That poverty has roots in a history of racial discrimination, which cut off generations from the opportunity of America. We have a duty to confront this poverty with bold action.
But not as bold as say....Affirmative Action?
Can that be interpreted as anything less than a tacit recognition that the legacy of discrimination in this country can only be addressed via proactive means.
Does the Bush administration now support Affirmative Action?
Posted by snark at September 15, 2005 07:27 PMAffirmative action: So promoting people based solely on race helps them? Surely this destructive and racist ideology has been discredited even here in the far corners of the left?
Posted by Hindu at September 15, 2005 07:34 PMCouldn't stand to watch him. What put me off most was the camera angle. It was situated lower than the podium, pointing UP. It tried to affect an image of a slightly towering Leader, speaking down to the people. As if he knew more than we. I was much less than mightily impressed.
Posted by ilboabn0 at September 15, 2005 07:39 PMDidn't watch it. Did he take a potty break?
Posted by Red_Neck_Repub at September 15, 2005 07:44 PMSo promoting people based solely on race helps them?
Hindu no one here expects you to understand the concept behind affirmative action but you don't need to go out of your way to show us how ignorant you are.
Here's a hint; The key to understanding it is in this key phrase ...cut off generations from the opportunity of America.
It's an intergenerational problem Hindu. The goal is to break the chain of poverty that gets passed from one generation to the next. So yes, some get preferential treatment based on the fact that they are members of a segment of society that has been discriminated against historically in the belief that that benefit will help to keep the following generations from perpetuating the cycle. Same concept as preventative medicine. If you keep someone from getting sick in the first place they will be much less of a drain on society later.
Posted by snark at September 15, 2005 07:47 PMHindu, your stay here has lasted far too long. Now you are advertising your itty bitty blogspot. Ask Toby or Muckie how that's working for them. Not much traffic if you look.
This thread is not about affirmative action. It is about the w's speach. If you don't mind, could you stay on topic -- for this thread?
Suggested topics: the speach, the problems with paying for the proposals, the reconstruction of NOLA.
Is that a statue of Andrew Jackson?
After all the claims of Racism in the Katrina response, did Bush just make a major speech with a statue of confederate leader Andrew Jackson over his shoulder?
http://bornatthecrestoftheempire.blogspot.com/
Posted by mike votes at September 15, 2005 07:52 PMBut the quote from the speech clearly alludes to affirmative action. And he referred to fostering small businesses inclucing minority owned businesses. Bush made the link. Poverty is linked to racial discrimination. Why not hold him to his words?
Posted by snark at September 15, 2005 07:55 PMIs that a statue of Andrew Jackson?
Well it is called Jackson Square.
Posted by at September 15, 2005 07:59 PM$200 billion.
Hmm...
Since bush is on a spending spree, how bout some universal health care?
Posted by dave at September 15, 2005 07:59 PMSorry boys and girls, but you have missed the important little details. One that stinks was the startling revelation that my tax money will be going to religious groups to re-pay them for their charity.WTF?????Is it still frickin charity? Backdoor people...wake up.
Next we come to the part about only the military can do this kind of thing. Bullshit! A FEMA that wasn't run by Bush toadies could handle it. Its the end of posse comities, hello Army paratroopers battling the crips and bloods in Compton. Better than a lecture by Pickels, but still?
We have seen little visions of third world. Get ready for more. I can't believe this is America.
Posted by SnarkyShark at September 15, 2005 08:07 PMWell, let's see. I wonder if Dear Leader knows how silly he looks in a Kevlar flack jacket, trying desperately not to have it show. And the teleprompter delivery was almost laughable.
Speaking of which, old Georgie had a hard time keeping a straight face during his "compassionate" speech. He was just about laughing at one or two points.
And now, Pat Robertson and "Army of Compassion" are in charge of the disaster recovery. God had better bless America, 'cause that's about all the help any non-entrepreneur is going to get.
Incidentally, I discovered that my television can survive three direct hits with empty beer cans. Pity.
Posted by tempus at September 15, 2005 08:09 PMDorito,
Not advertising anything. But as you wish, I'll leave behind the affirmative action subject snark brought up.
Speech: Yawn. But had to be done.
Paying for Proposals: I say ... raise taxes! That way we can kill the economy just as fast as Nagin and Blanco killed New Orleans!
Reconstruction of NOLA: This will happen faster and better than all the pessimists can imagine. Entrepreneurs will move in and do the job that no government, state or federal, ever could.
