Someone needs to lay hands on Pat and cast out the demons that have inhabited that man's body for 30 years.
Posted by idiosynchronic at August 22, 2005 02:11 PMPat should worry about the "thorn in his own side" before trying to kill off Chavez.
His ilk has killed many a Christian thinking that support of his ministry is going to send them to heaven.
Posted by WarriorEthos at August 22, 2005 02:23 PMI have a conservative and fundamentalist friend who tells me:
1) the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is mistranslated, the commandment really says "Thou shalt not murder." (I asked him for precise definitions of the words and was not satisfied with the response).
2) that the 10 commandments are not binding on the leader of a country. (I am not making this up)
I am not sure what Robertson believes about the commandments, but I sure would love to hear how the assassination of Chavez would not be a sinful disregard of the word of God.
wait -- i thought the activist judiciary posed the greatest threat to our country -- even more than terroists -- according to pat a month or two ago. . . and to think so very many people have listened to him for so very many years. . .
Posted by at August 22, 2005 02:28 PMWouldn't a public statement calling for an assasination be prosecutable under anti-terrorism legislation? Or doesn't it count if the individual being targetted isn't a US citizen? Or does the law actually only apply to those persons that don't give support to Republicans?
Posted by Dale at August 22, 2005 02:47 PMPoor Pat. He was so looking forward to four more wars (that included Venezuela) and now it's looking more and more like GWB can't get out of the ones he already started.
How dare Chavez and all those Muslim in the ME to keep living on top of our oil.
Posted by Marie at August 22, 2005 02:47 PMMaybe if robertson prayed harder? He got such good results with the hurricane and the supreme court justices.
Posted by Jim Faith at August 22, 2005 02:51 PMI consider the commandment to be "Thou shalt not murder". Lots of killing is allowed--in self-defense for example.
From www.religioustolerance.org:
The Hebrew word "ratsach" is translated as "kill" in the King James Version, Revised Standard Version, American Standard Version, and some other translations of the Bible. However, it is difficult to apply this in practice. Killing chickens and beef cattle is legal now as it was in biblical times. Nobody today is concerned about pulling vegetables from the garden, even though it kills them. The word "ratsach" is commonly believed to describe the premeditated killing of a human. It requires that the victim be a human being. Many other translations translate "ratsach" as "murder" in this verse. (emphasis mine)
I've never heard of it not applying to the leader of a country.
Posted by CG at August 22, 2005 02:52 PMMaybe someone should sic Arlen Specter on Robertson's ass.
Posted by iamcoyote at August 22, 2005 03:41 PMThat's really weird. I just said the same thing a week or so ago at a party.
Posted by Toby Petzold at August 22, 2005 03:48 PMAnd yet there still will be thousands of viewers today who will nod their Christian heads and send off more money to Pat.
Well, let's see: This "Chavez": He's brown, right? Not a white guy who ended up with a latin name by some weird accident of history? (Hey, shit happens...)
I think we can chalk the permissibility of this one up to the "Thou May Kill Brown Folks when convenient" exception to the "Thou Shalt Not Murder Rule," an exception which would have been written into the Bible, 'cept all the folks actually IN the Bible was brown. Now that all right-thinkin' folks is white, it's okay to put it in there now, like God intended. See?
Posted by dj moonbat at August 22, 2005 03:52 PMDon't forget the other exception: thou shalt not murder--unless someone needs killin'.
Posted by CG at August 22, 2005 05:04 PMAnd the problem is...?
Posted by Al at August 22, 2005 05:10 PMDear Pat:
It's a damn shame that you seem to adhere to only nine of the commandments. You, sir, are a frigging moron.
Posted by tempus at August 22, 2005 05:18 PMThe man's been taken over by evil. That's easy to see. What other excuse could there be?
Posted by M at August 22, 2005 05:22 PMHummm, let's see now, big oil prodoucer, non-moslem supply and close by,great!
