Well, quite frankly Bush don't seem to care much about children in general. Look at the Bush kids. I bet he is a tyrant at home. I suspect at home he conducts his fatherhood role in much the same way he does the Country. It's either my way, or no way. There is no opinion other than his that has any validity. You cannot love and care for your children without being touched at the blight of other children of the world. In other words, Bush doesn't have the capacity for compassion, so why not a pesticide study on children?
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 01:17 AMAn after thought. Bush would have felt right at home in the Concentration Camps experimenting on children. Think that's harsh, well I don't.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 01:19 AMThat's "Bush doesn't seem..."
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 01:20 AMThe sad part of this story is that the public will never know what their dear leader and the EPA are doing, because no one will expose this inhuman treatment of the littlest among us. Can you imagine the public outcry? It might be enough to put the final nail in their collective coffins. May he burn in hell.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 01:30 AMYh, bt y'r srry y ddn't R-486 m bfr thy gt nt hs cltchs.
[Editor: ignore=off]gw bush has become irrelevent..he is a lame duck poor excuse for a human being..let alone a president..he has done harm to this country that will be felt for years...if you are still a fan..get some help because you need it
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 05:44 AMhe has no intellectual curiosity....he has no vision for the future..he has been a major major setback for this country at a time when a visonary strong leader was required..almost all his decisions have been wrong....he took a very complex set of problems and embarked on a crusade set forth in his born again mentality which helped him quit drinking and figured he could set the whle world straight as well...he is a vastly simple man....he needs to be nuetered
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 06:00 AMYour momma wishes the same thing about you, Benndito.
Posted by idiosynchronic at September 21, 2005 06:13 AMI read yesterday several reports of a man the FBI arrested for "wanting to assassinate" George Bush. Several thousand new FBI agents would be needed if everyone wanting Bush to disappear via various painful means were to be likewise investigated and arrested.
Posted by steve duncan at September 21, 2005 06:17 AMIn case you missed it, Arianna is back to the Plame case with a new suspect.
Now it's Bolton. It must be that Bush is so stupid, it's contageous. As the source of Plame's outing, Bolton felt he needed to visit her in the slammer to assure she wouldn't spill the beans.
To bolster her theory, she points to the fact that Bolton has not been brought before the grand jury. In citing the NY Times, she quotes:
"as a lawyer who does work for the New York Times put it: "The target of a grand jury investigation would not ordinarily be subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury."
Kind of goes against the logic of Rove being the villian, doesn't it?
When this is over, you'll see Valerie and Joe being led away in handcuffs.
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 06:27 AMHmmmm, Valerie & Joe in handcuffs? Methinks j. west likes a good jest. Either that or idiotic predictions serve as some sort of erotic stimulation for him................
Posted by steve duncan at September 21, 2005 06:30 AM"Yeah, bet you're sorry you didn't RU-486 em before they got into his clutches."
Benito, no I think your idea is better. Let them come into the world neglected and not wanted by a parent or parents. Then after they are abused physically and emotionally, let's throw them into a foster home and hope that they are not being abused there as well. Then move them around to several foster homes to broaden their life experiences. Then after those experiences, let's use them as experimental material, because after all, they are just kids know one wants. If there is a God Benito, I can assure you that anyone who harms the least of us will burn in hell. So, take your bs and shove it!
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 06:31 AMBenito needs to pull his head out of his Bush.
Posted by Hank at September 21, 2005 06:45 AMbendito loves fetuses and hates children, just like dear leader
Posted by at September 21, 2005 06:47 AMSteve, yeah, the thought police are out in force. I bet the FBI is pretty busy these days.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 06:48 AMseems to me the exemptions for the new epa rules include just about everybody...
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 06:56 AM"bendito loves fetuses and hates children, just like dear leader"
Anon, that is very typical of this group of people, i.e., Benito. Once a child is born, they are no longer needed as a political tool. However, they are great as experimental material for the EPA. All is not lost.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 06:58 AMJudith is really Cindy Sheehan.
Hey A, you betcha. I'll take that as a compliment.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 07:00 AMfor a republican..a persons right stops the moment they are born..because they might have to dig into their pocket..god forbid
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 07:01 AMI often wonder how these people sleep at night. There is truly evil in the hearts of some humans, and this is a perfect example.
Posted by Judith at September 21, 2005 07:11 AMJudith,
Think for a moment about "true evil".
If you were a truly evil person, and the target of your "evilness" was the black population of the U.S., how would you most effectively bring evil on this group?