Posted by Hindu at September 15, 2005 08:11 PMOh, and how is Bush going to pay for all of this?
Oh the most selfish generation will just shovel it off on the grandkids....its what they do.
Gotta make them thar tax cuts perminint an all. Kill the death tax=doubleplusgood.
Posted by SnarkyShark at September 15, 2005 08:12 PMReconstruction of NOLA: This will happen faster and better than all the pessimists can imagine. Entrepreneurs will move in and do the job that no government, state or federal, ever could.
Just like in Eye-rack?
What a tool. Nothing in Bush's tenure give any hope that anybody remotely competent will be in charge of all this. Half the money will end up in Swiss banks.
Lyin, Cheatin and stealin is all they know.
Posted by SnarkyShark at September 15, 2005 08:16 PMI would LOVE to have one of the "reporters" actually ask him which "government owned" properties he intends to have folks homestead on.
The Government owns a number of Superfund Cleanup Sites in Louisiana. I'm SURE that those places are what they truly have in mind.
Posted by jillian at September 15, 2005 08:17 PMThis will happen faster and better than all the pessimists can imagine. Entrepreneurs will move in and do the job that no government, state or federal, ever could.
Those same entrepreneurs who did such a bang up job building all over the marshlands in the first place? All they care about is the bottom line.
Rinse. Repeat.
LOL!
Posted by snark at September 15, 2005 08:18 PMHey mike! Good to see you :) I will get back to your spot soon promise.
snarkysnark -- I have already felt that ripple. The religious types took over the Convention Center here and bumped my hope of taking my students to help. They said as of last Friday -- don't come unless you are a member. And then the Moslims took over volunteering on 9/11. Did you know that?
I have been trying to give someone my TV and microwave. I tried with the local community first. No path. Tried with the religious community. Guess what? Bad email. I promise all of you that someone who needs it will get the TV and the oven.
To this day, I have been helping -- despite the limitations of time. So I shoot this off muck, bagley, hindu et al.: prove you have done something. I am so very tired of reading your tripe and adverts. Even if you have no religious affilliation, there are opportunities to help directly.
mikevotes -- i will get back to you -- i hope peter has not been too much of a burden.
Posted by dorita at September 15, 2005 08:26 PMJohn Kerry Responds to President Bush’s Speech to the Nation: “Leadership isn’t a speech or a toll-free number”
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=574
Posted by DemDaily at September 15, 2005 08:50 PMSlightly off topic, but CNN is reporting 109 Cubans have come ashore in Florida since Katrina hit and the Coast Guard were reassigned to disaster relief. The response of National Coastal Services:
"This is a looming crisis." How long do think it will take for the Administration to react to this earth-shattering, security-breaching invasion. Get out the Bradleys and RPGs fast. It will become a "Matter of National Importance" in minutes, not days. Absolute morons.
Helpful tip to refugees: if you are caught, just tell them your an entrepreneur, and you're in like Flint. Who needs the Simpsons when you can just watch ActionPres?
Posted by tempus at September 15, 2005 08:52 PMDorita, charity is a private thing for us superstitious churchgoin' types. But more than you has called me out so I'll just say this. Catholic Charities. Great way to go for anyone that is looking for a way to get involved with helping the poor in LA and all over the world.
Posted by Hindu at September 15, 2005 08:58 PMWhen will they ever learn? Immer noch they figure things out after the fact. Or, at least come up with some kind of excuse. Just once they need to figure these things out before they happen.
"Incidentally, I discovered that my television can survive three direct hits with empty beer cans. Pity.
Tempus, thanks for my evening laugh out loud."
Oh so I take the rebuke for calling you out because you do your thang silently. The point I made was that the religious types are taking over and that you can't prove you've done anything except maybe give money.
You don't even know what is happening here. Hindu, you have no clue.
Prove to me you live anywhere near where I am, then we can talk.
Posted by dorita at September 15, 2005 09:14 PMSnarkyShark, I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed this part of his speech:
"It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces – the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment’s notice."
Link this up to the neverending war on terror, the Patriot Act's suspension of civil liberties, the court-upheld "right" to detain American citizens indefinitely if they are labeled "enemy combatants," the overthrowing of the Geneva Conventions, and the increasing reliance on mercenary soldiers and...
can you say "police state"?
Scares the hell out of me.
