Comments: Another Poll, Another Low Point - Fineman Says This Is The Beginning Of A Conservative Crack-Up

Arghhhh! My eyes!

Oh, I see, it's just a Halloween prank.

Posted by iamcoyote at October 12, 2005 04:34 PM

I will not pee my pants, I will not pee my pants, I will not pee my pants. - J. West

Posted by tempus at October 12, 2005 04:45 PM

Here is another example of the Bush regime's incompetence:
Bush fails to protect Americans, again
by Chris in Paris - 10/12/2005 10:03:00 AM
So what's the excuse this time? Despite being funded by Congress and ordered to deliver potassium iodide pills to Americans living within close proximity to nuclear power plants the Bush team has failed miserably to provide the pills by 2003. The pills are to be used in cases of nuclear emergency to help people avoid thyroid cancer.

This is one for the nuclear power moonbats to explain.

Posted by Mike at October 12, 2005 04:47 PM

ARGHHH! Get rid of that picture!! THE HORROR!

Posted by Alan S at October 12, 2005 04:55 PM

Democrats should already have been identifying America's real enemy: the neoconservatives. I guess though that blaming most of America's current problems on a group of fascist does not sell in a focus group. We can only hope that the neoconservatives really come out in the open in the 2006 election, but get ready for "9/11, 9/11, 9/11" 24/7 from those cretins.

Posted by Merlin1963 at October 12, 2005 04:58 PM

The word conservative needs to lose its positive appeal. Why Democrats won't say "neoconservative" everytime something goes wrong is beyond me. Even though most Americans in poll after poll say that they want a clean environment, access to healthcare and other progressive-liberal policies, they still think of themselves as either conservatives or at best moderates. With conservative policies imploding the word conservative needs a good tar and feathering. And it needs to start now in order to have an impact next year and beyond.

Posted by rlp at October 12, 2005 05:12 PM

The neocons could not have succeeded to the extent they have without the support and cooperation of the mainstream media. Those whores are still Public Enemy #1, IMHO....

Posted by global yokel at October 12, 2005 05:13 PM

"one step closer to getting out of Iraq". Then you think it's only a Bush thing. It is bigger that little Georgie, the big man who exercises with old ladies. We'll be out of Iraq when they kick us out, which could be any day, or never if it suits them. The Dream of the PNAC is just that , a flight of fancy by Corporate Oil Barons who know how to drill, and that's about all. The above Yokel post clearly states the truth, that Bush would have never gained power and retained power without the GOP Media. This whole house of cards falls now, the same way Nixon did....hubris, conceit, evaporation of common white man support (gas prices too high for the giant trucks Bush gave the tax cut for Bubba to buy) and irrefutable evidence of pure crime. Katrina tilted Humpty Dumpty, the ridiculous nomination of his mouthpiece Miers pushed it over the edge. Now, will a Democrat get the nerve to lead us out of this mess before the GOP Barons find a new frontman with a slick new line?

Posted by T2 at October 12, 2005 05:47 PM

rlp, I don't believe "conservative" is considered positive anymore, but I live in a blue state. Everyone I know is watching the news a little closer because they hear the economy is not as rosy as they thought, and they fear what their utility bills will be like this winter, and how they'll pay for xmas...and so on. Now they're being told they're the ones who'll be doing the conserving while the fatcats buy new homes, and they realize they're not any safer than they were 3 years ago. Add to that, I think there's been a disruption in the Republican Force; I don't think the minions are getting their usual steady supply of talking points and judging by the wackiness of the trolls lately, I'd say they're winging it without walking orders. Not too well, I might add. Lose message discipline, and you lose the message.

All this to say, I think we are seeing a disruption in the party, but I'm still going to be cautious about whether this is the breakup.

Posted by iamcoyote at October 12, 2005 05:50 PM

I just can't help commenting on Pat Robertson's comments today about GOP Congressmen that may vote against Miers (Bush's workout partner). Threat's actually, not comments. How may days before Pat threaten's to "Take Out" the GOPers who don't agree with him? You know, send a Special Ops team up to Capitol Hill and just, you know, take them out? How many weeks ago was it that the entire GOPer community was deriding that fool as ...well, a fool. Now he's back on the Bush Team. The Miers thing has shown, clearly and for all to see, the death clutch the NutReligious Right has on Rove/Bush/Cheney. If I was a GOPer with a moderate view, I'd be damned scared to keep these wacko's in power. I guess that is why the polls are diving for our Evangelical War President.

