And when you make a post like this, what else can your rationale be but to champion the cause of anti-democratic forces? Our men and women in uniform are laying down their lives to help Iraq be free ---but you're all about what's wrong. The Sunnis didn't get the number of seats they "demanded"? What is that? It's not democracy. Maybe it's just the tyranny of the minority ---a well-known quality of our own country's Democratic Party.

Go listen to some Randi Rhodes, why don't you?

short memory TrollToby.. men and women are laying down their lives to prevent Saddam from using WMD against the United States and their allies. At least that's what Bush told us at the time...

Toby - talk about a knee jerk winger response.
Pretty pathetic. Got a problem with the facts?

mr. toby is so right he is wrong most of the time.

okay rummy went to iraq to demand that saddam calls off his guard.

putti sells uranium to iran in the light of day. bush says he can trust vladimir. and we all believe and trust the word of bush.

and coconut condi tells latin america.

your pals in washington have blown it big time. there is no gloating here. if you state the truth you are with 'them' . i would be more concerned with the opnion of the world than your fellow slaves. they are the ones that are cheering for the defeat in the desert.

There they go again, damn ungrateful Iraqis
A free Iraq? That's why we went, eh Toby?

And here I thought you were the champion of Intellectual Honesty 'round these thar parts.

T2:

men and women are laying down their lives to prevent Saddam from using WMD against the United States and their allies. At least that's what Bush told us at the time...

Oh, so that's why they called the invasion Operation Iraqi Freedom! Thanks for cluing me in.

and coconut condi tells latin america.

I keep forgetting who's allowed to be an illiterate racist turd and who's not.

Oh, so that's why they called the invasion Operation Iraqi Freedom!

Right. After all the operation name is always indicative of the purpose of the mission. Desert Storm, as you recall, was about using military force to restore better weather patterns to Iraq.

If you think the names this administration gives anything are true reflections of what they are really up to, you are well into your glass of kool-aid.

what about that fat well fed mexican chihuaha?
the torurer.

news alert, news alert. the arab guy , you know the guy we brought freedom to. the one with the electrodes. well he is gonna be on the telly tonight. pbs at nine o'clock.

your pal brings out his house slaves, all people of color. to dispel the myth of the great repug umbrella. i particualriy like the little asian chow, elan the chow. yes it is racism. another truth emotional toby can not stomach.

racism and invidious distinction is one of the legacies the 'founding fathers' used as bedrock.

he it is and always will be a skull and bones, white boy club. blah, blah. do not cry. the empire is whimpering in its decline.

Maskit:

If you think the names this administration gives anything are true reflections of what they are really up to, you are well into your glass of kool-aid.

Since the complaint is that Chimpy McHalliburton didn't tell you titty-babies why we were going into Iraq ---or didn't tell you often enough or didn't have just one reason or didn't do it by your dumbass standards--- then that name is important in establishing the rationale.

What's the idea now, anyway? Just parrot the horseshit printed on the op-ed page of the New York Times and feel [vindicated]?

Clarence, you're wasting perfectly good marihuana. Quit fucking around and go find a job.

senor toby, do not get so irate about it all. your positon of living on your knees is indefensible.
i think you must be an acne faced thug with a cheap lap top at a starbucks in florida.
toby you thrive on trolling here. you are one perverse masochist.

and why does clarence never say anything, he is a supreme? cat got his tongue. relax, toby you are a peasant with no power.

as biden said to condi the rice, i like you, i really like you. you are the real thing.....

you have such an emotional investment here. ho hum.

Toby so angry because he knows he's spouting crap.

Iraqi freedom

sort of like clear skies that increases pollution, healthy forest that increases logging, etc etc

Orwell was a freakin genius

soccerdad:

Orwell was a freakin genius

It's funny how some euphemisms are deliberate (e.g., "differently-abled") and others are accidental (e.g., "Democratic Party").

Toby, I distinctly recall you saying at one point that you had volunteered for the armed forces (for Iraq?). I swear I'm not hallucinating about this.

And when you make a post like this, what else can your rationale be but to champion the cause of anti-democratic forces?

Ummmm NO, I would say the rationale was edcuating and informing people who are paying for this WAr in blood and money and want to know the truth about what the hell is going on over there and when will it end. Especially since it is almost the 2 year anniversary date of Mission Accomplished starring Commander Codpiece.

So instead TP, you say you would rather live inside your "see no evil, hear no evil Democracy bubble" drinking Freedom Kool-Aid and eating your Patriot cookies and not hear about the Sunni's actions within the government. Great and being ignorant and striving to be ignorant to the facts on the ground as you obviously enjoy and relish serves what purpose exactly. AGain these events have already transpired, not being informed of them and the true situation is helpful to me why. It won't change what has already happened.

Plus, you are naively dreaming if you think any Sunni a(or for that matter probably any Iraqi) is sitting with their laptop saying ooooh, loookie here, I see soccerdad posted the truth about the actions and situation in the New Iraqi Government.....I knew he was championing Anti-democratic actions. Oh for the love of God, get real TP, stop deluding yourself if you think anything we(meaning the US) says or does in this country influences these peoples actions. WE have NO control over things. Remember it was just a few short months ago the elections were heralded and purple finger Iraqi's showed up across tv's across our country with headlines such as the insurgents were defeated, deflated. But look what happened all that good news still didn't stop the Sunni's from doing what they did yesterday because WE. HAVE. NO. CONTROL. OVER. THE. SITUATION. IN. IRAQ.!!