Posted by cosmic muffin at August 22, 2005 05:31 PMThat's really weird. I just said the same thing a week or so ago at a party......another Kool Aid party..Tubby?
Posted by Goyo at August 22, 2005 05:33 PMIt's a damn shame that you seem to adhere to only nine of the commandments.
Wouldn't put any money on it that he adheres to those either.
Posted by Marie at August 22, 2005 05:39 PMAl,
Read up a bit on the US involvement in Central and South America, first. I can recommend a reading list if you wish. Second, there's that nagging little problem of the double standard, i.e. who decides whether or not to deem someone's calling for another's assassination an act of terror. And third, there's that Posada thang, i.e. The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela regards him as a terrorist, but the US is keeping him (not in Gitmo BTW).
But other than that, it is just Pat being Pat, which is a problem in and of itself.
How's this Al: Pat must be getting old. Is it ok for me to hope he dies soon of something like, say stroke, cancer, or heart failure? I won't because despite the fact that he is obnoxious and crooked, he can go on stealing from his flock. I wish him no harm. Even though he is an unrepentant nut case, and very well may incite some nut job to go out and kill/murder/off/dispence with -- whatever label makes you happy -- someone, I don't think it justifies hoping the same fate befalls him.
And that's the difference. Pat wants another dead. I could never imagine wanting that for anyone. Pat is cleary closer to God than me, so I guess that kind of sums it up. I'm sure that God listens to him. He doesn't listen to me because I don't really want to talk to him/her/it. My faith, though shaken, still resides in the ultimate good of humanity.
Posted by at August 22, 2005 05:46 PM"that the 10 commandments are not binding on the leader of a country."
This is a perfect example of how fucked-up some fundamentalists are. I don't remember Jesus saying "hey, everyone follow the Ten Commandments except those of you in Government."
Pat Robertson left the Christian ministry years ago. His show has become a shill for this WH.
Posted by Juidth at August 22, 2005 05:58 PMSo I guess that not applying to the leaders of countries thing works for Clinton too eh?
You know. Not coveting your neighbors wife and all that.
Posted by muckcat at August 22, 2005 06:08 PMKill Hugo? Sounds cool but lets wait until he and Castro get together for another love fest. Bonus points if Kim Jong Il stops by for a meal.
Posted by Cyber Sarge at August 22, 2005 06:13 PMmuckcat is SOOOO right!!! Adultery is SOOOO much worse than calling for the assassination of a foreign leader! Or praying for the disability or death of a Supreme Court member!
Posted by VKW at August 22, 2005 06:14 PM"Wouldn't a public statement calling for an assasination be prosecutable under anti-terrorism legislation?"
I think it depends on how much oil they're sitting on.
Posted by k at August 22, 2005 06:24 PMI just contacted my congressman, and ask that he pursue this matter with the FCC. He just might do it, too.
Of course, it's not a flash of tit, but it's nonetheless pretty doggone offensive.
Posted by Sonoma at August 22, 2005 06:25 PMsorry, i forgot to lay claim to the long post to Al above.
forgive me, Pat?
Posted by dorita at August 22, 2005 06:32 PMSonoma, I'll go to that well, too. Good idea.
That's really weird. I just said the same thing a week or so ago at a party.
BEGONE DEMON!
*whap*
Posted by at August 22, 2005 06:52 PMthanks
Posted by asst. zookeeper at August 22, 2005 07:18 PMI've agreed to be godfather to Connie's baby.
Posted by Toby Petzold at August 22, 2005 07:59 PMyes, that chavez is a threat to democracy.
Posted by prince bandar at August 22, 2005 08:36 PMWhy does this man have a broadcast license?
