Comments: Open Thread

Relax, it's just eriposte giving a blog-swamping impersonation of Thomas Wolfe's famous obsessive writing affliction. Nobody reads all that stuff though, so it shouldn't do too much damage.

(Happy thought of the day: just imagine if eriposte and others like him/her were using all their free time to change the world, instead of just bitch about what's already happened. What a concept.)

Posted by Midnight Writer at July 26, 2005 01:08 AM

Midnight Writer, that was mean spirited and not necessary. Eriposte, many of us find your writing superb. Keep it up.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 02:51 AM

the facts and the truth are the enemy of this administration and the trolls who lag behind them..with very few exceptions there is a clear lack of intellectual clarity coming from the trolls...very hard to defend what they defend...in truth it's indefensible..this war..all facts point to how it started..yet the standard response is to ignore the facts and say it needed to be done..simple as that..we had to do it...we need to spread freedom and democracy and the muslim world will see the light and realize there is only one true god..us...these are dishonest people our leaders..evil people..fighting evildoers..they lie day in day out..they almost never tell the truth...alberto gonzalves..is told to notify his staff of plame investigation.and the only person he tells for 12 hours is andrew card...says it with a very straight face..he is the top law enforcement person in the country..he is a liar and he is corrupt..a fan of torture...it is absolutely incredible the type of people we have in place to run this country....they are cold callous liars and that fraud in the white house is the biggest empty suit to ever grace the oval office...yet the trolls are right there with em every step of the way..no matter what...what are they going to do when bill and hillary step up to take the oath in 2009..it will be the biggest gotcha and payback in the history of politics...revenge is a dish best served cold

Posted by dennis at July 26, 2005 03:15 AM

With HRC now supporting the confirmation of Judge Roberts to SCOTUS, and her movement to the right. Are y'all able to say right now you will not support her run for president in 2008? Does her support of welfare reform and making abortion "for legal, safe and rare," turn you off? How far to right does she get to go before y'all withdraw your support? She's a DLC person, Dean isn't. Chrm Dean has withdrawn support for the DLC, wants more grassroots campaigning. Feels the DLC is 'republican lite', so how far to the right can she go until you turn her off?

Or is ANYTHING that gets a Democrat into the WH, the standard right now? ANYTHING?

Posted by peter at July 26, 2005 03:36 AM

What's up?

Trolls have been given the freedom to post on The Left Coaster. They use that freedom and this site as a platform to launch their attacks on the Left. Ironically, these are the very same people who support this WH in curtailing our freedoms and rights in this Country. Anytime it is suggested that they be banned, they are the first to scream about their rights. I find that very amusing indeed.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 03:58 AM

you mean like the fraud promising the people of nevada there would be no nuclear waste dumped there..right before the election

bill clinton was a giant on the global stage ..he changed global politics..especially europe..he understood that to get back to the left..post reagan...he would have to waltz through the middle..which is where one should govern from if possible..it does the most good for the most people...principles are great but you haver to get elected first..that what hillary is doing..with bill there to guide her..she is not preaching to the choir..she is preaching to the middle..and she will be elected..and bill will be secretary of state....the fraud and this war will see to that...

Posted by dennis at July 26, 2005 04:04 AM

Or is ANYTHING that gets a Democrat into the WH, the standard right now? ANYTHING?

You betcha. I'll take my chances with any Democrat before I would a Republican.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 04:07 AM

In the words of Capitol Hills Blues: "Because nobody's life, liberty or property are safe while Congress is in session, or the White House is occupied."

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 04:26 AM

I was just busy obsessing loudly and endlessly about this poor Brazilian guy who was executed by the police in London .. then I observed some person-like being claiming that Bill Clinton changed the face of politics in Europe, so I began to wonder if there was a place called Europe in Boone County, Arkansas, because he didn’t change anything much where I live.

Posted by at July 26, 2005 04:50 AM

I was just busy obsessing loudly and endlessly about this poor Brazilian guy who was executed by the police in London .. then I observed some person-like being claiming that Bill Clinton changed the face of politics in Europe, so I began to wonder if there was a place called Europe in Boone County, Arkansas, because he didn’t change anything much where I live.

Posted by Mark at July 26, 2005 04:52 AM

i'll betcha the fraud has changed things for you

Posted by dennis at July 26, 2005 05:11 AM

(7/26/05)Toon O' the Day: Neo-Con Full Disclosure

Posted by jjoats at July 26, 2005 05:24 AM

LBJ's 2nd term was the Vietnam War quagmire. Nixon's 2nd term was the Watergate scandal.

