, assembling a coalition to fight Saddam, Jimmy Carter sent a letter to members of the U.N. Security Council urging them not to rush into conflict without further exploring a negotiated solution.
The first President Bush and other Republicans in Washington considered this treasonous, a former president trying to thwart a sitting one, lobbying foreign diplomats to oppose his own country on a war resolution. In 2002, when Bush Junior was ramping up to his war against Saddam, Al Gore made a speech trying to slow down that war resolution, pointing out that pivoting from Osama to Saddam for no reason, initiating “pre-emptive” war, and blowing off our allies would undermine the war on terror.
Charles Krauthammer called Gore’s speech “a disgrace.” Michael Kelly, his fellow Washington Post columnist, called it “vile” and “contemptible.” Newt Gingrich said that the former vice president asserting that W. was making America less safe was “well outside the mark of an appropriate debate.”
“I think the president should be doing what he thinks is best as commander in chief,” Gingrich said flatly. Now, however, Gingrich backs Dick Cheney when he asserts that President Obama has made America less safe.
Asked by Bob Schieffer on Sunday how America could torture when it made a mockery of our ideals, Cheney blithely gave an answer that surely would have been labeled treasonous by Rush Limbaugh, if a Democratic ex-vice president had said it about a Republican president.
“Well, then you’d have to say that, in effect, we’re prepared to sacrifice American lives rather than run an intelligent interrogation program that would provide us the information we need to protect America,” Doomsday Dick said.
You can read the whole column here...
Posted by curious at May 13, 2009 11:54 AM
You can read the whole column here...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/opinion/13dowd.html?ref=opinion
Posted by curious at May 13, 2009 11:56 AMAll of this reminds me of a Democracy Now broadcast from the last couple of weeks - in WWII, they locked the conscientious objectors away in internment camps, effectively silencing them.
Today, the "dissenters" get a full hour on Sunday network TV to air their grievances.
Posted by idiosynchronic at May 13, 2009 12:13 PMshorter shit-fer-brains pete: all us criminal cult pukes are liars and proud of it..what ya gonna do about it?
we're also so chicken shit we piss our pants if we see our shadow and we're proud of that too...
and don't forget how proud we are to be the stupidest, delusional, sorry fucks the planet has ever known....
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 12:16 PMPresident Obama knows and isn't doing anything about it.
President Bush stopped this practice,...
What I said goes for Dems, Indies, KKKons, unaffiliated, Judges, Presidents, Congressweasels, and you and other fuctards like you: If you supported, enabled or practiced torture in the name of the United States there should be a reckoning for you. Period. No matter who...or in your case...what you are.
Great post by phid. peter the cocksucker was roused to post even more nonsense!
Since even the cretinous vermin Repubs seem to want to know who knew what, when and who did what, when, then why not have a 9/11 style "Torture Commission"? It's one of the first things both sides want to investigate in years.
Peter, get your application in NOW for junior coffee spill wiper for the Repub witness anteroom! Maybe you can kiss Gen'ral McCrystal's ass! There might be gub'mint health care as a benefit!
Or perhaps you could volunteer to re-enact the "terrorist" role in the stuffing-in-a-sleeping-bag beating that was so NOT "torture"! The torture commission will want to see that one.
Or maybe the exciting waterboarding 92 times and shackling in a standing postion for a week with a US army industrial diaper and butt plug! Send your oh-so-patriotic resume in now!
Posted by euzoius at May 13, 2009 12:50 PMEuzo. you know shit-brain pete is gonna think you're teasing him;
after all that "fun", stuff excites him and his fellow criminals....
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 01:18 PMgive me an hour a waterboard and dick cheney and i'll have him confess to the tate murders-- jesse ventura.
so, why is it that all the torture apologists never served in the military. why is it that they mention the s.e.r.e program, when it is used to train our spec forces to survive, evade, resist, and escape torturous events???
yes, we train our finest to resist and expect what will happen, so using the s.e.r.e. program is a fcukin stoopid arugment.
our finest know they will eventually go home, they know they won't be killed, and they know they won't be waterboarded 83 times in a month.
when will the msm start callin them on this?
Posted by anthony at May 13, 2009 01:36 PMI don’t know what makes Dick Cheney so scared, but I do have a question……
Does anyone know how many people Harper/Collins needed to lay off to advance Sarah Palin $11 million for her book?
