Yeah, the sharks are circling the blood in the water, finally.
I find it fasinating that Cooper can tell every fine detail of the grand jury's questioning of him, but the WH says that they can't comment on an ongoing investigation, at the request of the prosecutor's office. What a crock.
Posted by Judith at July 18, 2005 01:30 AMI must admit that I never thought I would see this day. I hear lame duck is being served at the WH.
Posted by Judith at July 18, 2005 01:40 AMwell we now know for sure they are all liars...and there was a concerted efort to destroy wilson...people don't like it when their leadership uses national security to cover for their own criminal purpose....now that they're proven liars..let's concentrate on why they were lieing..and what timing..on a morning with a hundred new dead iraqi's..and talk of a civil war between sunni and shia....god almighty what have they done....
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 02:12 AM[also posted at DKos]
This may have been said already
but does the present quarrel between the WH and the media remind anyone else of Prizzi's Honor? I mean specifically the crucial part of the plot where Irene (Kathleen Turner) has mistakenly killed a police captain's wife and the cozy arrangement netween police and Mob breaks down into a literal Civil War until the Mob hands over Irene.
Posted by jlb at July 18, 2005 03:08 AMnaughty naughty boys in the white house..huh trolls...golly gee..what a shocking surprise...they lied!!..i think they should have thought twice before they blamed their war on the cia..ya think?...the rest of the bleeping world sees them for what they are....maybe some of the morons in this country will start to see it...forget karl rove that piece of shit..this is about the fraud and cheney and the war they started on lies...forget impeachment..how about prison?
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 03:45 AMthis drum will beat ..and beat loudly..til the 2006 elections...
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 03:50 AMIs George W. Bush a leader who is resolute and who demands loyalty from his staff? Well, he expressed that he wanted to get to the bottom of this (no one wants to get to the bottom of this more than the President!), but his staff ignored this request for two years. Funny, they all seem perfectly willing to speak to the prosecutor though. The fact that Rove has shared more to Fitzgerald than he has shared with the President should cause the President to fire him if he had any sense.
Posted by obelus at July 18, 2005 05:05 AMMan, I have a lot of work to do this morning, but look at all the chum in the water! Billmon, especially has enough reading for about an hour.
Posted by Matt Davis at July 18, 2005 05:57 AM(7/18/05)TOON OF THE DAY:Your New E.P.A.
Posted by jjoats at July 18, 2005 06:04 AMThe newspapers have, for the first time scince 911, finally found a story to pursue. The times it is a changing.
Posted by rlprather at July 18, 2005 06:09 AMthis story is very much about 9/11...and how the scum in office took us to war...on lies..about 9/11....and if rove and scooter are involved ..so are cheney and bush.....could be by far the mother of all scandals...
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 06:17 AMMaybe the CIA set-up Rove and the WH. Wouldn't that be funny.
Posted by Judith at July 18, 2005 06:18 AMOne thing for sure, in their arrogance they picked the wrong woman to out. Destroying people's credibility has always worked in the past, so they thought it would work again. The only problem this time, Mr. Wilson fought back because he is not afraid of this bunch of criminals. Wilson has become their worse nightmare.
Posted by Judith at July 18, 2005 06:26 AMSeriously, will someone explain to me the change in the media and what has prompted this change?
Posted by Judith at July 18, 2005 06:31 AMjudith
i really don't have an answer for you other then blood in the water sells...and perhaps they're a bit tired of being the conduit for these criminals....
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 07:08 AMSeriously, will someone explain to me the change in the media and what has prompted this change?
It's safe now. That's all.
Posted by Matt Davis at July 18, 2005 07:25 AMSeriously, will someone explain to me the change in the media and what has prompted this change?
it started when they realized miller's friends in the white house couldn't or wouldn't protect her from being thrown in jail. then there was blood in the water, etc.
Posted by benjoya at July 18, 2005 07:29 AM"Seriously, will someone explain to me the change in the media and what has prompted this change?"
Well, look at the polls. Every poll for months has shown the American people have wised up to Bush and now consider him a crook. The Media, even the large part of it owned lock,stock, and barrel by the GOP, is forced to react to the fact that way more than half of our citizens are fed up with Bush, His War, His Politics, and His Failed,Criminal Administration.
Fact finding trip to Omaha this weekend:
The car my family took is graced with two bumperstickers - Impeach BUSH! and and a quote from Voltaire, "“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." We ran into 3 other cars on the I-80 interstate that were just absolutely positive. A 4th car, did his best to flip us the bird while trying to a cause a pile-up.
Posted by idiosynchronic at July 18, 2005 07:41 AMWhy have none of the papers used this?:
In 1992, Rove was fired from George H. W. Bush's 1992 presidential re-election campaign for allegedly leaking information to journalist Robert Novak.
Posted by Clyde at July 18, 2005 08:08 AMUK's Defense Secretary John Reid commenting on the terrorist attacks and those who think the best option is to just withdraw from Iraq and quit fighting terror:
"One of the lessons of history is that if you run away from this it doesn't actually get better," Reid told the BBC.
He's right.
The contrary implication, muck, would be that staying will improve the situation. Things are clearly worse now in Iraq than they were two years ago, so that proposition will need some better arguments.
Hope != Plan. (If I may get all programmerific for a moment.)
Posted by Matt Davis at July 18, 2005 09:12 AMHope != Plan
another scurrilous attack on people of faith!
Posted by benjoya at July 18, 2005 09:23 AMPlan hah! It's all been what is called "flying by the seat of your pants." Little boots wanted to be president so he could finish his poppies' war. 911 gave him the excuse he needed. It has been prevously documented in the LC and elsewhere that Blair promised his support if Afghanistan were taken out first.