Posted by T2 at October 12, 2005 06:01 PM

Now and then we need to laugh. Enjoy!

One night, George W. Bush is tossing restlessly in his White House bed.
>
> He awakens to see George Washington standing by the foot of the bed. Bush
> asks him, "George, what's the best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Set an honest and honorable example, just as I did," Washington advises,
> and then fades away.
>
> The next night, Bush is astir again, and sees the ghost of Thomas
> Jefferson moving through the darkened bedroom. Bush calls out, "Tom,
> please! What is the best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Respect the Constitution, as I did," Jefferson advises, and dims from
> sight.
>
> The third night sleep still does not come for Bush. He awakens to see the
> ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush whispers, "Franklin, what is the
> best thing I can do to help the country?"
>
> "Help the less fortunate, just as I did," FDR replies and fades into the
> mist.
>
> Bush isn't sleeping well the fourth night when he sees another figure
> moving in the shadows. It is the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. Bush pleads,
> "Abe, what is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?"
>
> Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."

Posted by Judith at October 12, 2005 06:43 PM

I can't find any humor in our country's dire situation.

Posted by T2 at October 12, 2005 07:00 PM

RLP is right, the problem with the term "conservative" is that many people want to believe they are "conservative" when they really aren't.

First, they think "fiscally conservative," which means more efficient government - and who isn't for that?

Second, the conservatives have co-opted the liberal names, Clean Skies Initiative, No Child Left Behind, so people tend to believe that the conservatives care about the environment and education. Most people never actually read what the legislation actually says, they believe the label and what they hear on Fox.

And third, "conservative" has been associate with "winner" for a long time - so, "liberal" must be associated and who wants to associate themselves with the losers?

The connection needs to be made over and over and over that the current crop of conservatives and neo-conservatives are not what you think they are. They are fascists hiding behind the label of conservatism. They are not moderate. It has to be said over and over. The huge deficit, the huge increase in Federal Government employees, what Clean Skies really says, that No Child Left Behind actually means No Public Schools Left.

As the president said, "Sometimes you have to catapult the propaganda."

Posted by ann at October 12, 2005 07:01 PM

Watching Tweedy.....the witch called "vickie" Toenails repeatedly called Joe Wilson a "fool/idiot and everybody knows that" and Tweedy just said"yeah". Hey Vickie, we could see the fool clearly and it was wearing a red wig. Trying to shift espionage and traitor activity to the whisleblower and the victim only goes to show the desperate situation the WingNuts now find themselves in. Having to shove some broomrider out to defend them is pathetic.

Posted by T2 at October 12, 2005 07:09 PM

Come on T2, you just cannot lose your sense of humor. It's not healthy for the mind.

Posted by Judith at October 12, 2005 07:12 PM

The picture looks like an "America's Most Wanted" poster.

Posted by Judith at October 12, 2005 07:16 PM

Rip, I agree with your accessment of the word conservative. Let's attach "neoconservative" with words like hard, rigid, strict, doctrinal, dogmatic, bigoted, intolerant, narrow-minded and nonprogressive. I don't think most people would say "yeah, that's me."

Posted by Judith at October 12, 2005 07:33 PM

Judith, I can't laugh when GI's are getting killed in a war based on lies and conspiracy. It ain't funny to their mom's and dad's and it ain't funny to me. I laugh alot in daily life, but when it comes to this joke of a government, count me unfunny. Impeach Bush and Cheney and put Rice, Rove, Rummy and Powell on trial. And DeLay and Frist.

Posted by T2 at October 12, 2005 07:39 PM

Steve, do you actually understand what has happened in Iraq? A single Sunni party has withdrawn its opposition to the constitution. The other 19-20 parties are pissed as hell at them and probably command nearly all the popular Sunni support anyway. This was cooption of a relatively ineffective group, as compared to, say, the association of muslim scholars.

Posted by Sucklo at October 12, 2005 07:54 PM

iamcoyote,

Well, I guess we'll know if the word conservative still has the power next year when we see which commericals the focus group results lead the candidates to run. I'm just so tired of scumbags like Patrick McHenry calling themselves conservative and basically calling anyone who disagrees with them an unpatroitic traitor. I did some contract work in wsrern North Carolina and his commericals were the worst I've ever seen. But, he's considered a rising star among house Republicans right now.