Posted by Rana at September 15, 2005 09:18 PMHindu, you are so full of shit. Catholic Charities, yeah right. What ever.
Posted by at September 15, 2005 09:18 PMRana, "police state" is exactly where we are headed.
Posted by Judith at September 15, 2005 09:22 PMFor mike votes: Not sure whom you are confusing Andrew Jackson with. Jackson was the 7th president of the USA and died in 1845. Nothing confederate about him! His military claim to fame was the War of 1812. Some of us old timers remember the hit song sung by Johnny Horton, the Battle of New Orleans. Col.Jackson defeated the British in 1814, aided by the pirate Jean Lafitte. Seems to me he is also on the $20 bill.
Posted by bluemeadow at September 15, 2005 09:27 PMFunding? Come on you guys. We all know this was "Save George Bush's Ass" speech. It was pure bullshit. Right now he would promise anything, but in reality will deliver nothing. Remember how safe he told this Nation he had made it? Believe nothing he says, believe nothing he does.
Posted by Judith at September 15, 2005 09:40 PMRana-It made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
I can't believe the Black Helicopter folk aren't going batshit insane.
The only saving grace is...they are so frickin incompetent that they will probably turn the night of the long knives into a clown show.
Posted by SnarkyShark at September 15, 2005 09:46 PMAfter last night's spew, I've just about completed the design for a digital Idiot Filter for television. If it detects Dear Leader's grating whine, it immediately switches to Barry Manilow Unplugged, Roller Derby, or Nuclear Physics For Dummies. If it detects Cheney's melodious voice, it switches to Martha Stewart's Prison Secrets, or simply causes your TV to explode.
All profits from this entrepreneurial endeavor will be donated to the Halliburton Relief and Legal Defense Fund, and the Trent Lott Front Porch Improvement Society.
Posted by tempus at September 15, 2005 11:35 PMHell, I'm surprised more of _us_ aren't going insane about it.
But, except in this thread, I've seen nary a peep about it. That's also scary.
Posted by Rana at September 16, 2005 01:11 AMIf one were to cut out all the items culled from news reports, and all of the personal testimonials, King George really didn't have much to say.
I'm shocked.
Hell, I'm not, Pess. I actually watched the thing and picked up most of the content while getting my 1 year-old (no diaper! NO DIAPER!) ready for bed.
That speech was an attempt - a very poor and cynical attempt - to capitalize on the hopes people get when the President speaks. And you saw it in how flood survivors reacted on ABC in the post-speech interviews. These were the folks that had survived some of the worst in NO superdome and they were inspired and hopeful despite having been abandoned by their governments, specifically by the guy on the tube making promises to them and the country. These people want leadership and they want hope so desperately they'll belive the guy that let their lives turn into a living hell when he says Hope Is On The Way!
The Bush administration has once again used a massive tregedy and failure as an opportunity to do things that haven't flown with public or Congress before. They're going to start funding faith-based charities. They're making the armed forces the primary disaster response system. They're pushing the Ownership Society as the main support for the rebuilding of the dmagaed areas.
They're using the big disaster as a cover to greatly expand the reach & scope of the Federal Government and curtail the opportunities and rights of citizens.
Bush is going to have bounce in the polls this morning because he promised Hope in the form of federal programs that most people could care less about. They heard that the Government is going to help them fix things. When the public does start paying attention, hopefully they won't fall for the snake oil Bush is offering. That means we, and everyonelse on the left and center have got to be loudly telling the people that the snake oil offered last night isn't going to fix their problems.
That means the Democrats, since they're the opposition this morning, have got to make a better sale of Hope. They've got to come up with better ideas and tell the citizens why the snake oil ain't gonna work. Explain what this crap is and tell people what will fix their problems and sell their own Hope.
And I'm not holding my breath because I doubt they can do exactly that.
Posted by idiosynchronic at September 16, 2005 04:44 AMI couldn't bear to watch the whole thing...even watching the Red Sox lose was better than the little I watched of our new "blue collar" leader. I hate staged pageantry and empty rhetoric. Of course he said he would rebuild the city. What was he going to say, no we won't rebuild it. We won't help these people affected by it. For the love of God, it's so simple anyone can say these things...but let's see how and if they really do as they say. Let's hope the rebuilding goes better than Iraq and let's see how many of their fat cat corporate friends get rich off of the public's dime. kkKarl Rove in charge of the rebuilding effort...come on.
