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Oh my!

Courtesy of Atrios.

(I hope this constitutes acceptable linking proceedure.)

Posted by muckcat at June 10, 2005 06:15 AM

Perfect, muckcat. I encourage linking. :-)

Posted by Mary at June 10, 2005 06:28 AM

AP poll today has Bush at 41%, a new low. It would appear for the time being that some of the rats are jumping ship. What, if anything, could bring Bush back to 50%? On the way to work, I heard the radio newsman rather triumphantly exclaim "One Third of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction under Bush". Made it sound like a great statistic. Of course what it really is amounts to a sad comment on our country and it's "leadership". With more than three years left under Bush, two-thirds of the population think the country is going into the dumpster. Just think, only 6 months ago a fair amount of that 2/3 voted for the guy who they now feel is bad for the country, and has a terrible foreign policy, bad economic policy, bad social security policy and mislead the country into War. The only question now is will his rating fall down to the 33% that still thinks everything is rosy, or will that number continue to shrink as well? What could possibly pull him out of the spin?

Posted by T2 at June 10, 2005 06:36 AM

Bill Sher's post today is about the "gulag" controversy and how it has led to Bush's mumblings about considering closing Guantanamo. Wasn't there some discussion when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke about shutting that infamous prison down? Course, we all know what happened to that idea.

Posted by Mary at June 10, 2005 06:44 AM

AP poll today has Bush at 41%, a new low.

But he's so popular! How can that be?

Time to start ginning up some trouble with Syria, I reckon.

Posted by Matt Davis at June 10, 2005 06:45 AM

Educated, sensible, intelligent people of all races and religion, always knew that Limp Dick would implode, and he has. When you're wrong, you're wrong. When you're right, you're a real American! But don't hold your breath, LC'rs and other Americans out there. This regime will wiggle out of this one somehow if---we let it happen. I urge all of you to attend the Conyer's hearing on the DS memo as soon as it's announced! Well, all of you who live in the DC area.

Posted by Mal Feasance at June 10, 2005 06:47 AM

Interesting S.C. decision in Canada regarding their national healthcare system.

I hadn't realized that Quebec had outlawed private medical insurance. Sounds like a bit of overreach to me.

One interesting comment in the story was that the system has generally been strongly supported by the public. This in spite of delays for elective treatments and diagnostic services.

Posted by muckcat at June 10, 2005 07:00 AM

TOON OF THE DAY: Ohio Joins The E-Bay Economy

Posted by jjoats at June 10, 2005 07:48 AM

Whoever is responsible for CNN's Daily Poll must have had a rough night last night.

Question;

Is the fight over the John Bolton nomination about principles or politics?

Answer options;

Yes - or - No.

Posted by muckcat at June 10, 2005 08:08 AM

Bill Sher's post today is about the "gulag" controversy and how it has led to Bush's mumblings about considering closing Guantanamo. Wasn't there some discussion when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke about shutting that infamous prison down? Course, we all know what happened to that idea.

I know you all aren't going to like this, my sources in Washington (and no, I can't elaborate) give Thomas Friedman's column calling for a shutdown of Guantanamo more weight than the Amnesty report in shifting the debate here. Bush and Rumsfeld are responding to Friedman, not AI.

As to Abu Ghraib, think of it in Newspeak terms: if rebuilding Iraq primarily means destroying things, then it makes perfect sense to contrue expanding Abu Ghraib as 'tearing it down.'

Posted by Daniel Maskit at June 10, 2005 08:48 AM

An another note: heard on NPR on my way in an interview with someone who used to be in the White House council's office. He was defending Gitmo based on the premise that most of the people there had connections to al Qaeda or the Taliban, and were therefore terrorists. This statement needs some serious examination. While I have long opposed the Taliban, and would be glad to see the last of them, weren't they, in fact, the ruling party in Afghanistan prior to our invasion? Given that, it seems to me that equating Taliban association with being a terrorist is as wrong as equating Ba'ath party membership with support for Saddam. Sure the Taliban adminstration sponsored terrorism, but how does that become 'anyone who associates with the Taliban is a terrorist?'

This former white house clown then suggested that no one but an extreme partisan would suggest that the error rate in locking people up (that is, the percentage of people in Guanatnamo who are not actually any threat at all) is very small. This statement seem to be pure propaganda.

In typical Morning Edition fashion, of course, there was no counterpoint or questioning of these statements.

Has anyone else noticed that Morning Edition does an awful lot of uncritical, unbalanced presentation of conservative viewpoints? Or do people think they balance this out with uncritical presentation of liberal viewpoints as well?

Posted by Daniel Maskit at June 10, 2005 08:55 AM

Did any of you hear Monica Crowley of MSNBC's Connected on the Imus show this morning? She did some work for Pres. Nixon and work two books on him so Imus was asking her if Nixon ever said anything to her about who "Deep Throat" might be. During the conversation she said that during the time of Pres. Clinton and Hillary trying to block the investigation that was going with them that Nixon had said to her "didn't anyone learn from what I went through?" Very interesting since Nixon died April 22, 1994, long before there was any investigation going on. My goodness, a conservative talk show host lying? If she was a liberal it would be all over the blogs. I already emailed MSNBC on what a liar she is and that I will never watch her show. Wish someone else would check this out!!!

Posted by Jan at June 10, 2005 09:22 AM

AP poll today has Bush at 41%, a new low....

I must say, as someone who voted for Kerry, this second term is off to a smashingly good start!

All that "political capital" he supposedly earned back in November has evaporated and the account is now overdrawn. Think maybe it's time to rethink the whole "Karl Rove - Certified Genius" discussion?

Posted by Jason at June 10, 2005 10:34 AM

Amy Goodman, Democracy Now.
Has mention that John Conyers of Michigan will hold a hearing on the Downing Street memo next Thursday. Let see if our great talking heads will mention it!
You can see it on her show (4:11)

Posted by not stupid at June 10, 2005 11:16 AM
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