We have Dr Who on our side; we've been working on this case for over a year.
HTH ;-)
Regs, Shaggy
Posted by Shaggydabbydo at July 29, 2005 04:59 PMSteve, have a little charity. After all, you're dealing with the "Terra" president here. It's a difficult enough proposition to manipulate a war entirely for the sake of corporate profits. They've had a lot of real problems to deal with: Hiding $1.2 trillion in cash; Halliburton kickbacks that can't be traced; Executive Orders limiting Hallibuton liability for murder; How to say we are up-armoring without wasting the money on it; How to change expiration dates on the food served to the troops. And that oil thing has not worked out at all. All of this is hard, and now you have this idealistic expectation for them to have gone after terrorists while they were pillaging the treasury. Disgraceful!
Bushco and supporters! Treason is job number 1!
Posted by phidipides at July 29, 2005 05:33 PMphidipides makes an excellent point if the believe that Bush is only doing things for profits. Also gol clap for getting tying Halibuton into everything that Bush does. Did you feel the same when Clinton had contracts with the company? But I digress. The lads over there had the pictures of the perps and disseminated that info very quickly to the public. Given that there are few communities that they felt safe in, it was easy for Scotland Yard and MI5 to wait for the pickup. If we start talking about putting up cameras to watch people, the ACLU lawyers wet themselves climbing over the court house fence in order to protest. Hell they complain about the Patriot Act, if we launched surveillance like they have in the UK they would have a heart attack. I will point out that we have picked up a few internal terrorists that before they carried out their plans. Do they count?
Posted by Cyber Sarge at July 29, 2005 05:59 PMI used to live in London and walked just about everywhere (I got very tired of breakdowns on the Underground or traffic snarling the bus routes). In the average 10 miles a day I walked, all locations but the center of Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens were under camera surveillance. On top of that, terrorist threat rules that had been in force for years (I lived there in the mid-90s) allowed the police to stop and search any person they wanted. I personally was stopped and searched on one occasion late one evening while I waited for a train at a tube station.
I used to imagine what it would be like if we had all those cameras here in the U.S. It wouldn't be long before Microsoft bid for the facial recognition and camera follow technology. Heck, the companies would pay the government to allow them to spy on potential customers and sell the behavioural findings to data warehouses. I am confident that we would put our own special twist on the British tradition of taping everyone and everything.
Posted by Jim in AZ at July 29, 2005 06:39 PMBrits had live suspects. 19 suspects killed themselves on 9/11
Brits had thousands of videocams around London. ACLU refuses to allow that here
Brits mistakenly kileld a Brazilian
Brits had cops who demanded the suspect strip to make sure he had no bombs
Brits did not waste time feeling up grannies and confiscating nail clippers
In short, the Brits did not try to appease ungrateful leftist twits who cry anytime someone points out their shortcomings
International cooperation? LOL
Nice try, amateur
That's easy. The British have "intelligence".
Posted by judyo at July 29, 2005 07:21 PMWell, they've rounded up suspects, but none yet have had a trial. After they've been given a fair trial and are convicted because the evidence says they are guilty, then it'll be time to give props to UK law enforcement.
Posted by hmm. at July 29, 2005 07:33 PMDon, you've shown us who the true amateur is.
If you have the brainpower, can you rebut anything that is in the post, or do your RNC "It never is Bush's fault" talking points allow for that?
Posted by Steve Soto at July 29, 2005 07:33 PMAnd hmm, I guess I missed the part where we've rounded up Osama?
Oh, that's right, we let him go at Tora Bora.
Posted by Steve Soto at July 29, 2005 07:36 PMcan you rebut anything that is in the post
No. But Don is right. It helps when there is a camera on every corner. How do you think they found them so fast? Cameras.
Posted by Centrist at July 29, 2005 08:17 PMAnd hmm, I guess I missed the part where we've rounded up Osama?
Looky at Steve gettin' all snarky :) Dude, I was just mentioning that just because the UK was rounding up the usual suspects, it doesn't mean squat until they are tried and convicted. It was tragic enough that a completely innocent man was brutally killed last week because of a series of blunders on the part of the UK police (see Wolcott's post which links to a Brit's weblog that asks some troubling questions about the shooting). It would be tragic as well if the UK were simply scooping up men only tangetially involved with the suicide bombers and not part of any terrorist cell. All I'm calling for is a little due process before we start laying laurels at the feet of Scotland Yard.
Secondly, where did I actually disagree with your point about the law enforcement approach? NOWHERE.
Posted by hmmm. at July 29, 2005 08:42 PM"The sun never set on the British empire". The Brits retaking the Faulklins was a complete joke. What will it take for distorted emotional disturbed humans to understand that colonialism is over????? Period!!!!! How can a group people possessing less than half a brain believe they can colonize and loot oil reserves from people that will blow-up themselves. Hello!!! Is there even a pulse here???? It sad to read comments from people that don't have a clue!!! It's not the scapegoats (ACLU, Clinton, etc.)as you have been led to believe by the con-men. The thieves in the white house and congress are causing the problems. The U.S. didn't get an invitation to invade and kill all these innocent people!!! What we see is "the chickens coming home to roast"!!! Newton law states:"for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". If you think this law doesn't apply to you, you are dillusional.
