Could she pull a Gerry Ford and grab the brass ring without having to ever set foot on the carousel?
It would make sense that the first woman to hold the office of president would get there with out being elected. I still think there are to many people in this country unready for a female president for her to get elected in 2008 with out being either VP or POTUS before then.
Posted by snark at October 18, 2005 01:52 PMMan, that would be great. Can you imagine what would happen to the GOP coalition if they elevated a black spinstress (who may be in on the conspiracy, but that's not really that big a deal to your average Bubba GOP voter) to the VP slot?
All that "Southern Strategy," shot to hell.
Ain't gonna happen. I think they'd probably pick up the phone and call James Baker at the point it looks like Cheney has to go.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 01:55 PMNote to self: Pick up some popcorn tonight.
Posted by thunderhawk at October 18, 2005 01:56 PMIf Cheney bails out, do you think Pat Robertson would be available?
Posted by Chim-Chim at October 18, 2005 02:15 PMyes, this is all the evidence i need that wilson will be indicted!
Posted by jay west at October 18, 2005 02:17 PMIf worse comes to worse, Jeb. will leave Florida early and be appointed VP. Considering Cheney's poor health, that was the long term plan anyway, this just speeds it up by about two years.
Posted by rlp at October 18, 2005 02:20 PMIf worse comes to worse, Jeb. will leave Florida early and be appointed VP.
Dems would filibuster that nomination hearing in a heartbeat.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 02:25 PMor George could pull Miers SC nomination and make her VP, then nominate a hard right nut to SC to appease the Wingnut base.
Or if he's really a Uniter not a Divider, he could appoint Hillary to VP. Or,if Rove skates, he could be VP ! what a laugh he would have on us all!
Seriously, Condi "mushroom cloud" Rice is a liar and traitor of the first degree, so she would be a perfect fit in the Bush WH.
dj, wouldn't you think Bush would try it, though? Especially if he's calling the shots now?
Posted by iamcoyote at October 18, 2005 02:31 PMwe don't want the smoked salmon to come in the form of a mushroom omelet
Posted by condi at October 18, 2005 02:42 PMdj, wouldn't you think Bush would try it, though? Especially if he's calling the shots now?
Hey, I hope he does. Like I say, Dems would filibuster that nomination so fast G-Dub's head would spin.
The public would have no problem with it whatsoever, either. Even if Cheney resigns tomorrow (and it's not outside the realm of possibility), there would still be the specter of indictments draining all of BushCo's vitality. Plus, unlike with the judicial 'constitutional option,' where the 'advice and consent' text gave the GOP a tenuous claim to a right to override a filibuster, look at the text of the 25th Amendment:
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
There's no way that a president who's already as badly damaged as Bush, and who by then would have weathered indictments, could possibly muscle through a nominee as objectionable as Jeb!.
So by all means, I hope he tries. Hell, he's got political capital, and he's gonna spend it 'til every cent is gone.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 02:43 PMWith all this Fitz Fun going on, lets not forget the result of the lies Fitz is investigating. Namely Bush's Iraq War. The latest fake election results came in surprisingly like the Ohio results, where some precincts had more votes than voters... and, sadly, while we await with glee the indictment of those who lied us into the war, we are fast approaching the 2000 Dead GI mark.
Posted by T2 at October 18, 2005 02:48 PMWith all this Fitz Fun going on, lets not forget the result of the lies Fitz is investigating. Namely Bush's Iraq War.
Well, we can't stop the war, but those responsible for the campaign of lies may be going down, not just because of the Plame investigation, but because of Hadley's other activities--known as 'stovepiping'--before hostilities began:
Hannah is currently under investigation by U.S. authorities for his alleged activities in an intelligence program run by the controversial Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader, Ahmed Chalabi.According to a Newsweek article, a memo written for the Iraq National Congress (INC) raised questions regarding Cheney’s role in the build up to the war in Iraq. During the lead up to the war, Newsweek asserts, the INC was providing intelligence on the now discredited Iraqi WMD program through Hannah and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff.
Again, rawstory.com, kicking ass and taking names.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 02:58 PMOR, Bush could just pardon them all if indicted and continue on like nothing's happened. An imperial presidency indeed.
Posted by Dale at October 18, 2005 03:26 PMI could see Cheney resigning for "health problems". Who would be the real corporate president then? Some real outsider with no ties to Washington, like CO-Gov. Bill Owens? Or keep the cabal going and appoint Rummy.
Posted by bbtb at October 18, 2005 03:35 PMDems would filibuster that nomination hearing in a heartbeat.
Welcome to the nuclear Senate.
Posted by rlp at October 18, 2005 04:01 PMSo do you think if Cheney moves out of his VP home the public can finally find out what they bought when all that reconstruction was being done a few years ago? Was it for a nuclear bomb shelter?
Posted by Mary at October 18, 2005 05:05 PMSo do you think if Cheney moves out of his VP home the public can finally find out what they bought when all that reconstruction was being done a few years ago? Was it for a nuclear bomb shelter?
No, it was for the extensive costs of turning BigTime into a cybernetic organism so he no longer needed a beating heart.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 06:42 PMBy pinning Hannah to a wall and making him talk, Fitzgerald will also be able to get the goods on the relationship between Dick Cheney, Rummy’s Office of Special Plans, Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress, the use of tainted intelligence by the White House Iraq Group in selling the war, and John Bolton’s efforts to harass the United Nations IAEA away from undercutting the administration’s WMD claims.
Well, I'm enjoying this as much as the next moonbat, but these headier swoops of speculation leave me a little befuddled. I mean, Fitz has been given some latitude here, but he does have to investigate things that end up actually being crimes, doesn't he? Because as evil as the warping of intelligence and lying to the public was, I'm not sure it was actually illegal. Just anti-democratic and unethical. I mean, he's not doing oppo research on the Dem payroll after all, however much the Mehlmans of the world would like to paint it that way.
Posted by at October 18, 2005 07:23 PMWell, he does get an opportunity to demonstrate motive. Their motive was to cover up the bait-n-switch sales job behind the war.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 18, 2005 07:40 PMI can't see Dick Cheney resigning; he'd hang tough.
But if he did, I could easily see Bush naming Condi. Her main asset is that she's totally loyal to him, and that's what he values above all else. And I don't see a real basis for either party to object that much. There might even be more grumbling from the right than the left; while Condi carried out Bush's stupid foreign policy, she's also widely believed to be moderate on domestic issues, favor affirmative action, etc.
But she's the classic type I used to see in grad school: always the good student, able to give her profs back the answers they want, but unable to come up with anything original or to lead when no one is giving direction. Usually that's the type that leaves with a master's degree as a consolation prize; I don't know how she managed to get a doctorate, given her personality.
I can see libby and turd blossom resigning, but frankly I can't see cheney resigning, even if indicted. he's such a bulldog and fighter I find it hard to imagine that he would give up.. well, unless Bush and Card and the mob I mean the gang ganged up on him but I do find that scenerio hard to believe. it's all speculation now anyway.
people go on and on about how invaluable rove has been to bush which is true enough up to a point, but really, cheney has been the de facto president since day one I don't see how a man like that CAN be replaced, though the Bushivites may think that politically they have to replace him if he's charged with something more than in-indicted co-conspirator.
Posted by mjm72 at October 18, 2005 11:30 PMsorry typo there at the end, meant un-indicted co-conspirator.
Posted by mjm72 at October 18, 2005 11:32 PM