Michelle Malkin must be aquiver with anticipation. Her dream is almost realized. Oh, Oh, maybe there are some muslims amongst the evacuees.
Posted by j swift at September 8, 2005 08:45 AMJust goes to show you...this administration thinks it is criminal to be poor.
Posted by jillian at September 8, 2005 08:51 AM
I'm thinking the Bush administration should make Prozac over-the-counter for those of us who can't take any more physical and psychic trauma.
Does anyone have a take on when it'll be time to get the hell out of Dodge?
Is this why the Red Cross recommends keeping your passport in your "Disaster Supplies Kit"?
Posted by g at September 8, 2005 08:54 AMDid you people even read the Denver Post article?
The only ones complaining are the reporters. The people in the evacuation shelter love it and Colorado.
Please try to deal with reality.
Posted by j.west at September 8, 2005 09:01 AMLooks like a construction fence, not a barbed wire fence. Maybe it's to keep reporters OUT of what is now the equivalent of a private residence to these people. I live outside DC and I know they won't let reporters into the DC Armory where evacuees are because that's their PRIVATE space. Anyone is free to come out to talk to reporters and many have.
I don't understand why they aren't telling people where they're going though. That's just plain weird.
Posted by CG at September 8, 2005 09:16 AMI don't understand why they aren't telling people where they're going though. That's just plain weird.
They found that when they did tell people where they were going, the people didn't want to go. They didn't want to be further separated from family or sent to completely unfamiliar places. Seriously, if you were told you were being flown to Utah, would you want to go?
I'm just waiting to hear about a plane of evacuees being sent to Iraq.
Posted by ann at September 8, 2005 09:27 AMMakes sense I guess. Why don't they tell people and give them the choice. I'm sure some people would have loved to come to DC because they had relatives here. It makes no sense to leave the people with relatives here behind, while flying people in who have no ties to the area. Can they treat people like adults? I know it's still early, but is there any counseling going on--helping people with these types of decisions (if they are given the choice) since I'm sure they're kind of in shock?
Posted by CG at September 8, 2005 09:31 AMfrom Oklahoma "FEMA Detainment Camp"
A blogger in Oklahoma posts her account of delivering goods to an isolated FEMA facility for Hurricane Katrina survivors which feels to her more like a detainment camp than a shelter.
Two car loads of us headed over to Falls Creek, a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches in Oklahoma that agreed to have its facilities used to house Louisiana refugees. I'm afraid the camp is not going to be used as the kind people of the churches who own the cabins believe it was going to be used.
We then started lugging in our food products. The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: They will not be able to use the kitchen. Excuse me? I asked incredulously.
FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already inquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin.
FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and... it could cause a riot. It gets worse.
He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already inquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this.
The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow." Link.
"do we want to treat fellow Americans like this?" you mean, like we treated Native Americans?
Like we treated JapaneseAmericans during WWII? Like we treat anyone who looks Arab in Baghdad?
He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already inquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this.
Although I'm not an attorney, this sounds like a possible first amendment case to me. I wonder what dj moonbat thinks about this.
Posted by rlp at September 8, 2005 09:47 AMThe occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
What??? What is going on in this country?
Posted by at September 8, 2005 10:26 AMSorry, that was me above.
Posted by CG at September 8, 2005 10:26 AMHey Steve, remember I asked how soon this effort will be refered to as a gulag? Thanks Pessimist for following thru with the faith I have in the left.
Posted by peter at September 8, 2005 10:33 AMYou shouldn't should be thanking me! You should instead thank your C-Average Sovreign for destroying what's left of the Constitution, peter!
Posted by pessimist at September 8, 2005 10:42 AMThe very same C averaged guy you supported would only have been in office some 7 months and wouldn't have done anything different except raise taxes.
Posted by peter at September 8, 2005 10:51 AMNaw, Kerry isn't a coward like Bush. He also wouldn't have taken a five week vacation. He wouldn't have spent time in the tanning booth either.
Posted by Ga6thDem at September 8, 2005 10:54 AMNo more like Switzerland.
Posted by peter at September 8, 2005 10:58 AMJust want to throw a bone out there and help you think outside the box. Is it possible that part of the reason the people in these camps are so restricted is because they are being sort of "quarantined?" The flood waters were highly contaminated and West Nile, E. Coli and a couple of others are HIGHLY possible.
If that's the case, is it wise to go ahead and let them "roam" free until we really know?
Posted by JustCurious at September 8, 2005 11:06 AMJust want to throw a bone out there and help you think outside the box. Is it possible that part of the reason the people in these camps are so restricted is because they are being sort of "quarantined?"
