Comments: If It's Not Good Enough For The Ukraine, Then Why Is It Good Enough For Ohio?

The election already seems like so long ago. Besides, a liberal buddy emailed me with the bright side to the second term: Four more years of the Bush twins.

Have a great Thanksgiving, Steve. Keep a keg handy just in case Jen and Barb show up at your place.

Posted by muckdog at November 24, 2004 05:16 PM

....and some coke (the white kind) in case their daddy comes to chaperone them.

Posted by Sharon at November 24, 2004 05:36 PM

Welcome to the world of tin foil hats. If you're looking for one stop shopping on these isolated irregularites, visit Who Really Won?

Posted by BlueMan at November 24, 2004 05:43 PM

muckdog:

Four more years of the Bush twins.

Amen to that. Barbara does it for me in a big way.

But what's all this fraud bidness? Why can't anyone answer the question of why, if this stuff is true, aren't the DNC and the Kerry campaign people demanding satisfaction?

Because they know that you can't steal 3.5 million votes without responsible people noticing.

Posted by Toby Petzold at November 24, 2004 06:21 PM

OFF SUBJECT:

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. This year I am thankful for The Left Coaster. Thank you for a job well done.

Posted by Judith at November 24, 2004 08:24 PM

Thanks Judith. You were one of the first to welcome me to this blog. I'm thankful for that simple kindness. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

Did anyone else hear Rush-the-Lush quoting scripture and re-writing American history today? Better entertainment than watching a monkey try to have sex with a football.

Because they know that you can't steal 3.5 million votes without responsible people noticing.

Unless you do it like this.

Posted by phidipides at November 24, 2004 08:45 PM

Toby,

Happy Thanksgiving to you!

My guess about why Kerry and the DNC are laying low is that they remember how Al Gore was treated by the press when HE challenged the 2000 election ("Sore LOSERman!!!," "give it up, get over it" etc), and as we all know, the MSM is quite happy to repeat any insinuation of anger, any derogatory lie aimed at Kerry (remember the Swifties?), and as others have taken up the torch to challenge the bogus election, why risk the negative press.....since positive press can't even be bought by progressives these days. I for one don't fault him at all.

Posted by Sharon at November 25, 2004 03:38 AM

"I know that many readers here have been disappointed that I haven’t made more of an issue of the potential for fraud in the election. Part of my reticence is simply based on the fact that on the surface Kerry did lose by at least several million votes, regardless of what happens in next week’s Ohio recount."

That last statement totally baffles me. No matter how I parse it, it comes out "Since he seems to have won the popular vote by several million votes, there's no point getting worked up about the possibility that he won the electoral college majority only because of fraud in Ohio."

Posted by HUH? at November 25, 2004 05:24 AM

Sharon, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Although I am watching the voting irregularity story very closely, I say smart money is on the 2 lawyers who are running a stealth campaign on this purposefully for the reasons you noted.

I also think it gives the story more impartiality that the claims of voter suppression, disenfranchisement, and fraud are being initiated and pushed to the surface from we the people. That is where the real power lies because as soon as K-E get involved then the whole story switches over to politics and cries of partisanship. This issue is not about politics in the general sense of the word, it is about trusting our voting system, fair and accurate elections, uniform voting, and having an election and voting system in place that is able to be audited and accountable no matter what state or precinct it occurs in. It's about a fair, accurate, uniform, voting system/process, the heart and soul of democracy.

If Buscho isn't afraid of the results changing, his mandate being anything less than legitimate, or of any purposeful and deliberate fraud being discovered, then he should be leading the charge on any and all recount efforts and voting investigations. Bush should also be calling for voting and election reform immediately to put to rest once in for all any future doubts about stolen or fraudulent elections. But strangely Bush is silent and has already moved on passed the election and is spending his hard earned political capital....now watch this drive.

Posted by emal at November 25, 2004 08:02 AM

Steve Soto,

I want to thank you for this article and the important links. To be frank I, too, was ready to consign complaints about vote counting fraud to a musty corner where the paranoids live, but that only shows my own ignorance. Having followed out your links and gone beyond to review vote totals in communities I am very well acquainted with, I have to say there are some extremely disturbing discrepancies, both statistically speaking and based on my own personal knowledge.

If I were a grand jury I've seen enough, now, to indict. t's past time for an aggressive and skilled press, or some successor to the "fourth estate" claim, to get down and dirty and collect the proofs.

Posted by larre at November 25, 2004 08:15 AM

I'm with larre - this was an excellent post and certainly takes the subject out of the tinfoil hat regime. I'm definitely waiting to see what Bev Harris and her band of experts find.

Posted by Mary at November 25, 2004 11:01 AM

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm

Posted by Sharon at November 26, 2004 06:01 AM

The ES&S GEMS tabulation software has been determined by security experts (thanks to Bev Harris) to be insecure and manipulatable. How many of Bush's votes were tabulated with this software? Remember, this is the Administration that bullshitted the world in order to invade Iraq in violation of the UN Charter. This is the
Administraton that bullshitted Congress about the cost of the Medicare drug benefit. This is the Administration that walked away from the Geneva Conventions and other international treaties.

Time and time again, the end justifies the means. If they are convinced (deluded) that only they know the best and righteous path for America and the world, you think they are not capable of fixing the election? I believe they would and did. Don't try and convince me that he won by millions of votes. Do to the unconfirmable nature of paperless voting technology, no one will ever know how many of his counted votes were actually cast.

Posted by brisa at November 26, 2004 06:31 PM