why is the American opposition to Bush so second rate and childishly disorganised?

why is the American opposition to Bush so second rate and childishly disorganised?

cause a large chunk of the opposition party would rather be known as the "not quite as enthusiastic about the bush agenda" party

Can we get a troll to give us the talking point on this?

I'd really like to know how this is being spun as a "positive."

Soto:

I mean, the European Union audibly laughed at Bush yesterday when he made his remarks about Iran.

You mean the thing about everything still being on the table? Didn't he mean for that to be funny?

Toby, I wished that he meant it to be funny, but apparently he was serious when he said that yesterday.

He tried to clarify it today, and he answered it today the way he should have dealt with it yesterday.

Good for Germany for just saying no to a phony propaganda opportunity for bozo the war criminal.

Now if they'd just arrest him and ship him off to the Hague...

I loved it when bush was french kissing Chirac's ass!

So.......we now have another example of our supposedly "bold" leader, who fearlesslly speaks his mind no matter the consequences chickening out of an event that cannot be manufactured to keep his image intact.
What a phony ass bullshitter.....and yes, I too want to hear the troll response--- how can anyone witha brain in their head consider Bush a leader?

He is a fake......a fake leader, who can only appear in fake settings, before fake crowds, and needs the assiatance of fake journalists.

But, all the Bushies just keep on swallowing the bullshit.

Bush went to Europe,but the question is where did he not go. Let be clear Bush went to Brussel not Paris to meet Chirac at the same time he met the Germany Prime Minister in Mainz not Berlin and he going to meet Putin not in Moscow some other place also. So are we to be fooled by all of this fanfare or what. By the way Bush did not meet with Tony Blair what are we to make of this hypocrisy from Bush. It seems to me for all of that fanfare,news conference he made of fool himself,but the Europeans are skeptical of this fool as they should be.

German Protestors,"Bush #1 Terrorist" complete with pictures.

Things you won't see or hear about on American cable/tv media.

Here's some of my favorite parts of the article.

Before the march, which Mainz police said was one of the largest ever in the city of about 300,000, one speaker told the crowd: "Mr. Bush, please leave our country. You started an illegal war against Iraq."

German police confiscated one poster that read: "We had our Hitler, now you have yours."

Some protesters praised Schroeder for his anti-war stance.

"Schroeder's opposition to the Iraq war made me so proud to be German," said Helmut Bach, 50, a pilot who marched with his 20-year-old daughter. "That's why I voted for him."

Several protesters wearing fake U.S. army uniforms pulled a trailer with dummies of blood-covered Iraq prisoners impaled on iron bars under a banner: "We don't want your type of freedom."

A force of 10,000 police officers staged one of the biggest postwar security operations. Frogmen searched the Rhine for explosives, 1,300 manhole covers were welded shut and thousands of residents were displaced.

For Bush's eight-hour stay there was also a strict ban on air traffic within a 60-km (40-mile) radius of Mainz, barges on the river were halted and motorways in the region closed. Factories, businesses and schools were shut.

Alex Berg, 31, a dancer, and her friends were dressed as cows and carried a poster reading: "We don't need no cowboys."

Bush's visit contrasted with that of his father to Mainz in 1989 when large crowds cheered Bush senior for his calls for the Berlin Wall to be torn down.

Other U.S. presidents have also been given a hero's welcome in Germany, although the younger Bush has never been popular. When he visited Berlin in May 2002, some 20,000 demonstrators took to the streets.

"When John F. Kennedy came to Germany he drove through cheering crowds," said Mark Reichelt, 20, a student. "Now Bush is here and will drive through empty streets." REUTERS

emal,
Thank you for your post. We all have to remember that we live in the belly of the beast and the great, great majority of the world opposes the war criminal bush!

Bush is too stupid to answer unscripted questions. But at least he's smart enough to know his limitations, I give him some credit.

The Germans have seen this before......they know what they are looking at. The Big Lie won't work over there anymore.