On WMD's there was a conclusion and then the facts were manipulated to support that conclusion. Wilson did the right thing in exposing his findings, it was pure power politics of the most ruthless kind that led to the outing and endangerment of undercover agents.
It has been noted by beltway insiders previously that unlike past administrations of both parties, this administration insists that only Republican consultants/lobbyists be used. The attitude is one of an administration that plans to hold power forever (i.e. why save any cherries for the other side if your not worried about ever losing power?). That type of arrogance leads to believing that one can get away with anything.
Pride comes before a fall.
Posted by sage at July 18, 2005 10:00 AM...those who think the best option is to just withdraw from Iraq and quit fighting terror.
Has someone proposed to stop fighting terror?
It seems Bush's bright idea is to create more terrorism so that there is more terrorism to fight.
That's where you're wrong. Bush has nothing to do with creating terror. Terrorism has been on the increase the past few decades. Perhaps you've missed it. And if you try to link Bush to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, I'll really start laughing.
It's a radical Islam belief that infidels must die. That's what they wake up in the morning wanting to do, and they've been growing in numbers and funding the last couple decades. They are in a holy war against EVERYONE who does not share their belief. You too.
Posted by muckdog at July 18, 2005 10:39 AMHere's a research assignment for you, muck: How many car bombs went off in Iraq during the following time periods:
1. All of human history prior to the Iraq war?
2. Since the Iraq war?
That's where you're wrong. Bush has nothing to do with creating terror.
You say tomato. I say tom-ah-to.
And if you try to link Bush to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, I'll really start laughing.
That is really one of the sorriest things you've ever written here muckdog. Really.
It's a radical Islam belief that infidels must die. That's what they wake up in the morning wanting to do, and they've been growing in numbers and funding the last couple decades. They are in a holy war against EVERYONE who does not share their belief. You too.
Is that supposed to convince me that the policies of the Bush administration have not fueled that holy war?
Posted by muckcat at July 18, 2005 11:20 AMsaw this tee shirt in a store a while back it read
you say tomato...i say ..fuck you...laughed my ass off
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 11:29 AMShoot mucky, AQ has quadrupled it's numbers, Bush is quoting Osama in speeches. Sounds like you and he have bought into Osama's holy war. Go enlist. You are desperately needed for Bush's idiocy. /slaps head/ I forgot. You are as cowardly as Bush is!
Posted by Ga6thDem at July 18, 2005 11:39 AMthe invasion of iraq for their oil has created more terrorists then there ever has been....this war was about their oil ..and controlling the flow of it..along with our very good friends (except those damn 19 hyjackers) the saudis...it was not about freedom..it was not about democracy..it was not about terrorism..it was about oil....it has incensed islamic fundamentalists and given them a recruiting tool beyond their wildest dreams..the fraud and his repulsive vp have made the world a much more unsafe place today then it was on 9/10 2001...especially for the u.s and great britain...and they did it by lieing to us about iraqi involvement with 9/11..they sent our children to war..unprepared..unplanned....not fully armed..george bush lied in his state of the union...that wicked ugly bitch condi rice was talking about mushroom clouds...and the vp his lies are to many to count...this war was manufactured on lies...and it was for oil.and this nation army is unprepared should trouble occur elsewhere...the bushes and cheney are wed to saudi arabia through oil..and they sold this country down the river
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 01:06 PMvery good friends (except those damn 19 hyjackers)
i won't have you insult my countrymen like that. they are every bit as much your friends as i am.
Posted by prince bandar at July 18, 2005 01:27 PMdamn right. show some manners.
Posted by dubya at July 18, 2005 01:27 PMthanks prince..see you at the ranch
Posted by dennis at July 18, 2005 01:29 PMMary:
Excellent! Finally we have a media frenzy where the White House is on the defensive.
Volumes, madame. That speaks volumes. And with the "finally," too. Very cute.
Volumes, madame. That speaks volumes. And with the "finally," too. Very cute.
I guess it speaks to a major epistemological gulf between the partisans when I say I really don't know what he means.
Posted by Mad Dog at July 18, 2005 06:03 PM I'm still willing to fight, even, if it means digging ourselves out of this hole we let ourselves get into. There is only one argument that shuts rednecks up, and hippies too, START THE DRAFT.
We really must start thinking about how much serious trouble these oil hole drilling folks have screwed our troops and our unity.
The other day it was all crystal clear too me when I saw a Bush supporter at my auto tech class wearing a C.S.A shirt (Confederate States of America), and I'm in Ohio, I almost attacked out of instinct, but he has a right to free speach,and a duty to show up when this country calls as we all do.
However, the country has told me to go shopping, because this war is important. We gotta pay guys from Texas $180 bucks an hour to sit on their butts and complain about getting shot at.
Either you fight or you don't. It seems now we are all going to have to bite the bullet, and start pretending something really important might be happening. If we start the draft, and support the country, it will be very intimidating and highly cost effective. We fought in WW2 for a shorter time, because we took it seriously and look Japan even likes us and we nuked them. We must mobilize as a nation.
This President wouldn't know a war if it slapped him in the face. He even hires traitors our taxes.
Toby, it cannot have escaped you that I am convinced that Bush lied to take this country to war. And that he has caused immeasurable damage to our country and, indeed, the future of the entire world through his braindead policies: on handling national security, fighting terrorism, dealing with the very real threat of global warming, his sick economic policies that would saddle future generations with unmanageable debt to enrich his greedy friends. Yes, I'm glad to see him and his lying cohorts face the type of media frenzy that was so common during the Clinton era for things that never caused the damage that we are facing today. If you are just finding that out today, then I'm not being clear enough in my statements. Your descendents will also be cursing his name as they live in the world he helped bring about. In my opinion, Bush deserves to burn in hell.
Posted by Mary at July 18, 2005 10:41 PM