Wow. That’s a whole lot more than they gave Hillary.
I mean, why would they do that? Sure, she’s brilliant and interesting, but she’s not Ann Coulter, who stays at #1 on the bestsellers list for weeks with every book she writes.
Do you think she’ll buy a private jet with the cash? Oprah sure likes hers.
Tonight, as you’re drifting off to sleep, think about how happy she must be to have all that money just for writing a little book. What would you do with $11 million, Headcase?
I mean, why would they do that?
Must be a bunch of former banking executives running Harper/Collins these days.
Posted by snark at May 13, 2009 02:08 PMpull your head out of your ass west....you're
delusional as usual....
Peter;
You wrote the following:
President Obama himself voiced last Saturday night. "Many of you voted for me...", and this is the "press" you're railing against.
All this time I thought you were a smarter Repub. If you do not understand a statement made in jest at the corrospondents dinner, then I gave you more credit than you deserve. That is the problem with you guys. You do not think independently. You let RNC do your thinking.
If you consider yourself as small people, you should know (if you think for yourself) that Bush tax cuts were not for you. Obama tax cuts covers 95% americans and you will be one of them. We need to fix our medical system or all of us small people will not be able to afford it. We must take care of global warming because we all live on the same planet contrarary to what RNC is telling you.
You are again repeating the RNC talking point that Obama (being a democrat) will not keep us safe. Actually Obama is going after Al-Queda by increasing our involvement in Afghanistan that your great leader neglected for 7 years. That is why Taliban and Al-Queda got stronger. Just think for yourself for a change. It is not a rocket science.
I still think you have brains but you have forgotten how to use it.
Maybe you've been under a rock suresh, Obama's man at Centcom has said AQ has left Afghanistan for Pakistan. AQ's second is living in Queta. I saw tax reductions and so far Obama's delivered squat. That 95% is so narrowly drawn it's pathetic. Just a word play, when cap and trade get passed, everybody pays that. And how to pay for Obama's healthcare? How's he going to pay for it...cap and trade(they are $90 billion a year short,NYTimes)? He signed the "stimulus" bill that contained verbiage protecting us from cap and trade increases in gas and energy cost, put there by Republicans. Tax receipts for April are in the red, first time in 26 years!
His own EPA finding that greenhouse gases are a danger to public health rests on dubious assumptions and could have negative economic impacts, a memo from the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) warned. ""Making the decision to regulate CO2…is likely to have serious economic consequences for regulated entities throughout the U.S. economy, including small businesses and small communities," the memo reads" the Hill
Folks here keep referring to "talking points". It seems to me you and the many are reading from some "talking points" of your own. When did you get the memo? Are you part of that 8:45 AM conference call coming out of Rahm's office? A lot of folks seems to be. As for me, no memo, no email, no Rush nor Hannity, just surfing.
Back to our president... How nice that President Obama and former VP Cheney agree. Those photo's shouldn't be released. It seems he didn't want a "war" with the Pentagon. Shame he didn't have the same feelings when he released the memo's, placing the CIA in CYA mode isn't a great idea. Thankfully, he now listens to Cheney.
Posted by peter at May 13, 2009 08:10 PMshorter shit-fer-brains pete: all wrong, all the time...
perfect puke robot asswipe, please don't change asshole..
you are way too much fun like this...
Posted by headxray at May 13, 2009 09:06 PMTORTURE IS A WAR CRIME. ANYONE AUTHORIZING IT, DOING IT OR REFUSING TO PROSECUTE IT IS A WAR CRIMINAL.
Posted by GREYDOG at May 14, 2009 12:07 PMVery dissapointing that our elected officials, especially within the Democratic Party, has now taken such a different approach in the discussions of Torture and the previous administrations corruption and illegal activities.
I am glad to see Cheney in the media (especially places other than foxnews) and is helping keeping the torture debate front and center.
We need to continue to keep the pressure on the President and Congress to do as we voted for. Change.
Posted by wevotedforyou at May 15, 2009 11:43 AMTo Peter:
Little people like you will remain little people. The reason is because you don't know the difference between getting up and doing something.
If you decide to get up and protest a wasteful war and the spending on foreign soil, instead of taking care of our own, maybe you will not be belittling yourself.