So did Antonio Nucera (chief of...weapons and technology transfers and WMD proliferation counterespionage...for Africa and the Middle East) know and possibly out Valerie Plame to hide Italy's involvement? Is there an international spin to PlameGate?
Posted by wfeather at October 26, 2005 07:07 AMI noticed that Billmon referred to your research when he flatly stated that there was only one set of Niger documents. So I do think I think your evidence is making a difference.
Posted by Mary at October 26, 2005 07:12 AMWfeather, no Nucera had nothing to do with Valerie Plame...
Mary, thanks for the note on Billmon - I just checked it out and noticed that he has changed his position on the Niger documents.
Posted by eriposte at October 26, 2005 07:31 AMWhat is interesting is the Hadley visit in sept 2002 9 months after cia and state told hadley to tell Ledeen and Franklin and Rhode to not meet with Ghobanifar and to disregard this disinfo. In june 2003 Rice was on TV lying thru her teeth that no one in her circles knew about the cia memo telling them to drop the niger claims. So now Hadley is NSA???? Shouldn't he be indicted?
Posted by emel at October 26, 2005 07:44 AMI remember a time when, in my youth, when the Democrat party didn't try to cobble together conspiracy theories at the drop of a hat. But nowadays, it's all they seem to do. Why did we lose Ohio? Because Diebold hacked the machines. Why did we lose in 2001? Because Florida was fixed.
Why did we go to Iraq? Because some secret cabal wanted to do something nefarious.
Please. We went to Iraq to free oppressed people. We have succeded and we wave won. It the Democrat party would stop harping on failure and instead talk about success, they would actuall win an election. maybe then I'd change my registration back to Democratr.
Posted by A Former Democrat at October 26, 2005 08:15 AM*lifts his head off the floor*
Indict the whole load of 'em. Bastards all! Including that dickweasel Joe Wilson!! And that traitor Gitzgerald!
*passes out again*
Posted by idiosynchronic at October 26, 2005 08:18 AMThat's pretty rich Former Dem...if what we have is success and winning I sure would hate to see what failure and losing looks like...
Posted by John B. at October 26, 2005 08:18 AM*from the floor*
Success is the freedom to blow up foreigners!
And to bugger a mule when you want!
Posted by idiosynchronic at October 26, 2005 08:23 AMi remember when republicans didn't kill 2,000 soldiers and compromise intelligence assets without batting an eye
Posted by at October 26, 2005 08:43 AMI remember, in my youth, when politicians were held accountable for their decisions. I remember when lying and deceit were not the norm. I remember when it would have been unthinkable that the President of this Country would be a criminal.
Here again is the mentality. Look at me, look at me, love me, pay attention to me, please.
Posted by Judith at October 26, 2005 08:55 AMYes, I had the same experience when I emailed Josh Marshall my (as it turns out now, correct) dKos diary from Jul 20, 2004, figuring out that the total of the Brits's "evidence" was most likely (1) the deliberate misrepresentation of 1999 visit by al-Zahawie that had nothing to do with uranium (and why), and (2) the forged documents. Josh basically ignored me.
Posted by dr z at October 26, 2005 08:56 AMI remember a time when, in my youth, when the Democrat party didn't try to cobble together conspiracy theories at the drop of a hat. But nowadays, it's all they seem to do. Why did we lose Ohio? Because Diebold hacked the machines. Why did we lose in 2001? Because Florida was fixed.
Why did we go to Iraq? Because some secret cabal wanted to do something nefarious.
Please. We went to Iraq to free oppressed people. We have succeded and we wave won. It the Democrat party would stop harping on failure and instead talk about success, they would actuall win an election. maybe then I'd change my registration back to Democratr.
Posted by A Former Democrat at October 26, 2005 08:15 AM
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A real tragedy is that your pathetic life cannot be exchanged for the life of one of our fine soldiers who comprise the 2000 dead. Or the grieveously wounded for that matter...it would be just if one of them could walk again while you were confined, limbless, to a wheelchair for the rest of your life.
You certainly deserve it. If I beleived in voodoo, I'd perform a ritual aimed at you.
You're fucking scum, a waste of oxygen.
Posted by God Of War at October 26, 2005 08:58 AMRemember all, he is a minority of 20%-23%. Why give him the time of day?
Posted by Judith at October 26, 2005 09:14 AMPlease don't feed the troll. You notice this alleged "former democrat" never comes back to answer any of the refutations of his insipid comments? He's benditto reformulated to make us change our minds about being "democrats." I don't think it's working too well for him.
