Any innocents killed , will have been killed by insurgents, or accidentally by allied forces (most likely because the pathetic insurgents use them as sheilds).
How do we know that some of the dead women and children themselves were not armed fighters, we know that these menaces have no respect for human life, our troops are trained to shoot back at any enemies, if they turn out to be women or children then that is the fault of those who recruit them.
At this stage in the war there is no accurate way of determining who are "innocent " and who aren't. It seems every time their is an attack or air strike on terrorist strong-holds, civilians are apparently killed. Are you really so gullible that you believe the Iraqis who constantly claim this are not lying or exadgerating???
It would be more believable if it wasn't EVERY strike in which there are claims of civilian deaths, but come on our troops are better trained than that. Any body would think how these untrustworthy "eye-witnesses" (many of whom we know hate us , and would sink to any level to derail the process) are carrying on that our troops and pilots are deliberately targeting childrens hospitals and civilians.... it's such bull!!!!
Posted by Ricardo at November 12, 2004 05:41 AMNews Flash. People die in War.
Maybe they would still be alive if they would stand up for them selves and fight the terrorists instead of helping them.
How do you help a people that won't help themselves? Say fuck it and leave the terrorist to take over? How many civilians do you think will die if that happens? They are blowing up civilians on a daily basis now. What are you trying to accomplish by criticizing our military? You already got your ass kicked in the elections so you helping no one.
you are (sp)
Posted by War Dog at November 12, 2004 05:49 AMI have heard NPR mention that they were under military censorship, but only twice, so they're hardly consistent about it.
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Posted by Linette at November 12, 2004 05:53 AMMaybe they would still be alive if they would stand up for them selves and fight the terrorists instead of helping them.
Which Terrorist? the ones using car bombs or the ones dropping bombs out of airplanes?
Posted by Don Quijote at November 12, 2004 05:53 AMNews Flash. People die in War
Precisely why war should be avoided if at all possible.
Here's another news flash for you: We started this war. We're responsible for the likely 100,000 Iraqis (and counting) who have perished as a result of our "liberation." Terrorists wouldn't be blowing things up in Iraq if we hadn't blown even more things up.
Dog, take your belligerence elsewhere. And please, take the ignorant Ricardo with you.
Posted by Bragan at November 12, 2004 06:04 AMWhich Terrorist? the ones using car bombs or the ones dropping bombs out of airplanes?
This is why you idiots lost this election. Just how stuipd are you people?! But hey, keep up that kind of talk and you will never see another Liberal in office again.
Posted by War Dog at November 12, 2004 06:20 AMIn Ricardo's world there are no children, women, mothers, dads, old men/women and grandparents killed by the Americans. Talk about fairtale. Sounds like something Rush would say. Well Ricardo, if that helps your conscience, then you just go on believing that crap. Wait, maybe he is right. We do have to defend ourselves against those babies and little children and old people. After all, mother maybe strapping bombs on their kids to kill Americans. God, get in the real world Ricardo.
Posted by Judith at November 12, 2004 06:47 AMIt's a "Culture of Life" ye know!
Posted by muckcat at November 12, 2004 06:58 AMFreedom is on the march!!!
War dog and Ricardo: I can't help but wonder why y'all aren't "over there" helping our real patriots, instead of here working for the biggest traitors ever seen in America.
I can't help but wonder why y'all aren't "over there" helping our real patriots, instead of here working for the biggest traitors ever seen in America.
ahhh yes. The ol' you can't talk about it if you haven't experienced it line. You bore me with your idiotic statements.
News Flash. People die in War.
Corollary: People who support starting unjustified wars are therefore accompices to murder.
Which is why 51% of America is deeply loathed.
Maybe they would still be alive if they would stand up for them selves and fight the terrorists instead of helping them.
Maybe they would still be alive if the invasion hadn't occurred.
Maybe they would still be alive if Americans weren't lying to themselves that the resisters are "terrorists" on par with the 9-11 perpetrators.
Posted by Observer at November 12, 2004 09:09 AMMaybe they would still be alive if they would stand up for them selves and fight the terrorists instead of helping them.
Here's a thought, the insurgents are the ones with most of the weapons.
Of course this is a classic case of blame the victim. One of many techniques used by war mongers to hide their own moral cowardice
Posted by soccerdad at November 12, 2004 09:10 AMFreedom is on the march!!!
War dog and Ricardo: I can't help but wonder why y'all aren't "over there" helping our real patriots, instead of here working for the biggest traitors ever seen in America.
Posted by disgusted vet at November 12, 2004 07:14 AM
Aren't we a presumptious one???
Hate to break this to you but I'm british, my mother's white, my bastard father is a muslim (I'm ashamed of this side of my family, not because of the race but because of the deep hatred islam breed within it's followers... moderate muslims are moderate despite islam not because of it).
I was working in Iraq last year, but was sent home before christmas for reasons I cannot go into (for legal reasons), but believe me I've been out there and seen it. There are a lot of Iraqis very happy now that Saddams gone, his regime destroyed. The ones that aren't are riled by that propaganda machine Al Jazeera, and a deep-rooted hatred of westerners traditionally hammered into muslim children by their fathers (and their mothers if their husbands give them permision to speak...).
My father used to beat my mother, call her "infidel bitch" all the time, one day my mother and I left, and I also left islam. I wanted no part of this dangerous blood-cult.
Look at the way it brain-washes it's followers (they'll die for this insane religion for fucks sake), look how the women are forced to cover up, to marry, to have their clitoros pierced (they are killed for adultry, they are killed if they are raped as this supposedly makes them inpure). These people believe the koran to the letter... they think it is the word of Allah himself, the god they fear so passionately. Now my main point, taking this factor into consideration, note that the koran makes jihad an obligation for all true muslims, and specifically orders them to make war on infidels, kill them and convert them. It calls jews the decendents of pigs.
I'm aware there are many muslims who do not kill, and are not terrorist, but only because they are good people, or don't have the means, know no infidels, or maybe they live in a muslim country that doesn't speak arabic, so they have a harder time understanding the tenets of islam, nevertheless even these muslims have the same obsessive passion.But these people do their jihad in different ways, many ways, I'm not going into that now but believe me they dare not disobey these laws or they are not true muslims. Now consider this: If muslim "extremists" did ever revolt in our own lands against infidels, the "moderates" would side with them, the only allegence they would accept (IE- in order to please Allah muslims are only to have allegiance to the islamic ummah, any muslim disobeying this would be classed as an infidel or an enemy of )islam and perhaps killed.
Still think I don't know what I'm talking about???
Thought so.... hopeless!!!
If muslim "extremists" did ever revolt in our own lands against infidels, the "moderates" would side with them...
You're delusional. Don't project your own self-loathing onto the rest of us.
Posted by at November 13, 2004 08:56 AM