Would you be the blatant KKK "look at me, I'm stupid" evil of cross burnings and lynchings or would a more effective plan be to ruin generations of blacks by creating a system of victim mentality and dependence?
If you were truly evil, would you deny education to black children or create a system that ignores the kids perpetually for benefit of incompetents with tenure?
If true evil was the goal, wouldn't it be better to instill a feeling of defeatism and inferiority among a whole race of people just to scare them into voting for your party?
No, I don't think liberals are evil. But I do believe that the product of their policies produces the same result.
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 07:35 AMNo, I don't think liberals are evil.
You have NO idea how refreshing it is to here that...
Posted by DukeRevolution at September 21, 2005 08:02 AMYou know, JWest, most blacks in the U.S. aren't poor. Many have benefited from anti-poverty programs and affirmative action programs and have actually made a decent life for themselves in this country.
Now, about those intimidation posses that visted black folks before the last election, you got some explaining to do on that one. Sorry, I just can't see anything but evil in that.
I don't think Bush is pure evil. I think he just doesn't want to have to deal with poverty. It's just not fun and it doesn't benefit his base - well, other than those Halliburton contracts.
Posted by ann at September 21, 2005 08:03 AMann,
The fact that most blacks in the U.S. aren't poor was something I knew, but apparently Willie Brown didn't when P.J. O'Rourke pointed it out on last week's "Real Time" program.
Since not one case of intimidation was proven in the last election, I'll let that comment pass.
I'm glad you don't think Bush is evil, but there sure are plenty here that do. His way of "dealing with poverty" is the same as mine, finally dump the stranglehold of the teachers union by requiring accountablity in education - providing the basis to avoid poverty.
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 08:20 AMwhat the fuck does that fraud in the white house know about accountability..or you for that matter..was he accountable when getting into the guard and shirking his duty to his country..was he accountable when every business ventured he was in tanked..and in one was an insider trader at harken..where he stole shareholder money and used it as a teeny weeny down payment to buy the texas rangers...stole public land and used taxpayer money to build a stadium....PULEASE!!!..don't talk about that fucking liars accountability..and yours for that matter...cause if you're with him you don't have any...he ought to be tried for treason and some day might be..you and yours have done enough harm to this country..and i'm sick of your fucking rationalizing bullshit...
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 08:32 AMI like to think about Bush as many conservatives do about homosexuals: love the sinner, hate the sin. But I don't know him, so I can't claim to truly love him.
His way of "dealing with poverty" is the same as mine, finally dump the stranglehold of the teachers union by requiring accountablity in education - providing the basis to avoid poverty.
Only if you are willing to fund education can this work. And as we've seen, Bush doesn't want to do that.
Also, I read far too many accounts of voter initimdation from sources that I trust to believe that it didn't happen. As for it not being proven, all I can say is that when the GOP is in charge of everything, and they don't want anyone to know what their dirty secrets are, they are very effective at throwing a veil over the truth.
Posted by ann at September 21, 2005 08:36 AMdennis,
Wound a little tight today?
Nice breathless rant, but what was the point?
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 08:39 AMaccountability...he doesn't have any..if he did he'd be hanging upside down by his ankles and shot full of holes...so would his followers..
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 08:44 AMann,
Fact is education funding has more than doubled under Bush.
http://www.house.gov/ed_workforce/issues/109th/education/funding/fundingmyths.htm
But just throwing money at the problem is not the answer. Washington D.C., with possibly the worst results of any major school system, spends in excess of $15,000/yr/student.
If this was given in a pure voucher, do you think it would be possible for a teacher to rent the appropriate space, provide desks, supplies, books etc., feed the kids two meals a day and keep the class size at 10?
It would be pretty easy for a teacher to do this and make $100,000 a year. Plus, if the teacher didn't produce results, the parent would simply hire another teacher.
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 09:00 AMjwets, given the partisan nature of that link it is rather, um, suspect. But let me ask, of that 15K/per student in DC, how is it spent?
From teachers I know in the Chicago Public School system, they have to spend all of their time prepping the kids to take the standardized tests so that they can qualify for the NCLB money. And I have to wonder at the massive amount of paperwork and statistics that schools must have to produce in order to qualify for the funding.
As for your voucher suggestion:
10 kids x 15k/year = 150,000
teacher salary = 100,000 (of you are amusing)
leaves 50K for the entire year for:
rent the appropriate space, provide desks, supplies, books etc., feed the kids two meals a day
Nope, don't see that as feasible.
Posted by ann at September 21, 2005 09:10 AMToon of the Day: $1 Billion Worth of Iraqi Accountability
Posted by jjoats at September 21, 2005 09:14 AMann..was jwets a typo or by design?
