Here's what's really sad: A year ago, we could have withdrawn, and just left an Iraqi civil war. Now, when we leave, we leave an even worse Afghanistan.
Posted by dj moonbat at September 27, 2005 05:03 PMLet's look at what is going on in Iraq. An occupation, and an insurgency (whatever that means). A country ripped apart by both sides, each promising a wonderful future, and each delivering brutish death. Do Iraqis support either side? No. They want both to get the f*ck out of their country and let them live their lives in peace. Sane people loath war.
Unfortunately, both interlopers have ulterior motives which have absolutely nothing to do with Mr. and Mrs. Iraqs lives. And of course, we have the omnipresent nightmare of religion, once again the motivation behind countless deaths and untold suffering, all in God's name. If there is a God, she would forbid religion of any sort. No religion, get it?
Now that gasoline has been thrown into the Iraq conflagration, does the US walk away? As everyone knows, it is a Catch-22 situation, but as both options are unpalatable, America should simply look at the law of ‘diminishing returns’, and conclude that whatever we do, we are screwed, so we might as well get out now. Yes, it will result in a bloodbath and a theocratic state, but the key question is this: would the Iraqi people be any worse off than they are now. At the moment, it is considered lucky to go to work in the morning, come home at night, and not die in the attempt.
I have only one question for the supporters of the war. Has anyone bothered asking the people of Iraq if they mind their country being used as a test range? There is a great deal of talk about spreading freedom and democracy, and about spreading Islam as a few interpret it. But there is precious little said about the wishes of the people whose country currently resembles the surface of the moon.
Now, when we leave, we leave an even worse Afghanistan.
We are on the brink of a really nasty day.
Hope the greedheads are enjoying their filthy lucre.
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[Editor: ignore=off]So the Sheehites should be calling for the end of the brutal islamist occupation of portions of Iraq instead of railing against civilization.
See, Ms. Sheehan isn't responsible for the actions of the islamists, because they don't give a shit about her. She is--like all Americans--partially responsible for the actions that the country makes in her name. Actions like killing her son for no reason.
Posted by dj moonbat at September 27, 2005 05:53 PM"Actions like killing her son for no reason."
But her speaking fees will be huge!
http://www.speakingmatters.org
Yes, dear friends, Mother S is finally going to cash in on the death of her son (why not, she has already dishonored him).
Celebrity and fortune.....what a racket!
You, sir, are a profoundly distasteful dude.
Posted by dj moonbat at September 27, 2005 07:16 PM"You, sir, are a profoundly distasteful dude."
Assuming the comment was addressed in my general direction, I do say: kudos. Succinct, to the point, and a great line.
Posted by Bagley at September 27, 2005 07:27 PMThe bag's been cutting and pasting that comment for days. It must be one of those gen-u-ine talking points I hear tell about.
Posted by iamcoyote at September 27, 2005 07:32 PMTempus, excellent post.
"Yes, dear friends, Mother S is finally going to cash in on the death of her son (why not, she has already dishonored him)."
"Celebrity and fortune.....what a racket!"
You know Bagley, you absolutely amaze me. It is just fine with you that almost 2,000 Americans have died to line the pockets of Bush&Co, but God forbide that Ms. Sheehan makes money to further her agenda.
Greed and oil.....what a racket!
Posted by Judith at September 27, 2005 07:39 PMAh yes, Bagely, the troll from www.centcom.mil !
Judith your right, God forbid anybody making any money unless it's the bu$h cabal! When will one of these trolls explain to me what does bu$h do for them personally?
"The bag's been cutting and pasting that comment for days. It must be one of those gen-u-ine talking points I hear tell about."
Actually,no. The little factiod that Mother S is seeking profit on the grave of her son is not getting very much -- if any play -- on the rigt side of the b-sphere. I only post it here because I am sick and tired of the fraud.
Mother S has exhausted her 15 minutes of fame here in the US and will soon, courtesy of her -- for profit speaking engagements -- be bad mouthing the US overseas: guaranteed to endanger the sons and daughters (of other Mothers) serving in combat zones....yeah, tell me again how concerned she is for the soldiers. The woman is a fraud and will be responsible for the deaths of many service personnel.....congratulations, Cindy Sheehan. And many happy returns.
"... but God forbide that Ms. Sheehan makes money to further her agenda."
Agenda is what it is...and the money is a function of her son's sacrifice -- you find this admirable?
Posted by Bagley at September 27, 2005 07:54 PMbagley, why are you here? what pray tell is your point? This thread is not about you or the Ms.
Your attempt to change the topic is an old ploy. If you scroll down you will find a nice little thread about the Ms. Otherwise, could you please stay on topic? This one happens to be Al Quieda and Iraq.
You got anything on that Bagley?
Posted by dorita at September 27, 2005 08:03 PM"This one happens to be Al Quieda and Iraq....You got anything on that Bagley?"
