Comments: The Wrong Lessons

Doesn't the Iranian government have a Supreme Court to 'fix' this problem?

Posted by Stromberg at June 14, 2009 11:47 AM

Ah Deacon, Cal Pol Junkie does such a better job with this topic. They do have Supreme Leader Ali Khamene. He's the disider there.

Posted by peter at June 14, 2009 01:48 PM

From the NYTimes Tom Friedman:

"The evening of Lebanon’s election, I went to the Beirut home of Saad Hariri, the leader of the March 14 coalition, to interview him. In a big living room, he had a gigantic wall-size television broadcasting the results. And alongside the main TV were 16 smaller flat-screen TVs with electronic maps of Lebanon. Hariri’s own election experts were working on laptops and breaking down every vote from every religious community, village by village, and projecting them on the screens.

Second, for real politics to happen you need space. There are a million things to hate about President Bush’s costly and wrenching wars. But the fact is, in ousting Saddam in Iraq in 2003 and mobilizing the U.N. to push Syria out of Lebanon in 2005, he opened space for real democratic politics that had not existed in Iraq or Lebanon for decades. “Bush had a simple idea, that the Arabs could be democratic, and at that particular moment simple ideas were what was needed, even if he was disingenuous,” said Michael Young, the opinion editor of The Beirut Daily Star. “It was bolstered by the presence of a U.S. Army in the center of the Middle East. It created a sense that change was possible, that things did not always have to be as they were.”"

Seems Friedman sees the possibilities, Bush was right, Iraq is becoming the example in this region. President Obama is doing his best not to mess this one up. Thanks for your leadership here President Obama.

Posted by peter at June 14, 2009 02:15 PM

Of course there is a much better chance pants pissing is a blithering idiot that never met a right wing talking point he didn't like..

Posted by headxray at June 14, 2009 02:30 PM

Now there seems to be some dissension amongst the clerics.

"Grand Ayatollah Yousef Saanei, a progressive cleric and a confidante of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic Republic, has declared that Mr. Ahmadinejad is not the legitimate president and cooperation with him, as well as working for him, are haraam" tehranbureau.com

"June 14, 2009 | It's becoming increasingly clear that this was a palace coup, a palace coup in the style of Peru's Fujimori. The Guardian Council has to accept the election results. All eyes are now on Hashemi Rafsanjani, who has apparently just resigned as chairman of the Expediency Council. He was the sole member of the original "yaran" of Khomeini, or Khomeini's original team, with power and influence. Hossein Mousavi is under house arrest." h/t from Salon.com

First site's posting is now not available...figures.

Posted by peter at June 14, 2009 05:38 PM

Unfortunately, Lebanon has done nothing to correct its real problem - the allocation of votes - because it would tear the state apart. Until that happens, Lebanon will offer only the illusion of democracy, not the real thing. Without that fix to the national political structure, Lebanon will never truly function well. Iraq is going down the same ethnic cleansing route and the recent upsurge in violence there would indicate that the whole Bush-inspired sham of democracy is just as fragile as that in Lebanon.

Posted by PrahaPartizan at June 14, 2009 05:40 PM

This place is getting lonely. Where did all the regular people go?

Posted by peter at June 14, 2009 09:30 PM

You're the only loonie toon, nut case here shit head pete.....

Posted by headxray at June 15, 2009 12:33 AM

This place is getting lonely. Where did all the regular people go?

Posted by peter at June 14, 2009 09:30 PM

We got tired of hearing the same old hypocritical smear and deflect bullshit from Republican't idiots like you.

Iraq is becoming the example in the region? Are all the rest of the countries in that area going to descend into terroristic chaos because a bunch of religiously insane theofascists are acting as 'purity police'? Are all the middle eastern nations going to build blast walls around their government buildings now? Will women no longer be able to leave their houses without fear of being arrested by the religious police everywhere in the middle east?

Smarter brain dead Republican't mental midgets, please... or, at least, can you get the really stupid ones like pants pissing peter to shut up?

Posted by (: Tom :) at June 16, 2009 04:58 AM
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