Reagan's 2nd term was the Iran-Contra scandal.

Clinton's 2nd term was Monica.

Bush is so inept that he has hit the jackpot...the twofer...a quagmire war AND the Rove scandal. And his 2nd term is only 6 months old!!.

Posted by Big Red at July 26, 2005 06:18 AM

With HRC now supporting the confirmation of Judge Roberts to SCOTUS, and her movement to the right.

Is that so? What exactly did she say? Most of us don't hang on her every word like you seem to.

Are y'all able to say right now you will not support her run for president in 2008?

Why would anyone say such a thing 3 years before the election? Do you know who you're gonna vote for in 2008?

Does her support of welfare reform and making abortion "for legal, safe and rare," turn you off?

Dead fetuses turn me off. Doing what we can to make abortions as unnecessary as possible does not.

How far to right does she get to go before y'all withdraw your support?

When she stops doing a good job for the people of New York I'll withdraw whatever support I give her.

She's a DLC person, Dean isn't.

Variety is the spice of life!

Chrm Dean has withdrawn support for the DLC, wants more grassroots campaigning.

Grassroots is never a bad thing. More power to him!

Feels the DLC is 'republican lite', so how far to the right can she go until you turn her off?

Republican lite is a whole lot more preferable than the fundi-extremist version of republicanism we got in control right now.

I suppose one will find out when she gets there eh?

Here's a question for you Peter.

What is with your obsession with Hilary Rodham Clinton? Really. I'm intrigued.


Posted by muckcat at July 26, 2005 06:18 AM

That's very hypocritical of you Judith. When did you get that SS patch on your uniform anyway?

The Nazi reference.

A classic.

Posted by snark at July 26, 2005 06:25 AM

Pretty touchy for a Centrist. Judith remains amused.

Posted by michaelparker at July 26, 2005 06:37 AM

what's up? george w bush has eradicated terrorism. the iraq war was the final nail in the coffin. good job, mister president! that didn't take long at all! of course some people had to sacrifice (scores of US soldiers and hundreds of iraqi civilians) , but hey, you wanna make an umlaut, you gotta break a few eggs.

Posted by wolfowitz at July 26, 2005 07:01 AM

what's up? george w bush has eradicated terrorism. the iraq war was the final nail in the coffin. good job, mister president! that didn't take long at all! of course some people had to sacrifice (scores of US soldiers and hundreds of iraqi civilians), but hey, you wanna make an umlaut, you gotta break a few eggs.

Posted by wolfowitz at July 26, 2005 07:01 AM

"final nail in the coffin" - that's rich. jesus i'm funny

Posted by wolfowitz at July 26, 2005 07:08 AM

How far to right does she get to go before y'all withdraw your support?

How many lies does the idiot son have to tell before you call him a liar?


Does her support of welfare reform and making abortion "for legal, safe and rare," turn you off?

Why does it take a democrat to accomplish these things?

That's very hypocritical of you Judith. When did you get that SS patch on your uniform anyway?

You kinda suck at the disparate intention thing. Why would someone who only pays lip-service to the principles of freedom try to squelch Judith to a point where she stops talking? That was her point in the first place. That's what you people do.

Posted by phidipides at July 26, 2005 07:24 AM

Phidipides, sometimes it seems that the point of a post gets lost, and the response is often unrelated. However, that's what Rove and the talking heads do, isn't it?

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 07:43 AM

With HRC now supporting the confirmation of Judge Roberts to SCOTUS, and her movement to the right. Are y'all able to say right now you will not support her run for president in 2008? Does her support of welfare reform and making abortion "for legal, safe and rare," turn you off? How far to right does she get to go before y'all withdraw your support? She's a DLC person, Dean isn't. Chrm Dean has withdrawn support for the DLC, wants more grassroots campaigning. Feels the DLC is 'republican lite', so how far to the right can she go until you turn her off?

Or is ANYTHING that gets a Democrat into the WH, the standard right now? ANYTHING?

Pete,
Isn't that what primaries are for? You can vote against her in the primaries and for her in the real election if you think she's better than the repub candidate.

Posted by Tex at July 26, 2005 07:45 AM

Steve, you were gone?

Ba dum bum...

Don't forget to tip your waiters, I'll be here all week...

Posted by iamcoyote at July 26, 2005 07:45 AM

Just found this and thought it the heighth of hypocracy.