Posted by smooth at July 29, 2005 10:08 PMHmmm:
Point well taken.
But at least the Brits tracked and arrested the alleged perps, with the assistance of other countries. The 9-11 butchers were operating freely in this country under the surveillance of the FBI for months, and no one at the highest levels of this government thought enough to issue a bulletin to all law enforcement agencies to bring the guys in. The guys were caught on video at the airport and were let onto the planes, weeks if not months after the FBI knew about them. Yet during the Clinton administration, they actually looked for, caught, and successfully prosecuted attackers. The last time I checked, we still had a 9-11 associate in this country with a crumbling case against him.
Second, my point about letting the Bin Ladens walk, and the wrongheaded focus on war instead of apprehension still stands.
We didn't need video surveillance to stop 9-11, just the dedication to do so.
Posted by Steve Soto at July 29, 2005 10:09 PMit certainly has struck me the speed with with the british have moved and apprehended suspects..using a sophisicated global network...we can't find a 6'3" arab with a long beard who rides a donkey..lives in a cave..in a specific region.and has arguably the most famous face on the planet....can anyone explain that to me??
Posted by dennis at July 30, 2005 05:03 AMthe clowns have spoken..the brits have cameras
Posted by dennis at July 30, 2005 06:46 AMBrits did not waste time feeling up grannies and confiscating nail clippers
In short, the Brits did not try to appease ungrateful leftist twits who cry anytime someone points out their shortcomings
yeah, i remember the aclu calling for all those searches. damn that aclu for beginning these government practices that they don't support and have nothing to do with!
(are the trolls sniffing glue these days, or is it something in the water?)
It helps when there is a camera on every corner. How do you think they found them so fast? Cameras.
So, how would this have stopped two passenger jets from hiting the World Trade Center? How did cameras stop the London bombings?
Brits had thousands of videocams around London. ACLU refuses to allow that here
What a tard. There are cameras everywhere and we're getting more all the time. Christ! They fly cameras on blimps. The reason you don't have cameras is Bushco.
In short, the Brits did not try to appease ungrateful leftist twits who cry anytime someone points out their shortcomings
The British got their perps through police work. We don't get our perps because of Bushco. We do have lots of capability, though. With the NSA recording every online activity and communication worldwide, where do you think those White House email leaks are coming from? Payback from the CIA for Bushco outing a CIA operative leading to the death of numerous CIA agents and operatives in the world.
We've appeased the right and their activities in this country long enough. Jail these traitors. It's a simple prescription.
6'3" arab with a long beard who rides a donkey..lives in a cave..in a specific region.and has arguably the most famous face on the planet
You forgot he part where he needs advanced medical care and dialysis machines. I guess portable dialyzers are really common in the third world.
Posted by phidipides at July 30, 2005 07:53 AMhow is it that the bin laden family was allowed to leave this country after 9/11?...where were most of the hyjackers from?..what country is the most fervent Islamic fundamentalist? why is our fraud in charge seen kissing and holding hands with it's leader?..what frauds family has close ties to oil and the saudi family....what frauds father has close ties to the carlyle group with vast holdings in the middle east?....
Posted by dennis at July 30, 2005 08:41 AMhow is it that the bin laden family was allowed to leave this country after 9/11?
what, you want them here? besides, there's dozens of bin ladens. you think we can interrogate them all? stupid libs.
...where were most of the hyjackers from?
iranq?
..what country is the most fervent Islamic fundamentalist? why is our fraud in charge seen kissing and holding hands with it's leader?
the saudis are better than you, i mean us americans
..what frauds family has close ties to oil and the saudi family....what frauds father has close ties to the carlyle group with vast holdings in the middle east?....
so my idol is owned by a fundamentalist regime. so what?
Is slightly smarter joking? That's one of the funnier things I've recently read. "iranq?"
Posted by Brian Bell at July 30, 2005 09:18 AMiranq?
BIG GRIN!!!!
Posted by phidipides at July 30, 2005 11:02 AMSo, how would this have stopped two passenger jets from hiting the World Trade Center? How did cameras stop the London bombings?
If these cameras good see into the future maybe.
I'll explain since it's over your head. Do you recall the attempted bombings soon after? Since those morons didn't blow them selves up, the Brit's were able to find out who they were from the video footage. They were soon arrested and in custody and no longer able to blow more shit up. I'm sure they are now naked in some dark dank basement being tortured.
If you would read the first paragraph in Steve's post you would now what we were responding to. Steve was attempting to say the Brit's are better than we are at and finding terrorists. But he left out the part why. They have a hell of a lot more experience at it and they don't have all the political B.S. to deal with like we do.
Posted by Centrist at July 30, 2005 12:24 PMWhen it comes to the world trade towers and the pentagon, I have always felt that American big shots were in back of it. Pictures that I have seen of the Pentagon indicate that the hole supposedly made by a passenger jet, wasn't large enough for that. How about those remote controlled gliders with collapsable wings that Norad has?
Posted by Joan at July 30, 2005 05:30 PMEngland doesn't have the "politically correct" hoops to jump through. They're kind of no nonsense about rounding up those responsible. They do ethnic profiling.
Posted by muckdog at July 31, 2005 10:07 AM