Posted by emeldir at August 22, 2005 08:43 PMWhat is the matter with the like of Pat Robertson a self proclaim Christian evangelist who is probably is a charlatan that stolen more money from his religious listeners, who where looking for salvation, to enrich his personal coffers. I will never forget Jimmy Bakers that was so an eloquent speaker that used God names and prayer for so many followers to gives him money that he even had a dog house with air conditioner that the people that sent that money were not able to afford it in their houses. Pat Roberson is as bad as Baker. When he closed his eyes and prayed for another Supreme Court to die!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is no better then the KKK.
I do have a problem with Robert’s nomination. It is not about abortion. It is about his meeting with Gonzales and our pretzel GWB
While presiding over a case that had as defendant, President Bush, and Rumsfelt, Robert did meet with Gonzales and Bush. Than did reject the Geneva Convention case. It was part of the Nixon impeached trials when congress was real! If this congress would do is impeach Bush Jr. It would show the world that we do not agree with his policies, know that he lied to all of us
Robert has been so involved in both bush administration that I have a feeling that he is the wrong man for the jobs. Problems of this that this also happen during the Nixon time and was a part of hid impeachment. I think that Bush should be impeached!
What is the matter with the like of Pat Robertson a self proclaim Christian evangelist who is probably is a charlatan that stolen more money from his religious listeners, who where looking for salvation, to enrich his personal coffers. I will never forget Jimmy Bakers that was so an eloquent speaker that used God names and prayer for so many followers to gives him money that he even had a dog house with air conditioner that the people that sent that money were not able to afford it in their houses. Pat Roberson is as bad as Baker. When he closed his eyes and prayed for another Supreme Court to die!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is no better then the KKK.
I do have a problem with Robert’s nomination. It is not about abortion. It is about his meeting with Gonzales and our pretzel GWB
While presiding over a case that had as defendant, President Bush, and Rumsfelt, Robert did meet with Gonzales and Bush. Than did reject the Geneva Convention case. It was part of the Nixon impeached trials when congress was real! If this congress would do is impeach Bush Jr. It would show the world that we do not agree with his policies, know that he lied to all of us
Robert has been so involved in both bush administration that I have a feeling that he is the wrong man for the jobs. Problems of this that this also happen during the Nixon time and was a part of hid impeachment. I think that Bush should be impeached!
Pat Robertson Calls For Hugo Chavez's Assassination Today
That good Christian Pat Robertson came out on his show today and called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez. And yet there still will be thousands of viewers today who will nod their Christian heads and send off more money to Pat.
If I called for the killing of some politician in this Country, how long do you think my stay in prison would be? It should not be any different for calling for the killing of anyone, domestically or internationally. Robertson should be stripped of his right to media access.
Posted by Judith at August 22, 2005 10:27 PMMuckcat - Don't forget to bury your turds when you leave you pussy.
Al - ohhhhhhhhh, Chavez is a socialist, ohhhh my gawd! Get over it...
Posted by cynskeptirealist at August 23, 2005 02:48 AMDoes Robertson's 700 Club still qualify for a tax exemption as a charity? I believe what he is doing now is political lobbying and as a charity may be in violation of section 501 (c)(3) of the IRC. faith based initiavives, my ass.
Posted by ann at August 23, 2005 05:14 AMDear God:
Is it not time to call Pat Robertson to come to You like You did Oral Roberts a few years back?
Amen.
Muckcat - Don't forget to bury your turds when you leave you pussy.
I suppose I'd have to bury them before I left, no? I mean how could I bury them when I leave? Unless in the very act of leaving I somehow manage to simultaneously bury my turds? I suppose it's possible.
cynskeptirealist
cynskeptirealist?
Posted by muckcat at August 23, 2005 06:51 AMI have to admit that it is ammusing how the wingers hate Chavez. Their dumbass leader and his go it alone policies have pushed the entire world to the left. Nobody wants to be associated with the criminal Bushies.
When you look at all of the left-wingers running the world today, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
Posted by Growth Factor at August 23, 2005 07:04 AMAnd you wonder why people hate us so much.