Yeah, I do.
Al qaeda in Iraq is finding great comfort in the activities of Mother S. You do not find this to be germane to this particular thread?
Posted by Bagley at September 27, 2005 08:09 PMNope, Bagley. It is false to say that any activity of the Ms. has anything to do with the increased (over many months) of al "qaeda" in Iraq. Crawl back under the couch little mouse -- nothing we do here has anything to directly do with anything the way bush-spawned terrorists behave == oh except the fact that w laid the ground for it.
It's cheap to say it is the Ms., not w. But you are typical. Why am I not surprised?
wanker
"Mother S has exhausted her 15 minutes of fame"
You wish.
Posted by Judith at September 27, 2005 08:18 PM"Al qaeda in Iraq is finding great comfort in the activities of Mother S."
Al gaeda in Iraq is finding great comfort in the activities of Bush&Co.
Posted by Judith at September 27, 2005 08:24 PMIgnore Bagley. He's just looking for someone to blame for Jr.'s failures. It's the modus operandi of the GOP-they can't accept responsibility for anything.
Posted by Ga6thDem at September 27, 2005 08:32 PMWhat Bagley is forgetting is that the enemy actually find HIS/HER thoughts and musings more beneficial to their cause.
Everytime the government or military authority try to write Al Qaeda off or fabricate another lie, these jokers prove them wrong - literaly DEAD WRONG.
Nawwwwww Bagley...there is but ONE face that the Al Qaeda organization uses as toilet paper...one name above all names except Allah / Mohammed that they mention...and it ain't Cindy Sheehan!
Posted by Airborne Ranger at September 27, 2005 08:37 PMAl qaeda in Iraq is finding great comfort in the activities of Mother S.
No, al Qaeda is finding aid and comfort everytime Americans fill up the tank. We are effectivily funding both sides in the Iraqi war. Al Qaeda is engaged in a defensive jihad to eradicate infidels (namely Americans) out of moslem lands in general and Iraq in particular. This began before Sheehan and will continue regardless of Sheehan. Opposition to the war has no effect on the jihad, it began before the peace movement did and would exist even if the peace movement didn't. To blame the protestors for a lack of success in the war is to uncritically approve of the current administrations starting a war in a culture that they didn't understand and didn't take the time to learn about. We have plenty of middle eastern experts who warned that things would go this way.
BTW, the capturing of the al Zaqari operative today will change nothing just as the capturing of Saddam and other has changed nothing. Al Qaeda is a fluid orgaization and the prisoner has already been replaced.
Posted by rlp at September 27, 2005 08:51 PMGet real: AQ in Iraq does not give a dam shit about Mother S.
Posted by DaveA at September 27, 2005 10:56 PMSo Bagley, we all know you have a mouth on you. Where do you put your money? This is a time of sacrifice for the greater cause. Who is it you unabashedly support?
Ms. Sheehan had skin in the game and Bush had none. Whatever scratch she gets during her moment on the stage will hardly cover her costs going in. Bush, on the other hand, has nothing to lose.
Posted by obelus at September 28, 2005 12:48 AM“So the Sheehites should be calling for the end of the brutal islamist occupation of portions of Iraq instead of railing against civilization.”
So the Bushites should be calling for the end of the brutal christian occupation of portions of Iraq instead of railing (esp. rallying?) against civilization.
There, me think now sheer pap doth make sense.
Paz to all
stop abusing my friend bagley. he and i know that the real threat to civilization is secular humanism. and thanks once again, mister president!
Posted by osama at September 28, 2005 06:57 AMAl Qaeda, a CIA ISA creation of the 1980's is being conveniently used to further the corporate ambitions of multi-nationals. When they need a justification for military action, the term is invariably used to whip up the war frenzy.
With the Pentagon utilizing a several hundred billion dollar appropriation to plant false news stories internationally and domestically, how can anyone believe what appears in the corporate controlled news?
The recent discovery and capture of foriegners disguised as Mehdi militia by Iraqi police for running a checkpoint in Basra, and the ever changing explantion by British authorities, is instructive. According to eyewitness accounts, the car contained explosives and remote detonators, along with an anti-tank weapon and other munitions. Can you say agent provocateurs?
The exteme measures taken to recover these reported SAS agents in order to prevent local interrogation (a multi-tank demolition of the prison compound) is testament to the critical priority given to keeping their mission secret.
It doesn't take too much of a leap in logic to suppose that many of the terrorist attacks in Iraq are indeed carried out by coalition special ops for the purpose of breeding civil war. If there is peace in Iraq, there is no need for perpetual foreign occupation. If the foreign occupation were to end, there is no way to be sure that the expoitation of Iraq's resources will be controlled by western powers.
The whole point from the beginning was to destroy Iraq's soveriegn culture to allow for western dominated neo-colonial rule.
Posted by brisa at September 28, 2005 09:29 AM