Posted by emal at September 16, 2005 05:01 AMtime for a tax cut..isn't that how everything gets paid for...wouldn't it have been wonderful to have had people in washington with foresight and competence...i've said it before here..there are two kinds of republicans..selfish or stupid..and at this point if you think that fraud in the white house deserves you support you're out of your fucking mind...he has been a disaster for america...and it's high time some of you clowns out there recognized it..you and your support of this administration have hurt this country..i think to the point of treason
Posted by dennis at September 16, 2005 05:02 AMgo red sox !!
Posted by dennis at September 16, 2005 05:04 AMtime for a tax cut..isn't that how everything gets paid for...
Rightoo! As long as we just kepp cuttin' government revenues will continue to climb, climb, climb!
Posted by snark at September 16, 2005 06:03 AM"It is now clear that a challenge on this scale requires greater federal authority and a broader role for the armed forces – the institution of our government most capable of massive logistical operations on a moment’s notice."
This is exactly what you liberals were screaming for 2 weeks ago.
While I tried to explain that laws had reasons for being in place, your blind Bush-hating knee jerk reaction was that he should have ignored the law and moved in without the governor's consent.
Be careful of what you wish for.
Posted by j.west at September 16, 2005 06:08 AMI think a lot of people were complaining about the impotence of FEMA, ya know, the Federal Emergency Managers. Not about the fact that the United States military is the only group capable of functioning effectively in such a disaster.
And are the armed forces an "institution of our government"?
Posted by Tim at September 16, 2005 06:15 AMHi Steve. Thanks for the transcript. I knew there was fine print and here it is (brought to you by Milton Bradley):
Within this zone, we should provide immediate incentives for job-creating investment blah, blah blah ad nauseum and now a word from our sponsor
Yep it's that should thingy. I smell a Halliburton coming.
"So play the game of Life...A Milton Bradley game"
Posted by Daryl at September 16, 2005 06:18 AMbush supporters should all be herded in pens and tattooed with a big B on their foreheads...so that they may share in the glory of their hero..and maybe have to answer some questions as to why this country is in the condition it's in...rudderless...there is no leadership...the country will be paying for this administrations ineptitude for a very very long time..in many ways..it's time some people are held accountable
Posted by dennis at September 16, 2005 06:26 AMhuh? someone called 'hindu' waxing poetic on catholic charities?
Posted by polimorf at September 16, 2005 06:34 AMFor mike votes: Jackson was indeed no Confederate, given his date of death, but he was a passionate expander of slavery and the plantation system and a near-genocidal "Indian fighter." As such, your moral impression of him is quite accurate - he is in many ways the patron saint of Southeastern political culture.
And as for the glorious Battle of New Orleans, which we Louisiana school kids loved to boast (and sing) about: it is Louisiana's only claim to military fame, and we were never to think about the fact that it was fought a month after the already pointless War of 1812. In the popular American imagination, it was that rugged individualist Andy Jackson (played by Charlton Heston in the movies) and his buckskinned Tennessee sharpshooters who won the day, aided by those other "mavericks" the pirate Lafitte brothers. In the real world, the decisive factor was a U.S. Navy flotilla that outmaneuvered and basically trapped the British ashore and two batteries of U.S. Army artillery that did the real gory work at the Chalmette battlefield. But the "private sector" always gets the credit, you know.
j.west's sophistries and continual use of the asinine Coulter-esque "you liberals" makes me think that he/she has no interest in persuading anybody, doesn't know what he/she is talking about with respect to liberals and liberalism, and feels a rather fungoid complacence with that ignorance. In short, an unserious and trivial person. Looking to see what he/she says has become boring. One senses that the real motivation for such behavior is an overwhelming desire to feel superior - now why would someone be so obsessed with that? Steve really needs to get Scoop.
the supreme court stole stole the election..god how i wish they hadn't done that...9/11 occurred...and the country had a nervous breakdown..with a looney tune in charge...it's time we started to recover from the breakdown ..the world will understand..we've become somewhat a pathetic figure...but they'll understand as we try to regain our sanity...but we have to try and recover....cut out the sickness (bushies)..and begin the long road to recovery..we can do it....but the cancer has to be removed
Posted by dennis at September 16, 2005 06:39 AMjlb,
Congratulations, you touched on everything but the point.
If there is some PC term for "you liberals", let me know.
Could you now point out to me the members of the "enlightened class" that agreed with me last week on why Bush couldn't and wouldn't move troops into New Orleans against the wishes of the governor?
