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GEORGE W. BU$H
Bu$hCo
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A bit much? Not at all. The last nearly-five-years has been a bit much, in every sense of the word. Someone (can't remember who) once remarked that depression is the normal response to an oppressive situation that you can't change. I agreed, but also added anger. Short of actually chimpeaching the Preznit, there's little any of us can do except document the atrocities by blogging and organize for '06 and '08. So you'll have to forgive us if sometimes, our loathing for what is being done to our country and its people spills over into despicable acts of immature disrespect, like calling the Cheney administration "Bu$hCo." We sometimes misplace our Emily Post manuals after witnessing actual treason.
Whom, after all, would we be trying to impress by exercising rhetorical restraint? The trolls? For what purpose? As the late, great Hunter S. Thompson said in early 2002, "Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill "gooks". They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are racists and hate mongers among us-they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Fuck them."
Indeed.
Posted by Phenobarbarella at October 9, 2005 06:06 AMI was there last night and here's the link so to see for yourself DPO Virtual Summit>
Joe is terrific
One thing for sure, Joe Wilson did not back away from exposing and fighting this pResident or his Administration. When they decided to go after Mr. Wilson by exposing his Wife, they unleashed the anger of a man who was not, and is not, afraid of this WH or GWB. In my book, he is a hero and a loyal American who was willing to tell the truth about this War, knowing damn well there would be retribution. Democrats should learn a lesson from Joe Wilson.
Posted by Judith at October 9, 2005 06:51 AMGeorge W Bush and his den of thieves are every bit as much a cabal of political gangsters as Vladimir Illich and the Bolsheviks were in Russia, and Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists were in Germany.
It's also a lamentable irony of history that the Corporate Cabal of which the BushCo Gangsters are the surviving rump, got their start by funding Hitler and the Nazis -- in order to create a bulwark against the Soviet Union in particular and trade unions in general.
If BushCo had only been willing to pursue that agenda around the edges, instead of making it their central organizing principle, they might have achieved the hegemony they dreamed of. Instead, they now resemble the last days of the rats in the Fuhrer-Bunker.
Posted by ck at October 9, 2005 08:23 AMOoooh, you said "fuhrer-bunker." Watch it, or the politeness patrol will chastise you for being "a bit much."
Posted by Phenobarbarella at October 9, 2005 08:41 AMOoooh, you said "fuhrer-bunker." Watch it, or the politeness patrol will chastise you for being "a bit much."
Phenobarbarella
LOL! and I LOVED your first post, too. Don't worry, Pheno, we will win back the Senate and hopefully, the house, too, in 2006, and easily win back the WH in 08! (look at the internals of the polls) they are actually much better than the so called "approval numbers". Folks are sick of right wing reactionaries!
Posted by not a Pollyanna at October 9, 2005 08:52 AMCK, I agree with your post. By-the-way, welcome back.
Posted by Judith at October 9, 2005 09:51 AMWhat is it with the masochistic tendencies of liberals?
You look at polls and organize a circle jerk of self congratulatory bliss thinking the country has finally come around to your way of thinking.
Use Steve’s fine resources here at the site to look back at the comments during the last week of the ’04 and '06 elections. You’ll find a group of people ready to bet their houses on a big Kerry win, along with gains in the House and Senate – all based on the “polls”. Try to at least touch the edge of the “reality based community” and quit torturing yourselves with delusions of victory.
great HST quote, Phenobarb!
while HST by and large isn't a great role model, his most admirable trait was speaking Truth to Power, calling it as he saw it, and making no bones or apologies about his views...
which is infinitely superior to those whose views need to be wrapped in the Flag, or propped up by the Bible, who speak one way and act another--give me a half-crazy but honest iconoclast over a backstabbing hypocrite any day!
Posted by David W at October 9, 2005 10:26 AMWhat IS it with the inability of conservatards to tell what frickin' YEAR it is:
"Use Steve’s fine resources here at the site to look back at the comments during the last week of the ’04 and '06 elections."