No, I think it's the same sort of rationale about not being able to take Medicare & Medicaid patients out of nursing homes for more than a few hours. In the thinking of those who restrict social service programs at the Fed level, if you can leave and get off their tab, you should.
My question is, how are these people supposed to find new jobs and get resettled if they are locked up 24/7? And what are they supposed to do with those 2K debit cards if they can't leave?
Posted by ann at September 8, 2005 11:26 AMpessimist,
In the coming weeks the images of starving people at the convention center and Superdome will be superimposed over the pictures of rows of trucks loaded with supplies. The voice-over will be explaining that Governor Blanco order the trucks to stay put, that if these people are given food and water it would only encourge them to stay.
Pictures of drowned victims will play side by side with the visuals of empty unused school buses that could have taken people to safety.
The next segments of every news show will feature Bush and every other republican imaginable passing out billions of aid to the poor. This will continue, month after month, project after project, for years to come.
Expertly coordinated events for passing out schools, housing, jobs and every other conceivable bit of largess will have the extensive coverage of a responsive and caring republican party. Democrats will be seen bobbing up and down in the background of photos, trying to be noticed.
If you think the media is pro-Bush now, just wait. Preliminary numbers indicate that FOX increased viewers at the expense of CNN, MSNBC and the majors during the disaster coverage. The slant will change to pro-Bush due to self-preservation reactions by the anchors and reporters - not by any dictate by their "corporate masters".
Bush has just started the ball rolling with $2000 gifts. This is just the start.
Images such as the one posted on this thread, trying to invoke a negative response by likening FEMA centers to interment camps, will not work.
I realize that this may not seem fair, but that's politics.
Posted by j.west at September 8, 2005 11:31 AMI am willing to bet that the repubs simply do not want "these people" with the rest of their red state population. The ultimate goal is probably to keep these people isolated long enough to get Louisiana back to something that looks somewhat reasonable, i.e., without too much disease. Then they plan to take them all back and dump them where they came from. Remember Barbara finds the idea of them wanting to stay in the neighborhood as "frightening"
Posted by at September 8, 2005 11:39 AMNice fairy tale j. west.
Posted by at September 8, 2005 11:47 AMWhy is America less prepaired for a major disater then it was pre 911?
I's a simple question.
Oh that Karl Rove ;-) Just like him to lock black folks up behind barbwire. I am surprised he didn't just call in the black helicopters with un troops and dispatch with the whole lot. There I jabbed at the silly left and right in the same rant. Has anyone actually been to, seen, and maybe talked to anyone at these "concentration camps"? There could be a million reasons (medical being one) that they want to isolate people who escaped New Orleans. Give up the Kool Aid for a couple of days and see if they make them dig ditches and take the obligatory "shower".
Posted by Cyber Sarge at September 8, 2005 11:54 AMMalkin must be looking at these pictures and pounding her clit with a Dubya dildo shouting "Mien Fuhrer, I can cum!"
Posted by at September 8, 2005 12:07 PMWhy is America less prepaired for a major disater then it was pre 911?
Because we have incompetents at the helm.
Digby has something to add to this. Read the next post as well to get an idea where this is all heading.
Posted by iamcoyote at September 8, 2005 12:11 PMAnd who was it said those FEMA "prison camps" were an urban legend?
I seem to recall they didn't tell the ghetto Jews where the box cars were going, either.
I'm usually not a shrill sort of guy -- but I honestly believe if these were white people, they'd have been sorted out by job skills and preferred destination, and given access to computer terminals, resume paper and outplacement counseling -- not herded into pens like cattle.
Posted by at September 8, 2005 12:20 PMSorry, that unattribute post was me.
Posted by Rotwang at September 8, 2005 12:21 PMTo all in the "reality" community...
If you have the time, read this from the Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-gutfeld/huffpo-emergency-bush-bas_b_7035.html
Posted by j.west at September 8, 2005 12:40 PMgee, j west that guy's like mark twain. making fun of hollywood. ouch, that smarts!
Posted by at September 8, 2005 12:43 PMand a "henna tattoo" joke. oh, my sides. did i say mark twain? he's a cross between twain, swift and lenny bruce! even funnier than dennis miller, if you can believe that. he even parodies obscure lefty bloggers! what a rapier wit!
Posted by benjoya at September 8, 2005 12:50 PMJust thought it was amusing.
You have to admit, a good deal of their guest bloggers are not the brightest lights in the liberal chandellier.
Posted by j.west at September 8, 2005 12:51 PMok, you got a point
Posted by benjoya at September 8, 2005 12:56 PMj.west, stay around, I'm going to need some company. Great post.
Posted by peter at September 8, 2005 12:59 PMJust to enlighten me a bit on the workings of the liberal mind, what is the general view of Penn & Teller's "Bullshit"?