Tuesday, July 22, 2003
Republicans on truth in broadcasting
Via Kos of Daily Kos, the Republicans are apparently concerned about truth in broadcasting:

Dear Station Manager:
It has come to our attention that your station will begin airing false and misleading advertisements on July 21, 2003, paid for by the Democratic National Committee. The advertisement in question misrepresents President George W. Bush's January 28, 2003, State of the Union address. The advertisement states that President Bush said, "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." In fact, President Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." By selectively quoting President Bush, the advertisement is deliberately false and misleading. Furthermore, the British government continues to stand by its intelligence and asserts that it believes the intelligence is genuine.

The Democratic National Committee certainly has a legitimate First Amendment right to participate in political debate, but it has no right to willfully spread false information in a deliberate attempt to mislead the American people.

However, we can spread lies, mistruths, slander, and destroy anyone we want.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 08:58 AM

That's hypocrisy.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 09:04 AM

"The British government has learned that the earth is round."

"The earth is round."

Both of those statements present the roundness of the earth as fact. There are no qualifiers. The British government does not 'believe ' the Earth is round. The British government does not 'think' the Earth is round. The British government does not 'have evidence' that the Earth is round. The British government has 'learned' that the earth is round. Whether George Bush give credit to the British or not, by stating that it has been learned that the Earth is round he is responsible for promoting that as fact.

Posted by at July 26, 2005 09:16 AM

How far to right does she get to go before y'all withdraw your support?

what support? you've got us confused with the cult of personality on the other side of the aisle. OTOH, that "safe, leagal and rare" formulation has been around forever, and not many people on this side have a problem with it. i sure don't.

Posted by benjoya at July 26, 2005 09:47 AM

or the fraud could have said....even though we know it to be untrue..the british government has learned that saddam hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from africa...and this information is exactly what we need to blow the shit out of iraq..we already have a plan called shock and awe..it's wicked cool..texas style ..and will allow us direct access to their oil fields the first day of the war.....those british are some smart fellas..may even let them in on the spoils...that tony he's almost as big a liar as i am....but i'm the biggest..cause i'm from texas...by way of maine and connecticut..what a man

Posted by dennis at July 26, 2005 10:21 AM

"safe, leagal and rare"

To mangle an old joke: You've gotta keep it legal, 'cause it still won't be as rare as we'd like, but at least it will be well done.

Posted by Matt Davis at July 26, 2005 10:41 AM

From the White House Press Briefing, July 25, 2005:

Q Do Karl Rove and Scooter Libby still have top secret clearance here, access to classified documents?

MR. McCLELLAN: You asked this question last week, and --

Q I did. And I'm asking again.

MR. McCLELLAN: -- the President has said what our answer is to these questions. We'll be glad to talk about all these issues once the investigation is complete.

Q Do they have a clearance?

MR. McCLELLAN: We'll be glad to talk about all the issues relating to the investigation once it's complete.

Q Why can't you talk about it now?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, that question I addressed a couple weeks ago.

Q. Now tell me Scotty, can you confirm that you are a male working for the WH?

MR. McCLELLAN: I'll be glad to talk about all the issues pertaining to whether or not I am a male working for the WH once the investigation is complete.

Posted by Judith at July 26, 2005 11:32 AM

This story interests me, and maybe some of you from a Pittsburgh paper about the Lt. Gov. of PA.

"I'm still bitter, but if she apologized, that's what I asked for," Rhonda Goodrich said. "I wanted her called out on this, and I wanted people to know that she's against the war -- and if they're all against the war, why are we fighting and people are dying? It's a big political move. If it hadn't gotten all this attention, I'm sure we'd never have heard anything."

The attention also called to light an incident last October, when Rhonda Goodrich and other women in Indiana County protested an appearance by filmmaker Michael Moore on the Indiana University of Pennsylvania campus. Goodrich said she and others wanted to counter Moore's left-leaning, anti-war political views, and her protest was mentioned to reporters yesterday.

"I said make your voice heard, we'll just go down there and tell Michael Moore what we think of him, ... (but) I'm hardly a political activist," Goodrich said.

I'm just curious if anyone has some thoughts about this. Of particular interest to me is the circular argument embodied by the question in the quote from the first paragraph.

Thanks

Posted by caroline at July 26, 2005 03:21 PM

Sorry, faulty

Link

Posted by caroline at July 26, 2005 03:28 PM
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