Anyway thanks soccerdad. I enjoy knowing what is going on over in Iraq. Plus I know people who are serving over there and want to know what they are up against.

Teaser:

Toby, I distinctly recall you saying at one point that you had volunteered for the armed forces (for Iraq?). I swear I'm not hallucinating about this.

Every now and then, some coward here or elsewhere uses my name and spews lies, trying to make me look ridiculous. ("And a man in my position can't afford to be made to look ridiculous!")

I have never served in the United States military. The closest I ever came was taking the ASVAB in high school. I scored very well and was actively courted by recruiters. My big desire was to go into Naval Intelligence and learn to be a Russian translator (that was 1986-87, after all!). But I knew I didn't have the physical or mental fortitude to serve with our best, and soon dropped the whole idea.

Toby still can't refute any facts so all he's left with is attacking. You reveal your intellectual dishonesty and cowardice

emal:

you are naively dreaming if you think any Sunni a(or for that matter probably any Iraqi) is sitting with their laptop saying ooooh, loookie here, I see soccerdad posted the truth about the actions and situation in the New Iraqi Government.....I knew he was championing Anti-democratic actions.

It's enough that I know soccerdad is championing the anti-democratic forces in Iraq. Because he's the one I argue with.

As the President reminded us again last night, the transition from a tyranny to a democracy isn't smooth. But that doesn't dissuade you ankle-biters from throwing a fit because not everything always goes according to plan.

Well, tell us what the rationale for your post was then, soccerdad. Tell us what your problem with promoting democracy is.

Tet's year-round
With Leftist clowns---
In Anbar, even:
Put them down.

Oh, okay then Toby. Thanks for clearing this whole thing up and since you know and say that soccerdad is really championing anti-democratic forces then who am I to argue.

soccerdad, YOu bad, Toby tell me you baaaad boy. The Sunnis did no such thing yesterday. Chalabi did not get the oil ministry. It was all an act to make you write this post so they could get you to champion their undemocratic actions yesterday. Guess what? You fell for it hook, line, and sinker soccerdad...They really bamboozled you good soccerdad, you're busted. Please stop informing people.

Umm does anyone know what happened in the Michael Jackson case today?

Why is it always those who shout loudest about freedom who feel ordained to define what it is for everyone else.

Toby mellow out man, go smoke a bong.

Toby are you really such an idiot or do you just play one on this blog.

Rationale,i didn't consider one, I'm relating facts and observations about the process in Iraq as i found them in the articles I cited. Are you going to dispute the facts/observations or you going to rant and rave. Never mind I know the answer.

soccerdad:

Rationale,i didn't consider one, I'm relating facts and observations about the process in Iraq as i found them in the articles I cited.

I was thinking about going outside tomorrow and taking this long piece of green tubing I have and spraying some liquid all over the area between the opening by which I can enter this building and the stretch of asphalt where people operate their automotive machines all day. The liquid is easily had by screwing the end of the tubing into a metal fixture attached to the wall and turning a handle.

The reason for all this is that I want the color of the area in front of this building to be basically the same as the area in front of the building adjacent to this one.

Who knows why I would do such a thing? I only know that it's the thing to do.

OT:

Steve, I've done a search on your name and North Korea using your site's search function, but I'm not getting any hits. Can you give me a link to your latest analyses of North Korea? Thanks.

TP

Personally I have absolutely no problem in promoting democracy.

I do, however, have a big problem with forcibly installing a democracy. I have an even bigger problem with this administration using selling the war to the public with on false premises with false evidence.

You honestly think that we want the Iraqi people to suffer any more than they already have? The inept handling of Iraq by this administation is sickening. Your tax dollars are headed straight into the pockets of the neo-cons pockets via the backs of dead Iraqis. It is a fucking travesty.

Honestly, I can't believe that you are still feeding at the administration's tit that has slapped you across the face time and time again.

However, watching you melt down here really is quite entertaining.

Steve, I've done a search on your name and North Korea using your site's search function, but I'm not getting any hits. Can you give me a link to your latest analyses of North Korea? Thanks.

Why post that in this thread, dude? Why not go back to the thread you originally posted the issue in or are you lost, per usual?

That Austin weed is sick I tell ya . . .

Simp:

I do, however, have a big problem with forcibly installing a democracy.

Really? What do you think we did in post-war Japan and Germany, you moron? What do you think happened in the South under Reconstruction?

The only way for you to crawl out from under the wreckage of your "argument" is to agree with me that what would have made Iraq more pliably democratizable ab initio would have been to wreak far greater damage upon its population, especially in the Sunni/Ba'athist-dominated areas. But you can't do that because, as you have already demonstrated, you didn't even know that there's a precedent for such.

If it were up to me, I'd declare a free and sovereign Kurdistan tomorrow morning, get some 100-year leases on some bases there, warn Ankara and Teheran to fuck off or die, give the Shia their holy cities and most of the rest of Iraq in exchange for some oil concessions, and declare the Sunni Triangle and anything west of that to be a free-fire zone.

Go die in Iraq, Toby, you gutless coward.

After all the operation name is always indicative of the purpose of the mission. Desert Storm, as you recall, was about using military force to restore better weather patterns to Iraq.

Pretty funny Daniel.

Who knows why I would do such a thing? I only know that it's the thing to do.

Your scenario just described your "jerk-knee" ranting and raving reaction here. It's so predictable and it's the thing you do.

Toby, go fight in Iraq for your two-bit, tinpot dictator Bush. You're a gutless piece of human waste.