Posted by j.west at September 8, 2005 01:09 PMpenn & teller was funny 20 years ago
Posted by at September 8, 2005 01:13 PMTeller wouldn't say.
Posted by at September 8, 2005 01:13 PMthe usual bunch: j west, peter et al...why not Cheney yourselves?
Posted by headxray at September 8, 2005 01:21 PMPessimist, assuming the real truth comes out on this subject in the future, will you please report on this again. Just the facts. I have faith in you.
Posted by The Old Man at September 8, 2005 01:34 PMI'll post everything I find, Old Man - good or bad.
Posted by pessimist at September 8, 2005 01:53 PMNew hurricane off Florida.
The Mexican Army has crossed the border and is heading to San Antonio with aid for the survivors there.
I'll be looking for what you have to say, good or bad.
Posted by peter at September 8, 2005 01:59 PMpeter, where is the Mexican army headed, the Alamo?
Posted by T2 at September 8, 2005 02:09 PMT2
Actually it is headed to help the survivors. Exactly where I don't know.
I cannot understand why someone would not be asked where they wanted to relocate. It just doesn't make sense. Hell would freeze over before I would get on some plane and not know where in the hell I was going. Would they treat people, say of Greenwich, Connecticut, like this. I think not.
Posted by Judith at September 8, 2005 06:40 PMThe Mexican Army went to SA with mobile kitchens and medical personnel. They are unarmed for any concerned. You know who you are.
I don't know about other states or cities, but in Houston, there are computers and phone banks available to evacuees. When I was at the Toyota Center last night, there were lines of phones and pc's set up for the folks staying over at the Convention Center to use. There are other groups with computer centers, too, like a ministry group taking in and helping people who have become frustrated with being sent on goose chases.
Area school districts are hiring teachers who are evacuees. We've got 2000 new children in school. I haven't heard any numbers on university students. My department (very small) got one evacuee. BTW that very student is going with me to volunteer at the convention center tomorrow.
Mayoe Bill White is also trying to get extra money to people who are helping by housing evacuees. There are a couple of people on the council who are being stubborn, but Bill will get it worked out.
There's a job fair on Sat. 1500 jobs to be offered.
Why can't the rest of the country get it right? We've got more people here than anywhere else and everything is moving along. I know the answer to the question. We have a sane, caring, competant leader. I have never been so grateful to live in this city.
One last thought. A hotel promised that it would honor Red Cross vouchers for evacuees staying there and then renigged. One person stepped up to the plate and paid $40K to cover them for a month.
Lastly, the medical argument is completely fallacious.
Posted by dorita at September 8, 2005 07:49 PMDorito, thank you so much for updating us on what is happening in your area. We were told that planes would be bringing in survivors Monday night. Then it was Tuesday night, then Wednesday night, and finally tonight the first survivors arrived. To update you, my Sister is still waiting to find out who will be using the family home in St. Genevieve. We all looks forward to meeting whomever it is, and welcoming them.
Posted by Judith at September 8, 2005 08:40 PMJudith, let me know if you all need anything. I will do my best to find it :) Thanks to your family, too.
You know we are all in this together. The ones in power have let us down, except a few. My thoughts are torn. I feel that the political leanings I have had since I was a teen are even stronger now.
There is no political party that represents me in this country -- never has.
I am rethinking everything.
Take care and let me know if you all need anything -- I'm slow on the email response, but trying to do better. I'll put it on this comment.
Posted by dorita at September 8, 2005 10:00 PMJudith, for some reason the email didn't come up -- it is ladonne35@yahoo.com
Posted by dorita at September 8, 2005 10:04 PMA must read:
I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp
Link Fixed - p
Thanks Dorita. May God bless you and all your efforts.
Posted by Judith at September 9, 2005 04:21 AMJudith, please thank your family for the donation of the St. Genevieve home. I live in St. Peters, and aware of the beauty of St. Genevieve. It is a great location to try to reconstruct your life. I am heartened by the more constructive tone today. I realize that people need to vent, but sooner or later it gets boring. Maybe I am a gullible optimist, but I believe that the truth will be known, and those that have suffered will have a better future. I would like to see a program to guarantee a thorough education for the children of the poorest, so the children do not follow the economic paths of their parents. Their are many here more educated and intelligent than I, maybe you would be interested to give your opinions.
Posted by The Old Man at September 9, 2005 09:03 AMRefugees Detained in Oklahoma -- can't cook, can't leave the compound for 5 months, can't even go to church...
Not 'refugees' but 'detainees'
By Evan Derkacz
Posted on September 8, 2005, Printed on September 9, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/25229/
"Jesse Jackson was right when he said "refugees" was not the appropriate word for the poor souls dislocated due to Katrina. But he was wrong about why it is not appropriate. It's not appropriate because they are detainees, not refugees."