Posted by Judith at August 23, 2005 07:12 AMThat "do not kill/murder" rule is a biggy regardless of which word you use. I can understand how world leaders might find it especially problematic. In times past, probably when considering engaging in war for profit and revenge, a world leader must have had difficulty resolving the conflict between (his) personal agenda and religious teachings. Now all world leaders know that God is on their side and personnally selected them for the job. If God selected them then surely he (male gender for God is approprate here) agrees and supports the world leader in the pursuit of his personal agenda. Therefore, it only makes sense to change the religion rather than their personal war agenda. Besides, if the commandments don't apply to the world leader, all those in his employ are off the hook too for the commandments they break. In fact, the only ones left who must abide by the rules/law/commandments are the civilians. This works out great as it makes it easier to kill/murder any civilian with the audicity to think for themselves. Yes, changing the rules of the religion is the perfect solution.
Posted by OffTheFence at August 23, 2005 07:12 AMSo, Robertson's god tells him we should murder Chavez. What do you suppose Chavez's god tells him about Robertson? Why does the right wing think that they have exclusivity with God? And why do they think that God supports their politics?
Posted by ann at August 23, 2005 07:35 AMYes. The irony is thick. The wests iman advocating the violent murder of someone he sees as a threat.
Murder in the name of God. Where have I heard that before?
Posted by at August 23, 2005 07:40 AMJudith:
Nobody hates Americans. I have to admit that if you watched Donald Trump on TV you would get the wrong impression. However, Americans are by and far really nice people, even Bible-thumping conservative Bush lovers. You can walk down the street in almost any US city (OK, not LA), and not worry at all. Incidentally, I am not American, so this is an unbiased view of things.
Posted by tempus at August 23, 2005 08:20 AMQ: What is the difference between Osama Bin Ladin and Pat Robertson?
A: A shave and a turban.
Posted by Marxist at August 23, 2005 09:14 AMThe thing I love about the right is how they are all for the noblest of noble causes (the fight for democracy) abroad, unless of course the duly elected leader of a nation is someone we don't like (Chavez, Aristide, etc.) Then we facilitate a coup. Chavez better look out...there may be a coup or, as the self-proclaimed modern-day Gabriel suggests, an assassination in his future...afterall, Venezuela does have oil.
Posted by the professor at August 23, 2005 10:29 AMann, the problem isn't that the right thinks God supports their politics, they KNOW he does. Big difference.
Posted by the professor at August 23, 2005 10:31 AMAs ridiculous as Pat's comments were - which are downright shocking - I wonder why he is getting so much airtplay?
What about the daily calls for death to ALL Westerners from "Muslim" clerics?
Why does our media not put as much attention to those blatent calls for "jihad"?
Sounds like political correctness being biased to me.
Posted by sam at August 23, 2005 01:47 PMSo that is what Clinton did wrong! He did'nt declare that God wanted him to have sex with the chunky chick that delivers the mail. Cause then it would have been o.k.! But I forgot, murder and war are lesser crimes. I am such a silly liberal!
Posted by D Bug at August 23, 2005 01:51 PMON FOX THE JUDGE SAID PAT CAN BE JAILED AND TRIED IN ENGLAND AND MANY COUNTRYS FOR WHAT HE SAID. IT IS NOW LAW AND INTERNATIONAL. BTW PAT'S REAL NAME IS MARION. HE IS NO JOHN WAYNE. PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMO
Posted by MarionPatROBERSONthe2cnd at August 23, 2005 05:00 PMRobertson is a moron.
Everyone should remember however his opinion carries no more weight then any other citizen's and proceed to ignore him. (Not that airing it on TV doesn't give it more exposure just that it should be ignored and has no value or applicablity to official US policy.) Meanwhile if there is a law that can be applied to end his broadcasts please use it apply the appropriate punishment to him.
What about the daily calls for death to ALL Westerners from "Muslim" clerics?
Why does our media not put as much attention to those blatent calls for "jihad"?
sam,
Where you been livin' that you haven't heard the media report on the muslim extremists? Didn't happen to notice it's been all war on terror all the time for the last 4 years? Or do you just have nothing truly thoughtful to say?