Didn't this same thing happen in Canada last year? I think ever since that Irish reporter took him apart a while back, he has not had an unscripted public moment. He hasn't even the slightest ability to think on his feet, much less make his mouth work properly. But like everything else: publicize the event, then bury the fact that it never occurs.

Soto:

Toby, I wished that he meant it to be funny, but apparently he was serious when he said that yesterday.

It's very interesting that we should have such diametrically different perceptions of that remark. Because it was clear that he was poking fun at the ridiculousness of having to hold two completely rational and obvious ---yet contradictory--- positions: No, we do not choose to attack Iran. Yes, we may have to ---and can--- attack Iran.

I happened to catch that remark live. Probably 90 percent of the people who also caught it were deprived of seeing what came immediately afterwards. The press and audience were laughing along with him because he invited that reaction. You could see it in his expression. But in the four or five times I've seen that clip played since then, not once do they allow that reaction between Bush and the audience to unfold. I have no idea why, except that it's in the nature of Big Media tools to manipulate things. (And, not incidentally, FOX did the same damned thing.)

The more important point here is that the anti-Bush/anti-war element are practically daring the man to attack Iran. But why? You yourself seem to anticipate it, but for what reason? The impact of the War for Iraq on its neighbors is something that will take months and years to run its course. Iran is intended to be influenced by it, too, but we have a very long way to go in pressing with diplomatic measures before an attack would even be conceivable.

If any country in the Middle East is due for correction, it's Syria.

And then the past two years of wondering about WMD will be forgotten when we uncover the evidence in Syria. Bank on it.

Well it did not go that well with Chirac! (the guardian)

…Mr Bush voiced "deep concern" about EU plans to lift its arms embargo on China. "There is deep concern in our country that a transfer of weapons would be a transfer of technology to China, which would change the balance of relations between China and Taiwan, and that's of concern," Mr Bush said after the Nato summit.
Within minutes of the remarks, Mr Chirac insisted that the embargo was "no longer justified", a message he had delivered over dinner with his US counterpart on Monday night. Mr Chirac, an accomplished English speaker, addressed Mr Bush in French throughout the dinner.

The Germans have seen this before......they know what they are looking at. The Big Lie won't work over there anymore.

You know how I know you're an ignorant liar, T2? Because if you really believed that Bush was Hitler, you wouldn't say so on a publicly accessible blog. This isn't Nazi Amerika, dumbass. If it were, blogs like this wouldn't even exist.

So, basically, you are free to call the leader of this country a Nazi and to criticize him in every way from here to the crack of doom.

It's when we don't hear from you that we'll know something's really happened. Until then, enjoy abusing History and being a wanker.

Mr Chirac, an accomplished English speaker, addressed Mr Bush in French throughout the dinner.

Who cares? The only people who think France still matters are Jean le Kerry and guided tour conductors.

And then the past two years of wondering about WMD will be forgotten when we uncover the evidence in Syria. Bank on it. LOL!!!!

Bush has no credibility. No one will believe any thing that he has to say.

I don't think that Bush will be able to sell another war. Our allies were extremely angry at being lied to about Iraq. Bush has established a theocracy not a democracy in Iraq. No one will probably loan us the money for another war either and we are out of soldiers. It's simply not feasible unless a war tax and and a draft are instated.

ga6thdem:

Bush has established a theocracy not a democracy in Iraq.

The ignorance is almost breathtaking.

toby is a fake troll, he never really makes me afraid of being eaten by a troll under the bridge.
like 'w' the fake everything toby is a fake mean troll.

ho hum, europe laughs at us, i know, i hear them on the staten island ferry. the euro rules and the dollar continues to dive, little boots has ushered the fading empire into overdrive. overdrive into the dustbin of history.

toby like bush is a mental cripple.

little boots has ushered the fading empire into overdrive

Bush as Caligula? Ha, ha. Can't top that one for sheer dickheadedness.

Toby,
Haven't kept up with the news have you? The leaders want a country based on Islamic law a.k.a. theocracy.