I hope you're right about the machine being disabled but there's plenty of Rove wannabes chomping at the bit for their chance now that he is under fire. And, as my link notes, the college Republicans are turning out more of them every year. It's going to take years of sustained counter attacking the disable the machine that produced Rove, Abramoff, Norquist and the new faces that will be brought up to replace those discredited by the current scandals. The sooner the Democrats relize that their fighting a well funded nationwide political machine that isn't going to be knocked out by one or two bad elections the better.

I'm not saying that the situation is hopeless, far from it, but I don't believe in underestimating the other side. For example, back during the filibuster compromise, I urged avoiding a hopeless battle and compromising because I thought that the "gang of 14" solution was the best that could be done under those circumstances. I took a lot of criticism on this blog and elsewhere for being "gullable and soft." That wasn't true, I just don't believe in wasting rescorces on hopeless battles, which is what a judicial filibuster back last spring would have been. Today is different, they are reeling from their own failures and the pain Americans are feeling because of them and the time for verbal counter attack is now. Conservative needs to become the "c" word and this will take time to do but it should be started now while there is an opening. We just can't afford to underestimate the depth that the Republicans are in bed with globetrotting plutocrats whose loyalty to America ends where profet taking begins. Their scheming has put them in the mud, they need to be kept there for as long as possible.

This needs to happen not only for America, but so that the long dormant moderate, good government wing of the Republican party can gain control and reform their internal structure. In the long run, America needs two responsable parties who have differing, but honestly held visions of what is best. We don't have that now and the GOP needs a "buttkicking" everyday until they get there, and that will take some time.

Sorry for running so long, butI tried to cover a lot of ground with as few words as possible.

Posted by rlp at October 12, 2005 07:55 PM

So the neo-cons have given up on George. Makes sense...he's utterly incompetent and without vision. They should have known that.

So they blame the whole mess...everything possible...on George. But here's what I don't get: where do they do from here? And what is their power base?

They had the presidency, but he was too dense to cooperate. Do they find a way to push him out and let Cheney ascend to the throne? Is that the plan? Our economy is a shambles. Would Cheney want to even deal with that horrible mess?

Impeachment petitions have been floating around for months in liberal corners. Do the neo-cons then give credence to those petitions?

Posted by Deborah White at October 12, 2005 10:26 PM

the polls would indicate that only the lunatic fringe lunatics still are behind this president ...the people who voted for him in the last election now seem to know they were deceived...woe to the republican party in 2006..an impeachment of bush is a real possibility..manipulating evidence to start wars and commiting treason to hide it are big crimes..(bush and cheney had to know about plame) the entire leadership is under the spector of indictment...2008 is to long a time for the country to continue to suffer..time for these guys to go now

Posted by dennis at October 13, 2005 02:46 AM

I've always thought the neocons thought of Bush as their pawn, and I've had an uneasy feeling that they might literally "send him to see a play" (and I enjoyed Judith's humorous tale above) before this term is over. That way, Cheney would ascend and choose his successor. My further uneasy feeling is that they'll do it in late 2007 so all the memorials and sympathy can be in play for the election year with hopes that it (and Diebold) will overcome the dreadful economic and war news. I'm finding it really hard to be optimistic no matter how many misfortunes befall this crowd. And I used to believe the progressive candidate would win in every election. I guess the 2000 election has forever eroded my faith in the system.

Posted by Sagacity at October 13, 2005 11:59 AM

Every Democrat that gets a microphone in front of their mouths MUST say the same thing:

"Katrina showed that the conservative Republicans have destroyed the ability of the federal government to act effectively. That was the intentional goal of the conservative Republicans, and they have successfully accomplished it. If you want the federal government to be able to once again act effectively, citizens must vote the Republicans out of office".

Repeat ad infinitum.

Posted by euzoius at October 13, 2005 01:08 PM

Democrats have a long, long way to go to fill the void that is being left by the Bush Administration, but I'm very hopeful. I just can't believe what I'm see to some degree... how does one of the most effective political operations just fall apart so dramatically... it seems that right now they can't do anything right at all.

Great blog :).

Posted by Graham at October 13, 2005 04:16 PM

Sagacity, thanks. I thought it funny. I find humor is a great release when things getting me down.

Posted by Judith at October 13, 2005 09:25 PM

Sadly, leading Democrats (so-called liberals Hillary, Biden, Kerry, Obama, et al and ad nauseam) are all advocating the very Iraq policies you attribute to the trolls and hope the GOP runs on in upcoming elections, i.e., "that more troops and money are necessary in Iraq" and "that the only problem with our Iraq debacle has been execution, and not with the delusional policies themselves."

Posted by DaveH at October 14, 2005 08:10 AM
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