Uh, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the last week of the 2006 elections are still a ways off. I guess that's what you get, though, from a combination of extreme stupidity and messianic certainty about the way the winds of history are blowing. A dangerous combination, j. west. Go splash some water on your face. Rinse and repeat, if necessary, until you remember that it's still 2005.
Posted by Phenobarbarella at October 9, 2005 10:29 AMDo y'all think Rove will be indicted?
Posted by Thomas at October 9, 2005 10:36 AMLet me ask for a ruling from the chair.
Is it just me? Could it be that my writing is so cryptic that the average person misinterprets everything I post?
Please read my post on the masochistic tendencies of liberal poll crunching and the response by Phenobarbarella. Should I fire my editors or chalk this one up to paint chips?
Posted by j.west at October 9, 2005 10:57 AMif joe wilson isn't indicted this week, i swear i will STFU.
Posted by the j west of our dreams at October 9, 2005 11:39 AMLooking forward to it! Seriously, dude....you gotta stop reading JimmyJeff's blog for your ideas on which way the Plame investigation's going to go.
Posted by Phenobarbarella at October 9, 2005 11:46 AMMy mentality, uncontrollable and wanton as always, whispered to me a scheme so magnificent and daring that I shrank from the very thought of what I was hearing. "Stop!" I cried imploringly to my god-like mind.
Posted by ignatius reilly at October 9, 2005 11:47 AMif joe wilson isn't indicted this week, i swear i will STFU.
Riiiight.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 9, 2005 11:51 AMnow if we can only get the real jwest to agree
Posted by benjoya at October 9, 2005 11:54 AMAllow me to express some confusion, though: I don't understand how the 'wingers thought that Joe Wilson saying nothing proved anything, and I don't understand how pessimist thinks that his speaking out proves anything either, except that Joe continues to be really pissed off, just like the rest of us.
However: anybody who thinks that Joe will be indicted--much less this week--must live near a smoothie shop that stocks peyote buttons.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 9, 2005 11:54 AMAs one of the many who read these posts but rarely contribute, I have to say this repartee is very informative and entertaining to read, and even seems largely civil. I'm glad there are intelligent folks accross the political spectrum in this community, it really adds some juice. Carry on!
Posted by kv at October 9, 2005 12:20 PMJust curious, but what exactly is it that people think Joe Wilson (or Valerie Plame, for that matter) could be indicted for? Has telling the truth become a crime in this country? Is speaking out against Bush and his administration considered criminal?
Posted by ann at October 9, 2005 12:25 PMI guess I don't read the Wrong-Wing press and blogs enough (i.e., at all).
What in the world could Fitzgerald, or anyone else, indict Ambassador Wilson for?
Posted by N in Seattle at October 9, 2005 12:39 PMkv, I agree, but if we could only get rid of West.
Ann, great question. It will be fun to see what the answer is.
Posted by Judith at October 9, 2005 12:56 PMDon’t you just hate it when people arrive late to a dinner party and you need to start a great story again just so they can catch up with the conversation?
Once again, this time with gusto.
Let us reason together.
Perhaps the answer lies elsewhere. Consider the following:
The saddest, most pathetic figures in Washington are ex-ambassadors to obscure countries who are associated with totally out of power political parties.
These throwaways tend to be “consultants” (read unemployed) and they desperately want to be “back in the game”.
Anyone who has been a marginal “B” list player who finds themselves eliminated from lists altogether, can think of nothing else than regaining their former status, or better yet, making the leap to the “A” list.
Multiply this desire by the ego quotient exemplified by Joseph Wilson.
Add to this formula a spouse of which little is known except:
She is a partisan democrat.
She apparently has a taste for the good life in foreign capitals.
She has enough seniority to be influential in decisions but junior enough to be held unaccountable.