Posted by ann at October 26, 2005 09:20 AMA Former Democrat or in your case, Shithead, "We went to Iraq to free oppressed people. We have succeeded and we have won."
Wasn't that the 6th, or was it the 7th, on the list of reasons why we went to Iraq!! If we have suceeded and won, then all our troops can come home, right?
When every troop comes home from Iraq safe and sound...when they can be with their families, hug their children, wives and mothers...when they don't have to look over their shoulder every minute in fear...when they can walk down the street without trepidation and anxiety...that is success!!
Former Democrat said
"Please. We went to Iraq to free oppressed people. We have succeded and we wave won. It the Democrat party would stop harping on failure and instead talk about success, they would actuall win an election. maybe then I'd change my registration back to Democratr."
???? What Kool-Aid have you been drinking ???
The official Bush spouted reason was WMD ....
of course when none were found it became
"to free oppressed people".
Can't you even remember recent history?
But wait the "whole war on terror" was to stop the terror. Has it?
Over half of the terrorists (of 911) were from Saudi Arabia
Why was Iraq attacked and not them?
Can you say money and oil?
Do not attempt to re-write recent history for your great leader,
He always was and still is a loser looking only out for himself.
eRiposte:
Make sure you check out the more complete translation at Nur al-Cubicle, including the second part.
Posted by emptywheel at October 26, 2005 09:56 AMRaw Story has some breaking news!
Posted by bbtb at October 26, 2005 10:00 AMFormer Democrat
Aren't we glad he is a ,"former," Democrat?!
Posted by Kathi at October 26, 2005 10:14 AMKathi, don't give him/her the attention.
Posted by Judith at October 26, 2005 11:45 AMcitizen spook just smacked down firedoglake for their coverage of the wilson "smear" lie
the left coaster was linked
fasinating new spin on the treasongate, a must read blog for those who want to understand in depth analysis of the laws involved with treasongate
Posted by spook fan at October 26, 2005 11:56 AMProsecutor in leak case seeks indictments against Rove, Libby, lawyers close to case say
Jason Leopold and John Byrne
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Prosecutor_in_leak_case_seeks_indictments_1026.html
Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald has asked the grand jury investigating the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson to indict Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and Bush’s Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, lawyers close to the investigation tell RAW STORY.
Fitzgerald has also asked the jury to indict Libby on a second charge: knowingly outing a covert operative, the lawyers said. They said the prosecutor believes that Libby violated a 1982 law that made it illegal to unmask an undercover CIA agent.
Libby’s attorney, Joseph A. Tate, did not return a call seeking comment.
Two other officials, who are not employees in the White House, are also expected to face indictments, the lawyers said.
The grand jury had not yet decided on whether to make indictments at the time this article was published. It appears more likely that the jury would hand down indictments of perjury and obstruction than a charge that Plame was outed illegally.
Those close to the investigation said Rove was offered a deal Tuesday to plead guilty to perjury for a reduced charge. Rove’s lawyer was told that Fitzgerald would drop an obstruction of justice charge if his client agreed not to contest allegations of perjury, they said.
Rove declined to plead guilty to the reduced charge, the sources said, indicating through his attorney Robert Luskin that he intended to fight the charges. A call placed to Luskin was not returned.
Those familiar with the case said that Libby did not inform Rove that Plame was covert. As a result, Rove may not be charged with a crime in leaking Plame’s identity, even though he spoke with reporters.
A Wall Street Journal report Wednesday suggests Fitzgerald's primary focus is Cheney's office. An L.A. Times story last week indicated that Libby mounted an "aggressive campaign" against Joseph Wilson, the husband of the outed CIA agent, who questioned the Administration's claims that Iraq sought to obtain uranium from Niger.
Richard Sale, a former UPI intelligence reporter, wrote on a blog Wednesday that two White House officials were likely to be indicted, citing federal law enforcement and senior intelligence officials. Sale was the first to finger Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin in the Israel-AIPAC espionage case.
Rove’s charges appear to stem from allegations that he lied to FBI investigators in 2003, the sources said. Perjury and obstruction charges leveled against Libby center around conflicting testimony to the grand jury, they added.
The lawyers said Fitzgerald needed more evidence to convince the grand jury that Plame was in fact an undercover agent. On Monday, he sent FBI agents to her residential neighborhood to obtain testimony from neighbors that they were unaware of Plame’s employment prior to her outing.
Evidence collected in these inquiries was aimed at convincing the jury that she was covert, the lawyers said. A Reuters story indicated that Plame’s neighbors were not aware that she was working at the agency.