Posted by j.west at September 16, 2005 06:57 AMHindu, Affirmative action (legacy based sole on who his dad was) is how Bush got into Yale.
Posted by goose1 at September 16, 2005 07:21 AMReconstruction efforts:
The US can muck up big civic projects no matter how they are funded or managed. Three examples:
After France gave the US the Statue of Liberty the US was responsible for building the base. It took years to raise the funds and ended up being partially paid for by pennies put into tins by school children.
Take a look at the Washington Monument in DC. There is a change in color half way up. The construction dragged on so long the matching marble was no longer available when it was resumed.
The WTC site. After four years only one building has been rebuilt (#7) and that was by the private developer that owns it. The squabbling by interest groups (and those with no standing but lots of opinions) has stalled everything else.
We can expect government sponsored boondoggles (like the bridge to nowhere in Alaska) to coexist happily beside privately managed ripoffs.
Enjoy!
Posted by robertdfeinman at September 16, 2005 07:27 AMI am no longer amazed that some people continue to be unable to discern the difference between the type, timeliness, and competency of the federal response to this disaster and don't understand that the role the federal gov't needs to play will change as time goes on. No they continue to think that it's the size of the federal response is all that matters. The same is true with the types of federal troops and the roles/skills/ duties/equipment these troops will perform and need. That has certainly drastically changed from immediately during and 1 week after the hurricane hit as opposed to 3 weeks later. But I know, most Bush apologists don't understand and certainly can't do nuance. It's obvious by their idiotic statements once again here today. Yes, why give me more people with guns now(or send the ones I didn't get 3 weeks ago when I really needed them)when what I really need at this stage are more people with bulldozers, hammers & nails . It's the timely nuanced competency stupid.
Posted by emal at September 16, 2005 07:40 AMj.west - Mr. Josh Marshall's excellent point at TPM regarding this little trial balloon was that existing laws entirely enabled the federal government to act, had there been any one in charge with an iota of competence or good faith, and further that this is an all-too-typical attempt by this unbelievably corrupted administration to claim (a la the "Gorelick memo") that it was straitjacketed when it was not, merely incompetent and negligent, and that now it should be given all known powers in the universe sans any accountability etc. etc. I for one never argued that any laws should be broken, but rather doubted that was the problem at all, and now it's pretty clear that none needed to be - had there been the slightest serious intent to do the job they are supposed to do. (And I have no doubt that Governor Blanco and the DINO Mayor Nagin made mistakes, as anyone will under such circumstances, but when I talked to Sen. Landrieu's office on that terrible Thursday, Sept. 1, it was obvious that something very sleazy was going on with the administration. I will also point out that Blanco and Nagin govern a very poor area that like all states and local governments now bears greater weight from all the Bush tax cuts and thus is basically strapped. But no matter, this was and is being fought over the reconstruction rights anyway.)
Unless you are banking on your GOP achieving a permanent one-party system such as Japan or Mexico, I would think you would be concerned about the gross, opportunistic expansion of executive power under this administration, and especially if you were really a principled conservative or libertarian. (I didn't like it when Clinton did it either.) As a "racial liberal" in the 60's I was happy with the results of decisions by the Warren court but, knowing my own people as I did, feared that achieving these advances without popular legislation would provoke a vicious white backlash and eventually lead to Federalist Society-type judicial counterattacks on the historically-gained and invaluable progress of the New Deal. And it's clear now that I was right to fear that, 'cause here we are. For me the concentration of political power in this executive branch and the Soviet-style refusal of the GOP Congress in its temporary majority to police itself or even assert its traditional safeguard roles are very alarming developments.
As for "you liberals" - PC has nothing to do with it, my man (or woman). It simply makes your prejudices and bigotry blatantly apparent, as well as absurdly ignoring the proverbial self-examination and divisiveness of those loosely called liberals. But I doubt you care about showing good faith in argument - that's not why you're here.
Posted by jlb at September 16, 2005 07:42 AMj.west, your neverending support for Bush is astounding. You never give up, hoping that this limited, two-dimensional idiot, lost in a three dimensional world will somehow develope into something more than a shallow, incompetent man of limited mental abilities . When Gov. Blanco asked Bush before the hurricane ever hit for "all you've got," just what the hell do you think she ment? For Karl Rove to deliver the necessary forms she needed to sign?