And let us assume that everything started innocently enough with the CIA decision to send someone to Niger to inquire about the yellowcake story. Valerie, wishing to help her husband find some small role in the “game”, convinces her superiors to let Joe have the assignment (without pay).
Joe takes the trip and returns to tell the CIA (in an oral report) information that tends to bolster the Saddam/Yellowcake connection (according to the 9/11 commission).
Joe finds he is still cloaked in obscurity with no hope of rejoining the “game” while the current administration is in power.
Fast forwarded to 2003. WMDs are not found in Iraq and the Kerry campaign is centering their focus - not on domestic policy - but on “Bush lied” foreign policy.
Who emerges as a consultant to the Kerry camp? Our friend Joe.
Is it in the realm of possibility that some bargain, either explicit or implied, might have been struck? Is there someone in the Kerry organization who would intimate that if Joe were able, somehow, to generate a multimedia buzz that Bush was less than truthful in the lead up to the war in Iraq that maybe there would be a posting as ambassador to a country more in keeping with Joe’s talent – let’s say France.
What we may have is a crime of opportunity. By dismissing the “Valerie must have been psychic” defense, knowing that she and Joe did not plan this outcome from the day she mentioned him for the Niger trip, the rest of the scenario falls into place. If an active CIA employee conspired with others to influence the outcome of a presidential election, using classified documents and misrepresenting the positions and policies of the agency, then a serious crime has been committed.
Think about it. If Karl Rove is as guilty as the left makes him out to be, why then has no one made a move away from his side. If there was any culpability on Rove’s part this late in the controversy, “mavericks” in the party would be hedging their remarks – if not moving totally to the left – so as not to be on the wrong side when the truth came out.
The paranoia on the left about Machiavellian scenarios is well placed, as even some of the most reasoned writers on this blog have expressed a feeling that “something doesn’t smell right” about this whole affair. The only ones that knew for sure that they were innocent of any wrongdoing were the Bush administration. This would explain why, when faced with the option of appointing a special counsel, they went with it. It would also explain why John Ashcroft recused himself and a bulldog U.S. attorney was appointed who would follow every lead.
If, as the left believes, the Bush administration is corrupt why would they allow this investigation to begin – let alone continue?
The only reasonable explanation is that outing the criminals in this matter would benefit the current residents of the White House.
I see...the right wingers want to indict Valerie and Joe over a far-fetched fantasy of mythical conspiracy to influence the outcome of an election. Does the right wing believe in the Easter Bunny, too? Sheesh.
Posted by ann at October 9, 2005 01:25 PMignatius, stop bothering those nice people!
Posted by ignatius's mother at October 9, 2005 01:33 PMthe reverse vampires and the rand corporation are involved, as well!
Posted by milhouse van houten at October 9, 2005 01:35 PMJ West...
rotfl...you kill me...
Posted by Roy Batty at October 9, 2005 01:38 PMDon’t you just hate it when people arrive late to your commitment hearing and you need to relay the details of the fiendish plot that you alone have uncovered again just so they don't have rely on the word of the doctors and attendants?
Posted by jay west at October 9, 2005 01:38 PMHey, who keeps turning the channel back to the j.west show? That thing's been in reruns for the past 2 years; it gets boring after a while.
Posted by iamcoyote at October 9, 2005 01:42 PMHidden Agendas at The Left Coaster
For those of you who believe the authors of this blog are loyal liberals, think again. Who do you think they secretly hope will be indicted next week?
Joe and Valerie
Is it any surprise? Think the permutations through and you will see the truth. None of the authors have any great love for the Wilson’s. When they are handcuffed, word will spread like wildfire that this is the only blog on the web who discussed the correct scenario.
TLC will be the source of record on the web. Soto will be awash in ad revenues. Hell, he’ll probably get his own show on NPR, while dj and I get stuck doing some point/counterpoint remake on CNN. The instant wealth Steve gains will transform him from a crusader to a limousine liberal celebrity.