Posted by dennis at September 21, 2005 09:18 AMand as usual here comes j west to straighten out all us liberals and save us from ourselves..go fuck yourself west....asswipe....
Posted by headxray at September 21, 2005 09:19 AMann,
Let's break this down.
Rent - About $12,500/yr. (DC is expensive)
Books/Supplies - $10,000/yr.
2 meals/day - $12,500 (catered)
Furniture - $10,000
That leaves $5,000 for misc.
And let's say I'm wrong and it costs an additional $20,000 on top of that. So the teacher only makes $80,000 a year. Is that so bad?
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 09:24 AMjwest, I'd say you're being rather simplistic. Lots more costs involved in running a business than you've indicated. Infrastructure, if you will, accountant, registrar, career guidance, etc. Insurance.
What about phys ed? Art class? Music? I consider those vital elements of any education. There's no way in hell that one person can do all that and do it well.
And I pray to God that education does not go the way you want it to: ten kids in a "school." We'll be raising a generation of unsocialized boors.
Posted by ann at September 21, 2005 09:36 AMann,
Better to have "unsocialized boors" than uncivilized animals.
For simplicity, let's limit our scenario to K - 6, where the basis of education is formed. In later discussions, we can talk about 7 - 12, where enterprising groups of teachers band together to provide creative solutions to the problems you outline.
If your objection is primarily a lack of funds for the "extras", how about 12 kids per class?
In reality, I would prefer to see K-3 with limits of about 5 per class. I would also like for the teacher to keep these same 5 kids from kindergarden through 3rd grade.
A fresh look at the educational system with a stong emphasis on free market principles might find that the K-3 funding is $20,000/yr, 4-7 at $15,000/yr, with funding per year/pupil reduced as class size grows in the 8-12 grades.
Is the teacher's union sacrosanct that a liberal would be excommunicated for even discussing this option?
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 09:59 AMThat last line should have read:
Is the teacher's union so sacrosanct that a liberal would be excommunicated for even discussing this option?
Posted by j.west at September 21, 2005 10:02 AMSchools are a huge sinkhole of cash. I feel for the kids in the classroom who are getting shortchanged because of an inefficient government mess.
We could spend $1 Trillion on schools, and the results wouldn't change. It's a socioeconomic issue, not a funding issue.
Posted by muckdog at September 21, 2005 10:04 AMwest every time you write something you make a bigger ass out of yourself...
Posted by headxray at September 21, 2005 10:53 AMBut I do believe that the product of their policies produces the same result. Posted by j.west
When I see the Republican Party feast of the fruit of it Southern Strategy and embrace racist policies, I can only wonder and the degree of delusional ideas it engenders in people like you. Do you think that Ronald Reagan went to Philadelphia, Mississippi by chance? Do you think that every Republican candidate goes to Bob Jones University because it is NOT a symbol of Southern racism? Do you think that by not speaking before the NAACP as has every president since Hoover, Bush is NOT sending a message to his base? Do you think that, by his failure to attend James Byrd Jr.'s funeral, Bush was showing his concern for African-Americans? Because if you do, you are a bigger fool than you appear.
Liberal policies have strived to end segregation and the old phony "separate but equal" bull that was embraced by the Dixicrats and now the Republicans.
Kenney, Johnson, Carter, and Clinton are worked to end discrimination and segregation because that is the only way end the rural and urban ghettos that many African-Americans are consigned to. Those are areas of poverty and unemployment where the only thing for people is crime, drugs, and misery.
I'm glad you don't think Bush is evil, but there sure are plenty here that do. His way of "dealing with poverty" is the same as mine, finally dump the stranglehold of the teachers union by requiring accountablity in education - providing the basis to avoid poverty.
Posted by j.west
I can't see Bush's motives, only his actions; and his actions are not good. So far, his way of dealing with poverty has been to create more of it. Your vitriolic attack on teachers is typical Republican smear, unfounded and unwarranted. Teachers had been doing tremendous work for years, buying school supplies for their students when their districts haven't enough funding to supply them. Teachers have worked in the worst of conditions in ghettos in which schools are actually unsafe havens because Republicans only want "local funding" knowing full well that poor districts haven't the money. That is the Republican way of perpetuating poverty, discrimination, joblessness, and creating under-qualified workers.
We could spend $1 Trillion on schools, and the results wouldn't change. It's a socioeconomic issue...Posted by muckdog
That's bullshit, and vile racist bullshit.
West, your post doesn't deserve a comment.
Posted by Judith at September 22, 2005 04:15 PM