No astoundingly stupid is believing that Sadaam hid his WMD's in Syria!!! LOL

Troll Toby.....I simply mentioned The Big Lie. You are the one who made the Bush/Hitler connection. I don't believe for one second that Bush is Hitler. Hitler is dead. And I'm not so sure you are the real Toby, unless you are about 10 sheets to the wind. Good for you, I'd be tank drunk too if I was trying to support Bush policies.

ga6thdem:

The leaders want a country based on Islamic law a.k.a. theocracy.

I don't think a legal or political system based on (that is, not identical with) sharia is the same as a theocracy. Our own system incorporates Judeo-Christian philosophy without being theocratic, so...

But I am enjoying your implication that overt Islamic rule in Iraq is something to be feared. Maybe you're not as much of a dhimmi as I took you for, after all, Mr. Tolerance.

T2:

I simply mentioned The Big Lie. You are the one who made the Bush/Hitler connection.

Right. How could I have been so [wrong]?

Note to dumbass: when you toss off your clumsy allusions, at least have the courage to acknowledge them.

ga6thdem, you nailed it, no one believes anything Mr. Bush says except for true believers, Bush cult members, and the American right wing corporate media. Simply put Mr. Bush is no longer trustworthy and has no credibility.

Mr. Bush could be telling the truth, he could be lying, he could be joking, he could be serious, he could have his fingers crossed behind his back when he said it,or he could be hitched up to a polygraph while saying it for all I care, but people, especially from other countries, do NOT trust the man. Period!Giving his word to someone means nothing. ... Fool me once...won't get fooled again Mr. Bush.

And for some person's warped and strange view that people who are anti-War are secretly "taunting" or hoping for Junior to start a war in another country...puhleeze that is just ridiculous and sick. And you should remember it's not as if Junior actually listens to, ahem, people from his own country that he considers to be a part of "focus groups" anyway.

As I understand it, the Mullahs are the ones who will be making the decisions on what laws are acceptable-not the elected leaders. The elected leaders will do what the mullahs want. This is what I knew was going to happen and is why I was so against the war besides all the lies. A friend of mine's brother is a middle eastern expert and he said it was a very big mistake to go into Iraq. I trusted his opinion more than any politician.

I fail to understand how people have become such massive Bush apologists. You guys should be kicking Bush's ass from here to Timbuktu for wasting our military and our money and making our entire country an international laughing stock.

ga6thdem:

The elected leaders will do what the mullahs want.

The number one power in Iraq is Sistani, a Shiite cleric. He doesn't want a mullahcracy. The evidence of that would be his treatment of al-Sadr. Muqi got slapped down for his impertinence because Sistani doesn't want the Iranian model to take over in Iraq. And he should know: he's an Iranian himself.

All we can do is work with the Iraqi people to get them to the point where they need to be. The guy who's going to be the new PM, Jaafari [sp?], doesn't even want to put a date on our forces leaving. Is that the attitude of some hardcore Islamist?

These guys know how to play ball. Stop trying to come up with reasons why we should fail.

Mr. Petzold, perhaps the current climate resembles not the situation in Germany in 1935, but rather that of 1932 or so. Free speech still to be had, but clearly endangered.

Our own system incorporates Judeo-Christian philosophy without being theocratic, so...

So Sharia law, in Iraq, written by exiles who lived for decades in Iran, is just ducky. Great! I'll let you fly to Baghdad and tell the secular Iraqi women about their future. Burkhas for everyone!

Are you also under the impression that our common law descends from Christianity? Because, you know, it doesn't. It derives from (pre-Christian) Anglo-Saxon barbarian custom. Gasp.

And don't make me start on the Deism of our Founding Fathers.

Oh, so I guess we can all add a new reason as to why the US had an urgent need to invade Iraq that is now officially accepted among the right. What does this make it now, reason..#31)Install an Islamic based society and and rule of law that has close ties to Iran. Yup, if I (and I am sure wingers like Ann Coulter) had known that before we went in, more people might have actually supported it (tongue firmly planted in cheek here). I didn't realize this was all a part of Bush's plan, I even wonder if he did.