Any indictments are expected to be handed down today or Thursday. It is unclear how much information Fitzgerald will make public when they are announced.
Added in revision: "The grand jury had not yet decided on whether to make indictments at the time this article was published. It appears more likely that the jury would hand down indictments of perjury and obstruction than a charge that Plame was outed illegally. "
bbtb, thanks for the heads up on the Raw Story article.
Posted by Judith at October 26, 2005 12:00 PMwhy would the italians want to forge the uraniam docs? what's in it for them?
Posted by dan at October 26, 2005 12:11 PMMore on indictments:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/25/AR2005102502037_pf.html
Posted by Judith at October 26, 2005 12:14 PMIs this the same Niger connection that is talked about when people say Michael Ladeen - with maybe some connection to Cheney - was somehow involved with some theft of official Niger stationary from their Rome Embassy in Jan 2001? Maybe 9/11 was just act 1?
i love how the internet really shows how interconnected life really is.
Posted by steve talbert at October 26, 2005 12:57 PMThe book pages "citizenspook" quotes in "TPOT", are off, mine are on pp.447, not pp.446.
Different edition?...or is this conveniently done, in case "citizenspook" is called to testify?
Posted by bbtb at October 26, 2005 01:48 PMI thought spook was an Art Bell sort of thing. That was one whacked article.
Posted by iamcoyote at October 26, 2005 02:01 PMThe use of the phrase "Democrat party" is a signal that A Former Democrat is likely not a former Democrat.
Better trolls, please.
Posted by s9 at October 26, 2005 02:02 PM"I remember a time when, in my youth, when the Democrat party didn't try to cobble together conspiracy theories at the drop of a hat... Why did we go to Iraq? Because some secret cabal wanted to do something nefarious."
Former Dem,
I think you'll find that's 'THE Cabal'. Don't forget the cap-c. And who are you calling a Democrat? ;)
Posted by Pat C at October 26, 2005 02:04 PMcitizenspook thinks bushco should be tried for treason and espionage act violations but he (she?) also makes a strong case that wilson and corn are in cahoots with busco
Cool. I loves me some indictments.
Posted by dj moonbat at October 26, 2005 03:17 PMI think you'll find that's 'THE Cabal'.
which is a phrase used by Col. Wilkerson (powell's chief of staff, and not a democrat, AFAIK)
Posted by benjoya at October 26, 2005 03:34 PMThe Italian article's timing is also interesting, following as it does a double blast from Wilkerson and Scowcroft and coming just before the indictments. Berlusconni controls the Italian media and the govt there surely knew all of this long ago. Why publish it now? The CIA must have cemented it's links with Sismi and gotten Berlusconni to let this info out now to help the Old Guard realists get rid of the neocons. The CIA wants Cheney's ass and they are going to get it.
This article is a loaded gun pointed right at Cheney since the Italians bypassed the CIA to get the bogus intel to the White House (OSP to WHIG?). Roberts had smothered the Senate investigation into forged documents, but the Italians have all that info and have now signaled that they will release it; Roberts is outflanked. Fitzgerald's indictments are bad enough, but they can hold this information - and their ability to link it to Cheney - over his head if he refuses to go. Between this and Scowcroft's words "I don't know Dick Cheney", he has to know he is a Dead VP Walking. I expect him to be offered a choice: resign or.....else. He'll resign.
Posted by at October 26, 2005 04:44 PMBoy you really told off the former democrat guy!!!! You must feel so proud!!!
I'm actually pleased about it because it shows me that you won't listen to reason. Which means that Republicans will continue to win elections and fill judgeships.
God of War, I don't know what happened to make you such an angry person, but you are not rational. I guess you'd probably think the same thing about any "fine" soldier who supports Bush and feels the same way that "A former Democrt" does.
Get some help man.
Posted by The Real Truth at October 26, 2005 05:47 PMGod of War, I don't know what happened to make you such an angry person
yeah, dude, get over it.
Posted by 2000 dead US military at October 26, 2005 06:08 PMGod of War, I don't know what happened to make you such an angry person
indeed. you don't see us whining, since you killed us.
Posted by 100,000 dead iraqis at October 26, 2005 06:09 PM"I'm actually pleased about it because it shows me that you won't listen to reason."
You're right, so go away.
Posted by at October 26, 2005 07:16 PMA little bit of elucidation here on what the carabinieri should be helpful here. They're just not cops, but more of a national police force, a mix of FBI, Federal Marshal and State Trooper rolled into one. We don't really have an equivalent here in the states.
Posted by yam at October 27, 2005 07:18 AM