The point is, sam, that we're supposed to be better than them.
Get it?
No torture.
No slaughter of innocent civilians.
No assasinations of characters we don't like who happen to control an important resource we need a lot of.
Does that really need to be explained to you?
Posted by muckcat at August 23, 2005 06:28 PMTempus, I meant other countries hate America. When you have raving idiots like Pat Robertson on TV advocating the killing of a president of another country, it sure as hell doesn't create warm fuzzies.
Posted by Judith at August 24, 2005 02:19 AMThe Honorable Tony Blair
Prime Minister
10 Downing Street
London
Sir:
I write to draw your attention to a foreign advocate of hatred and violence who, for the safety of the British people, should be forbidden entry to the UK. I refer to the Reverend Pat Robertson, a radical Christian cleric based in the United States.
In the newspapers, you are quoted as follows: "The new grounds [for deportation] will include fostering hatred, advocating violence to further a person's beliefs, or justifying or validating such violence."
The Reverend Robertson's statements over the years, but most egregiously his recent public call for the assassination of the elected president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, would certainly seem to fulfill these grounds.
For the safety of your nation, and as the act of principled Christian, I strongly urge you to assure that this dangerous advocate of violence not be allowed to set foot within the United Kingdom.
Sincerely yours,
http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/page821.asp
Posted by Japandrew at August 24, 2005 08:44 AMsam, there's no relevence to your position. Who cares what they say, because it isn't about them, it's about what robertson said. His words, his call for death of a duly twice elected Western Leader who has the temerity to, gasp, talk to Fidel Castro, and, double gasp, preside over oil rich land.
If someone broke into your home and stole your possesions, what relevence would it have that the same thing happened in Germany or Tripoli or New Delhi? None.
I'm waiting to hear from the Democrats on this too.
Posted by Duckman GR at August 24, 2005 09:50 AMThe problem is not just what Robertson said it is in part what is happening to the culture of our country. I believe in freedom of speech and we have boys dying to defend our values, but who can really answer why?
I don’t believe in morality. I believe morality is a human word that has out lived its use that people now use as a license to pass judgment on others.
The definition of morality according to Merriam (a very good friend of mine that I consult often) is “conformity to ideals of right human conduct”. My problem with this is exactly “who” is defining the ideals of right human conduct these days?
I have watched as my President who swore he wasn’t a crook, resigned in disgrace when his knowledge and approval of criminal behavior surfaced. I have seen Religious and Political leaders confess on television to their extra marital affairs and beg for forgiveness on an all too regular basis. There are parents that send their children to school that never come home due to teenage violence and it has become just another blurb on the 5 o’clock news. And now, the infamous Pat Roberson once again…
Has this man ever actually READ the Bible? There is a little phase in there I think he missed. You know the one I’m talking about. Most people who have never even seen a Bible have heard of it once or twice. One of the tidbits Moses brought back with him after his audience with the Big Guy…. Thou shall not kill. When was that revised to read, Thou shall not kill unless for oil or political gain?
Are THESE the ideals of right human conduct we are expected to conform too? NO THANK YOU!
I have ethics and values. I believe in and know the difference in right and wrong. I do my best to live my life by the golden rule, and that is the truth I live by. But I don't ever what to be included in what this country calls the "moral majority".
Posted by Batteries not included at August 24, 2005 10:39 AMNow that the good reverend has apologized for calling for Chavez's assassination and suggested another felony, kidnapping, I think it's time to forgive and forget.
Posted by purvis ames at August 24, 2005 04:41 PMIf your governments in their infinite wisdom are deporting and/or confining radical religious leaders for preaching hate and violence, when is the Coalition of the Willing going to send Pat Robertson packing to Gitmo for demanding the assassination of a democratically elected leader?
Posted by Alex at August 25, 2005 11:16 AM