Hate for Bush? Yes. A natural course of action in the face of years of vicious hatred from the right toward anyone who disagrees them them: Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Ingraham, religious zealots like Pat Robertson, etc. Remember Bush the great uniter: "your're either for us or against us?" He and the republicans have applied those words to every area of government. Well, guess what? I'm damned sure against him and them.
Posted by Hank at September 16, 2005 07:59 AMjlb,
I've read Josh Marshall's piece and found it carefully crafted evasion of the truth.
Nothing could be done in New Orleans without security, and without violating the law, Bush could not use federal assets to restore order.
Remember, I was the one warning of expanded federal powers and infringment on state autonomy. This is a response to the ignorance of the MSM selling the false theory that there is a straight line of command from local to state to federal.
Posted by j.west at September 16, 2005 08:04 AMOne other thing, j.west, you ought to send an email to the WH to have Cheney and Rove change the wardrobe on ther punk. The blue shirt with the sleeves rolled up, trying to identify that he's a blue-collar working guy, is wearing a litte thin. Even the rightwing extremists up in Idaho are starting to finally catch on.
Posted by Hank at September 16, 2005 08:08 AMj.west - I should add that I completely missed what sounds like your dispute with other commenters here, as I was rather preoccupied with the fate of my once and future home, and that's simply not my problem. In general, I think these supposed legal scruples of the adminstration are a red herring, that is, I seriously doubt anything like that is why they didn't act. Obscene after-the-fact opportunism aside, my sense is that FEMA had become the government equivalent of a cardboard security camera in a store, except for patronage when white Republican areas are affected or somehow can be slopped at the public trough. The key thing in this will be what Haley Barbour seems to be trying to hide somehow at Biloxi and Gulfport, possibly many, many dead white Republicans and some in areas where FEMA still hasn't reached. The mayor of Biloxi said that only 30% of the town had evacuated and that would leave 35,000 in a place almost totally flattened. In that dire case, I can imagine white Mississippians torn between rage and grief over losing friends and family who might have been saved and their loyalty to The Party.
Posted by jlb at September 16, 2005 08:14 AMshorter jwest:
I told you so. Go suck an egg libs especially that crafty, nuanced josh marshall.
j.west - Our comments crossed. I don't see anything carefully crafted about JMM's piece at all. Rather, it was dashed off with a rage that is very unusual for a Washington insider and for him in particular. Before seeing JMM's piece I had read quite enough on my own about the National Response Plan and other legal angles to be convinced that legalities were not the problem, except possibly in the tangential sense that the administration may have incompetent or ignorant lawyers as well as everyone else on board. And it defies credulity to think that this administration would allow a legal concern to prevent them from doing anything they really wanted to do, which unfortunately always means something that would benefit them and their backers. I don't know what arguments you made last week and don't care enough to consider offering justice to you by looking them up and seeing if you were maligned unfairly. It seems that we agree, at least abstractly, regarding the danger of a swollen executive branch. Checking-and-balancing that seems to me to be an almost mechanical or metabolic function that all people of good faith who value real freedom should welcome, particularly as they may someday need the rights of the minority themselves.
Posted by jlb at September 16, 2005 08:28 AMjlb, I have already show jwest to be wrong but he/she just ignores it and never backs up what he/she says.
Posted by Goose1 at September 16, 2005 08:41 AMGoose1 - I keep telling myself DO NOT ENGAGE, DO NOT ENGAGE, but too often forget. Thanks.
Posted by jlb at September 16, 2005 08:47 AMthe only reason west comes here is to make an ass out of himself..tired, pedantic, petty loser...
Posted by headxray at September 16, 2005 09:21 AMjlb,
j west made no arguments of value previously, but did expose its selfish and careless inner self, its bigotry and self righteousness. So you didn't miss anything but sociopathic rantings.
It thinks we, the left liberal socialist moderate centrist reasonable realistic blue dog democrat greens, want to use a big hammer to fix everything, but as any fool can tell you, you need a screwdriver and duct tape too.
That last week in August called for loading up the deuce and half's and driving them into the flooded areas, the isolated overpasses, fly all the choppers you could get to the Dome and COnvention Center, get all the river rescue teams possible and get to work. But now you need something else, and it ain't the cavalry, it's more like the SeaBee's and an involved citizenry.
But b&w simpletons in a full spectrum world can't quite grasp that concept.
Posted by Duckman GR at September 16, 2005 09:30 AM