A volunteer in Oklahoma visited an ad hoc shelter set up by -- who else? -- FEMA in remote Falls Creek, "a youth camp for Southern Baptist churches." What she finds is a shelter with a decidedly authoritarian bent:
The foods I had purchased were mainly snacks, but my mother - God bless her soul - had gone all out with fresh vegetables, fruits, canned goods, breakfast cereals, rice, and pancake fixings. That's when we got the next message: "They will not be able to use the kitchen."
"Excuse me?" I asked incredulously.
FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook." In fact, the "host" goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs -- and ...
It gets worse.
He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
My son looks at me and mumbles, "Welcome to Krakow."
And it just goes downhill from there ... A must-read.
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http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
I just got back from a FEMA Detainment Camp
I'm extremely depressed to report that things seem to only be getting sadder
concerning the people so devastatingly affected by Katrina last week.
CHECK OUT THE LINK ABOVE FOR YOURSELF, THERE ARE 17 PAGES OF COMMENTARY AND THEY DEAL WITH THE BOGUS IDEA OF MEDICAL QUARENTINE. VERY THOUGHTFUL POSTS.
Posted by Elena David at September 14, 2005 06:00 AMFEMA is refusing to reveal to aid groups the locations of thousands of citizens forced out of their homes by "Hurrican Charley", citing "privacy restrictions".
original news source:
FEMA Rule Blocking Aid to Seniors - www.heraldtribune.com
Some elderly citizens forced out of their homes by Hurricane Charley are missing out on vital help, including meals, transportation and in-home care, because federal officials won't tell government aid groups where they are.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency has Temporarily relocated thousands of Charlotte County residents -- many of them senior citizens -- whose homes were destroyed or seriously damaged by the Aug. 13 storm. But, citing federal privacy
protection rules, the agency has refused to say who has been relocated, or where they've been sent.
Travis and other officials said their complaints to FEMA officials have gone nowhere. But in response to an inquiry about the problem Tuesday, FEMA deputy federal coordinating officer Brad Gair vowed to find a way to ensure hurricane
victims' privacy while getting them access to services.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Where have these people gone??
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread167902/pg9
Posted by Elena David at September 14, 2005 06:02 AMFEMA is giving proof that the have the "Final Solution" in their concentration camps.
I'm sure that all the Detainees are not being treated the same, some will be showpiece "Potemkin Village" type propaganda but ohers may well end up in the CIA MK-ULTRA mind-control torture programs that we have seen in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib.
Look up MK-ULTRA Senate Hearings online for this continuations of the Nazi human experimentations done by the Bush,Sr. CIA for decades on Americans and Canadians - see Dr.Ewan Cameran and Dr. Louis "Jolly" West and the Biscuits program using psychiatrist and medical personnel to use their knowledge in the torture mind control. The International Red Cross was shocked by witnessing this and put it in their report on Guantanamo Bay.
TheDoodAbides.com has a page Ethical Biscuits with the hard to find email addresses of the Ethical Societies for Medical Doctors, Psychiatrists and Attorneys to urge them to investigate and call for a halt to this inhumanity.
Look up Prescott Bush + Nazis and the ratline he ran to South America with top Nazi human experimenters, how did Dr. Mengeles end up in South America when the American troops captured him at Auschwitz?
Go to raven1.net and ACHES to read the testimony of those who were tortured at Allen Memorial by Dr. Cameran and one victim won a suit against the CIA. The Greenbaum Speech given by Dr. Hammond to the Psychiatric Association is must reading if you care about the number of American children who disappear each year and the FBI does not even keept statistics on disappeared children. Read The Finders and the McMartin School and John DeCamp's book The Franklin Coverup or Cathy Brice's Trance-formation of America or Cathy O'Brien's story with Ted Gunderson helping her escape from Bush Senior and his mind control program.
And then there is that report I have noted in recent days of the 1,000 evacuees flown
to Roosevelt Roads naval base on Puerto Rico's eastern tip. What of them?
Why Puerto Rico? FEMA is trying to create as much confusion so that thousands of people who survived the hurricane can be used in very sick Nazi experiments such as what is going on at Gitmo.
Please send questions to http://www.Congress.org/ and media:
Why are Evacuees Being Sent to Puerto Rico Against Their Will?
The Katrina Evacuees are being treated like POWs behind fences, not allowed to leave with heavy military guard. Please investigate and help these survivors of Katrina who are being treated like Gitmo detainees. They haven't committed any crime! The following article has a photograph of two very unhappy, oppressed and worn looking women behind orange fence.
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