Amazing Toby,overnight you have changed your tune and feelings about Islam and islamic rulers (savages you called them often times). Your racist hate filled rants against this religion and people who practiced/believed in it filled these threads months and a year ago. You called them the enemy and you had no problem advocating bombing them all into oblivion. You had some strong and firmly held beliefs and worries about Islam (calling it primitive, backward, savage) and strongly advocated the need for the US to fight against it globally as it was a threat to our society. You sold yourself out here tonight, amazing, you put party and Bush above your own principles. I am stunned, because I never thought you were like that, wow, is that really you!?

The press and audience were laughing along with him because he invited that reaction.

It always helps to get people laughing along with you before you ask them for billions of dollars, and then ask them to send their young people to die in a war to assure U.S. oil profits. Yep, you need a big ass joke to loosen the crowd up for that one.

Bush demanded a picked audience right in front of the Germans? I am so embarassed for my country!

These guys know how to play ball. Stop trying to come up with reasons why we should fail.

And ignore Bush's courageous leadership? Everything these clowns come up with is Yet Another Reason to Fail.

Maybe Bush will just continue to let the dollar fall. Seems to be doing wonders for the European economies.

LOL.

Toby,
Even if President Bush did mean to get a laugh out of his Iran comment (which I doubt), I don't think this is a laughing matter for the POTUS, especially considering the job he and his cronies are doing in the rest of the Middle East.

emal:

Amazing Toby,overnight you have changed your tune and feelings about Islam and islamic rulers (savages you called them often times).

I think monotheism is spiritually regressive. Of all the monotheisms, Islam is unquestionably the worst. If you read the Koran, it is a humorless, vicious, and extremely chauvinstic piece of propaganda. I think Islam is a problem for the world and I believe that a great many of its adherents are, in fact, savages. They worship death. They hate modernity. They hate women and "The Other." They should be defeated.

Your racist hate filled rants against this religion and people who practiced/believed in it filled these threads months and a year ago.

Jesus! Have I been commenting here for a whole year? Okay. I cop to it. But I am much less a racist than I am a culturist (if that's a word). I hold certain cultural practices in contempt.

You called them the enemy and you had no problem advocating bombing them all into oblivion.

That isn't true. But I do think Islam is the great enemy facing the West today. I often invite liberals and Leftists to explain to me what they find defensible about Islam, but no one ever seems to get back to me on that one.

You had some strong and firmly held beliefs and worries about Islam (calling it primitive, backward, savage) and strongly advocated the need for the US to fight against it globally as it was a threat to our society.

Yep. Islam needs to be secularized out of its misery. Its adherents need to be "infected" with a superior system. I don't say it's Judeo-Christianity; it's Western modernity that they need.

You sold yourself out here tonight, amazing, you put party and Bush above your own principles.

Nonsense, but I have to admit that your comments here have gotten under my skin.

I am stunned, because I never thought you were like that, wow, is that really you!?

Well, what would you have Bush and this Administration do, emal? Regardless of my own negative views of Islam, we are facing an actual (and not hypothetical) problem in dealing with the reality of Islam in Iraq. If we have to co-opt it now, so be it. But that's just the vector for our "disease." Once we use Sistani's piety to open the doors, the manifest superiority of our system will make itself known. Let them talk up sharia: in the end, democratic values will level all of that.

You sold yourself out here tonight, amazing, you put party and Bush above your own principles.

You can try to spin this anyway you want Toby. It's not my job to tell you how these people should solve this problem Toby. This is one of the reason I did not support this adventure in the first place. Remember many experts warned them of this exact scenario...Mr. Bush's father even knew better. But C+ Augustus and the Neocon Gang that Couldn't shoot straight didn't need "no stinkin'experts" advice, after all they're omnipotent.

Although I disagree and despise what you believe in 99.99% of the time, that .01% of respect I had for you because I always thought you were true to your principles is gone. (Not that I am foolish enough to think you actually give a damn or care what I thought of you). Anway you're nothing but a wanker. No two ways about it, you sold yourself out. End of story.