Once again, capitalism, materialism and good old “looking out for number one” win the day.
he’ll probably get his own show on NPR, while dj and I get stuck doing some point/counterpoint remake on CNN
of all your scenarios, this is the one closest to reality.
Posted by benjoya at October 9, 2005 01:51 PMthis is the only blog on the web who discussed the correct scenario
And in the rest of your favorite dream, Cameron Diaz is your girlfriend.
Posted by pessimist at October 9, 2005 02:23 PMOnce Rove or Libby are indicted. J west is gone, he won't be posting here anymore.
Posted by Goose1 at October 9, 2005 02:59 PMDon’t you just hate it when people arrive late to a dinner party and you need to start a great story again just so they can catch up with the conversation?
Actually, what I hate are condescending, rude and boorish commenters who go into a twit fit when someone asks a question.
Posted by ann at October 9, 2005 02:59 PMShe has enough seniority to be influential in decisions but junior enough to be held unaccountable.
This sentence alone renders your entire windy post not only worthless in terms of "reasoning," but actually not even worth spending the time to read. Seconds of my life would be ticking away by so doing. Seconds I could spend picking my toes, Tilex-ing the shower, reading old software manuals, or a hundred thousand other more worthwhile enterprises.
Posted by Phenobarbarella at October 9, 2005 03:01 PMann,
If that is how you took my lead in (which was suppose to be amusing)
to the reprint, you have a predisposition to hate all things conservative.
Let go of the hate. Judge people not on their skin color or political party, but on their character.
Sing with me now.... Kumbaya....Kumbaya...
Posted by j.west at October 9, 2005 03:11 PMIf that is how you took my lead in (which was suppose to be amusing)
to the reprint, you have a predisposition to hate all things conservative.
No, I have a predisposition to hate snotty, condescending remarks. You don't do nuance well, jwest.
Posted by ann at October 9, 2005 03:34 PMI suppose I should thank J. West for spelling out the "Plame and Wilson will be indicted" scenario so clearly. Finally, I understand how weak that theory really is.
Desperation and denial affect people in the strangest ways.
Posted by Passing Thru, Amused at October 9, 2005 03:35 PMMy, God, West. If what you allege is true, then Rove is not the politcal genius that everyone believes him to be - clearly he is out ranked by a Democrat - who is the masked Dem version of Karl Rove? Why has he not attempt further moves of sheer evil genius to unseat Bush?
Posted by Anon at October 9, 2005 04:22 PMHere is a similar take on Bush' Folly by Zbigniew Brzezinski American debacle
"An intense political hatred for America, Britain and Israel is drawing recruits for terrorism not only from the Middle East but as far away as Ethiopia, Morocco, Pakistan, Indonesia and even the Caribbean."
"Compounding such political dilemmas is the degradation of America's moral standing in the world. The country that has for decades stood tall in opposition to political repression, torture and other violations of human rights has been exposed as sanctioning practices that hardly qualify as respect for human dignity. Even more reprehensible is the fact that the shameful abuse and/or torture in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib was exposed not by an outraged administration but by the U.S. media. In response, the administration confined itself to punishing a few low-level perpetrators; none of the top civilian and military decision-makers in the Department of Defense and on the National Security Council who sanctioned "stress interrogations" (a.k.a. torture) were publicly disgraced, prosecuted or forced to resign. The administration's opposition to the International Criminal Court now seems quite self-serving."
you’ll find a group of people ready to bet their houses on a big Kerry win, along with gains in the House and Senate – all based on the “polls”. Try to at least touch the edge of the “reality based community” and quit torturing yourselves with delusions of victory. Posted by j.west
You exemplify an old quote of Stalin that shows the value of having a partisan supporter of Bush counting the votes
…. If Karl Rove is as guilty as the left makes him out to be, why then has no one made a move away from his side. … Posted by j.west
You are assuming there exist Republicans with integrity, an assumption not borne out by any empirical evidence.